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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/24/2023 2:21:36 PM

Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Imagine if we were to free ourselves from all the void years, bloated-contract-vets, garbage and simply start a true rebuild. Now imagine we hit on a good QB in the draft. Allowing one-to-two seasons for the rookie QB to achieve great play, that leaves us with three seasons where we'd have our QB and could have our pick of free agents and could even resign our best existing players into long-term deals. It's as good of a shot at a Super Bowl title as we could ever hope for. Or, I guess we could just keep running it back with Kirk and Co. Heck we might even win another wildcard game.

Yep, just admit we are doing a proper rebuild instead of an extended stab at mediocrity. We could have jump-started that process last year by tossing the bad contracts.

Not sure if there is a sure fire blue print on how to do it.

KC had Alex Smith(Kirk type) from 2013 to 2017 and averaged 11 wins but never made much noise in playoffs. Never really blew it up.

Lucked into Mahomes when Bears reached for Trubisky.

Could a Levis, Richardson or Hooker be our Mahomes to get us to another level?

Since star QBs rarely hit the open market, the blueprint suggests draft a QB as high as possible. Yeah the QB might not pan out, in which case you try again.

A suppose a generational defense can get you there, but good luck finding several generational defenders with HoF credentials like Ray Lewis plus impactful role players. Pretty rare.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/24/2023 2:42:03 PM

Bill Johanesen

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And drafting #23/24 is one result of mediocrity.

It shows you made the playoffs - big deal, 44% of teams make the playoffs.
It shows you were quickly bounced from the playoffs.
It shows you are highly unlikely to move into the top 5 of the draft.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/24/2023 3:13:47 PM

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I was sorry we didn't release Ham. I was surprised we extended him.

That was before I realized besides FB and ST Captain, he is also in charge of coin flip upmanship

https://twitter.com/adamweber/status/1626025014456713216

ham is 5'-11" and 250lbs...word is we're running more this season....

"If Ham ever needed a reminder to stay humble and well grounded, he has a tattoo on his right forearm. It’s from the Bible, Philippians 4:13: “I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength."

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/24/2023 3:51:27 PM

Chris Olson

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More thoughts about Hooker from a guy who covers the Vikings extensively. Not favorable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkBq7jo2H08

Also negative on Duggan whom some in here are clamoring for.

Also interesting that he is a Florida fan and clearly wants Richardson to excel, but rips on one of his biggest rival's QB in Hooker as merely a product of being in an ez/no read offense, downplaying his amazing stats

that said, the guy is really well spoken and insightful in many ways...a very enjoyable discussion

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/24/2023 4:08:19 PM

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ok, so in the standard sinusoidal graph of my Vikings optimism plot I gotta say I'm on the downward trend side of the wave. It didn't seem to long ago I was happily rising above center. We were dumping high priced contracts, not extending Cousins, talking about other QBs, getting Flores as our DC, etc. But since then we've added void years to Cousins (granted it's for the cap, but ugh), we've signed blocking TEs and extended Hamm (just when I thought we might see a modern offense with more WRs than TEs I have been crushed to another potential KAO variant or Zimmerball resurrection), we let Shelley get signed for cheap elsewhere (who's our CBs going to be?!?), we had lingering injuries crop up in our less than appealing FA class and also appear to be keeping Cook and Z (we don't need Cook and Z was hurt half the year and doesn't want to be here).

Maybe I'm just having a case of the Monday's on a Friday because it's been cold, grey, and windy today but the Ceaser scale is at a thumbs down and the rotten tomatoes rating is in the 40s. I don't know that we've boarded the Titanic but it sure feels like we're in an iceberg field without enough lifeboats. Assuming we don't trade out of the first round for another go in the Kenny's cream corn grab all then perhaps we can get a QBOTF project to help us get through the rest of winter lol.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/24/2023 4:40:55 PM

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Could a Levis, Richardson or Hooker be our Mahomes to get us to another level?

No, my layman's view has determined them all to be busts, based on highlight clips, and that the next Mahomes is probably Caleb Williams, move up in 2024 to get him, it you can.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/24/2023 4:42:47 PM

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Look at it this way everyone; each season we have to pay at least the CBA minimum in salaries, the money that we push into later years goes towards that minimum salary required. If you want to tank, I don’t think there’s much difference paying for the few prior years that we tried to make it happen, or overpaying younger players, just to meet the minimum CBA requirement.

Exactly, massive cap space only pays off if there are stars in the FA market and stars you can extend on your team.

I see the bears getting slighty better this year... but if Fields doesn't progress/stay healthy... that surplus will do very little for them this year.

Having enough cap space to make all the moves you want is key.
And I'd say we have NOT been there in quite a while.
But if Vikes would have had 100 mil this year... they wouldn't be going anywhere.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/24/2023 5:09:57 PM

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Imagine if we were to free ourselves from all the void years, bloated-contract-vets, garbage and simply start a true rebuild. Now imagine we hit on a good QB in the draft. Allowing one-to-two seasons for the rookie QB to achieve great play, that leaves us with three seasons where we'd have our QB and could have our pick of free agents and could even resign our best existing players into long-term deals. It's as good of a shot at a Super Bowl title as we could ever hope for. Or, I guess we could just keep running it back with Kirk and Co. Heck we might even win another wildcard game.

Yep, just admit we are doing a proper rebuild instead of an extended stab at mediocrity. We could have jump-started that process last year by tossing the bad contracts.

Not sure if there is a sure fire blue print on how to do it.

KC had Alex Smith(Kirk type) from 2013 to 2017 and averaged 11 wins but never made much noise in playoffs. Never really blew it up.

Lucked into Mahomes when Bears reached for Trubisky.

Could a Levis, Richardson or Hooker be our Mahomes to get us to another level?

If they didn't get Mahomes they would still have gotten Watson.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/24/2023 5:16:03 PM

David F.

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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Look at it this way everyone; each season we have to pay at least the CBA minimum in salaries, the money that we push into later years goes towards that minimum salary required. If you want to tank, I don’t think there’s much difference paying for the few prior years that we tried to make it happen, or overpaying younger players, just to meet the minimum CBA requirement.

Exactly, massive cap space only pays off if there are stars in the FA market and stars you can extend on your team.

I see the bears getting slighty better this year... but if Fields doesn't progress/stay healthy... that surplus will do very little for them this year.

Having enough cap space to make all the moves you want is key.
And I'd say we have NOT been there in quite a while.
But if Vikes would have had 100 mil this year... they wouldn't be going anywhere.

There doesn't need to be stars available just simply quality at a position of need from a player who fits your scheme. Bill Belicek said, "I'm trying to assemble a team not just acquire talent."

A team that has a qb on a rookie contract, few-to-none older vets on glory-bloated-contracts, and only a small amount of dead cap, is in position to make a real run should that qb happen to pan out. In fact, a team in that position could give second contracts to their most valuable players and even front-load the contracts to assure plenty of space in the future.

But to make that happen we need to part ways with an above average, big moment choker qb and GASP! - have a losing season. And our fans will have none of that because by golly they want to get a few extra hits of dopamine with some regular season wins and then just say shucksy darn we tried when we get bounced in round 1.

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I wouldn't give ANY qb $30-50+ mil unless that QB had won me a Super Bowl. Did you win a Super Bowl on your rookie deal? Yes? Great! Here's your hugenormous contract. F it let's just run victory laps and love life. No? Good luck. Next!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/24/2023 6:25:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Imagine if we were to free ourselves from all the void years, bloated-contract-vets, garbage and simply start a true rebuild. Now imagine we hit on a good QB in the draft. Allowing one-to-two seasons for the rookie QB to achieve great play, that leaves us with three seasons where we'd have our QB and could have our pick of free agents and could even resign our best existing players into long-term deals. It's as good of a shot at a Super Bowl title as we could ever hope for. Or, I guess we could just keep running it back with Kirk and Co. Heck we might even win another wildcard game.

Yep, just admit we are doing a proper rebuild instead of an extended stab at mediocrity. We could have jump-started that process last year by tossing the bad contracts.

Not sure if there is a sure fire blue print on how to do it.

KC had Alex Smith(Kirk type) from 2013 to 2017 and averaged 11 wins but never made much noise in playoffs. Never really blew it up.

Lucked into Mahomes when Bears reached for Trubisky.

Could a Levis, Richardson or Hooker be our Mahomes to get us to another level?

If they didn't get Mahomes they would still have gotten Watson.

Yeah. That was my point. You don't have to bottom out to take the next step.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/24/2023 6:48:51 PM

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I predict Fields will get hurt next season, and Chicago will once again have the 1st pick in the draft.

Then Chicago will shop Fields for picks, as they keep the pick to select Caleb Williams (unless Williams is injured, and misses much of his season).

Bookmark it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/25/2023 3:35:29 AM

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imo: the non qb players in the NFL are going to revolt during the next cba negotiations - the qb's are sucking up all the cap, and leaving too little left for the rest of the players...too many players are ending their NFL careers with too little money in the bank....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/25/2023 3:45:50 AM

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if a team tanks for a few years, and then misjudges on a top-pick rookie QB, it could 7-10 years before that team is a contender again...I'll take the try to 'win it all' every year team....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/25/2023 7:59:11 AM 1 votes

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In looking at the current depth chart on defense, I have us as one of the worst defenses in the league. From a talent standpoint, that's an awful defense.

Hope they can catch lightning in a bottle in the draft.

On top of that, has anyone looked at our current backups on offense? All I can says is, we better hope zero starters get hurt.

How many picks do we have?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/25/2023 10:19:36 AM

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imo: the non qb players in the NFL are going to revolt during the next cba negotiations - the qb's are sucking up all the cap, and leaving too little left for the rest of the players...too many players are ending their NFL careers with too little money in the bank....

Too little money in the bank ? Isn't the vet minimum for one year like million dollars?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/25/2023 10:52:35 AM

Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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imo: the non qb players in the NFL are going to revolt during the next cba negotiations - the qb's are sucking up all the cap, and leaving too little left for the rest of the players...too many players are ending their NFL careers with too little money in the bank....

Too little money in the bank ? Isn't the vet minimum for one year like million dollars?

After taxes and agent fees it's a slap in the face to anyone who barely made a roster.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/25/2023 10:52:38 AM

ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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imo: the non qb players in the NFL are going to revolt during the next cba negotiations - the qb's are sucking up all the cap, and leaving too little left for the rest of the players...too many players are ending their NFL careers with too little money in the bank....

Too little money in the bank ? Isn't the vet minimum for one year like million dollars?

yes, it is...see what I mean?....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/25/2023 11:06:33 AM

Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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imo: the non qb players in the NFL are going to revolt during the next cba negotiations - the qb's are sucking up all the cap, and leaving too little left for the rest of the players...too many players are ending their NFL careers with too little money in the bank....

Too little money in the bank ? Isn't the vet minimum for one year like million dollars?

yes, it is...see what I mean?....

Absolutely, one year's salary being the equivalent of a teacher working 20 years at $50K... although the teacher's payments are delayed. These 3rd stringers need to stand up and be heard.

Take for example our own Kenny Willekes. Dude's been toiling in the trenches for four years and has earned a measly $3 million. His substandard contracts have represented just 0.2% of the cap.

https://overthecap.com/player/kenny-willekes/8965

< Message edited by Bill Johanesen -- 3/25/2023 11:18:33 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/25/2023 11:13:16 AM

Bill Johanesen

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If only the NFL had a program to assist players who leave the game w/o much money. Like maybe help them get a four-year college degree, all expenses paid.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/25/2023 1:36:17 PM

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Imagine if we were to free ourselves from all the void years, bloated-contract-vets, garbage and simply start a true rebuild. Now imagine we hit on a good QB in the draft. Allowing one-to-two seasons for the rookie QB to achieve great play, that leaves us with three seasons where we'd have our QB and could have our pick of free agents and could even resign our best existing players into long-term deals. It's as good of a shot at a Super Bowl title as we could ever hope for. Or, I guess we could just keep running it back with Kirk and Co. Heck we might even win another wildcard game.

Yep, just admit we are doing a proper rebuild instead of an extended stab at mediocrity. We could have jump-started that process last year by tossing the bad contracts.

Not sure if there is a sure fire blue print on how to do it.

KC had Alex Smith(Kirk type) from 2013 to 2017 and averaged 11 wins but never made much noise in playoffs. Never really blew it up.

Lucked into Mahomes when Bears reached for Trubisky.

Could a Levis, Richardson or Hooker be our Mahomes to get us to another level?

If they didn't get Mahomes they would still have gotten Watson.

I've wanted a legit QB in the draft for a long time...
Getting Mahomes/Burrow is the ideal.

But I don't know that I agree gutting the team is the only way to win.

It conveniently ignores the Bucs/Rams who built really good teams with the ability to pounce on the chance to bring in the vet QB as the final piece.

The Vikes unfortunately chose Kirk as their "final piece".

It also ignores Kansas City who built a good team and then replaced their vet QB with a superstar rookie QB.
But didn't take the "we must tank" approach at all.

< Message edited by beo -- 3/25/2023 1:38:11 PM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/25/2023 1:51:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: David F.

Imagine if we were to free ourselves from all the void years, bloated-contract-vets, garbage and simply start a true rebuild. Now imagine we hit on a good QB in the draft. Allowing one-to-two seasons for the rookie QB to achieve great play, that leaves us with three seasons where we'd have our QB and could have our pick of free agents and could even resign our best existing players into long-term deals. It's as good of a shot at a Super Bowl title as we could ever hope for. Or, I guess we could just keep running it back with Kirk and Co. Heck we might even win another wildcard game.

Yep, just admit we are doing a proper rebuild instead of an extended stab at mediocrity. We could have jump-started that process last year by tossing the bad contracts.

Not sure if there is a sure fire blue print on how to do it.

KC had Alex Smith(Kirk type) from 2013 to 2017 and averaged 11 wins but never made much noise in playoffs. Never really blew it up.

Lucked into Mahomes when Bears reached for Trubisky.

Could a Levis, Richardson or Hooker be our Mahomes to get us to another level?

If they didn't get Mahomes they would still have gotten Watson.

I've wanted a legit QB in the draft for a long time...
Getting Mahomes/Burrow is the ideal.

But I don't know that I agree gutting the team is the only way to win.

It conveniently ignores the Bucs/Rams who built really good teams with the ability to pounce on the chance to bring in the vet QB as the final piece.

The Vikes unfortunately chose Kirk as their "final piece".

It also ignores Kansas City who built a good team and then replaced their vet QB with a superstar rookie QB.
But didn't take the "we must tank" approach at all.

Seems like we tried that one time.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/25/2023 3:02:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Imagine if we were to free ourselves from all the void years, bloated-contract-vets, garbage and simply start a true rebuild. Now imagine we hit on a good QB in the draft. Allowing one-to-two seasons for the rookie QB to achieve great play, that leaves us with three seasons where we'd have our QB and could have our pick of free agents and could even resign our best existing players into long-term deals. It's as good of a shot at a Super Bowl title as we could ever hope for. Or, I guess we could just keep running it back with Kirk and Co. Heck we might even win another wildcard game.

Yep, just admit we are doing a proper rebuild instead of an extended stab at mediocrity. We could have jump-started that process last year by tossing the bad contracts.

Not sure if there is a sure fire blue print on how to do it.

KC had Alex Smith(Kirk type) from 2013 to 2017 and averaged 11 wins but never made much noise in playoffs. Never really blew it up.

Lucked into Mahomes when Bears reached for Trubisky.

Could a Levis, Richardson or Hooker be our Mahomes to get us to another level?

If they didn't get Mahomes they would still have gotten Watson.

I've wanted a legit QB in the draft for a long time...
Getting Mahomes/Burrow is the ideal.

But I don't know that I agree gutting the team is the only way to win.

It conveniently ignores the Bucs/Rams who built really good teams with the ability to pounce on the chance to bring in the vet QB as the final piece.

The Vikes unfortunately chose Kirk as their "final piece".

It also ignores Kansas City who built a good team and then replaced their vet QB with a superstar rookie QB.
But didn't take the "we must tank" approach at all.

Not advocating for tanking. My plan was to go only with a qb on a rookie deal, little to none vets on huge, bloated, but-the-fans-love-this-guy contracts, little to none dead money. Build with youth and even front load your young stars’ 2nd contracts when they come up. BUILD A GOOD TEAM ALL AROUND so that when/if you hit your qb you’re in the optimal position to go all in at that time.

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I wouldn't give ANY qb $30-50+ mil unless that QB had won me a Super Bowl. Did you win a Super Bowl on your rookie deal? Yes? Great! Here's your hugenormous contract. F it let's just run victory laps and love life. No? Good luck. Next!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/25/2023 7:46:43 PM

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Imagine if we were to free ourselves from all the void years, bloated-contract-vets, garbage and simply start a true rebuild. Now imagine we hit on a good QB in the draft. Allowing one-to-two seasons for the rookie QB to achieve great play, that leaves us with three seasons where we'd have our QB and could have our pick of free agents and could even resign our best existing players into long-term deals. It's as good of a shot at a Super Bowl title as we could ever hope for. Or, I guess we could just keep running it back with Kirk and Co. Heck we might even win another wildcard game.

Yep, just admit we are doing a proper rebuild instead of an extended stab at mediocrity. We could have jump-started that process last year by tossing the bad contracts.

Not sure if there is a sure fire blue print on how to do it.

KC had Alex Smith(Kirk type) from 2013 to 2017 and averaged 11 wins but never made much noise in playoffs. Never really blew it up.

Lucked into Mahomes when Bears reached for Trubisky.

Could a Levis, Richardson or Hooker be our Mahomes to get us to another level?

If they didn't get Mahomes they would still have gotten Watson.

I've wanted a legit QB in the draft for a long time...
Getting Mahomes/Burrow is the ideal.

But I don't know that I agree gutting the team is the only way to win.

It conveniently ignores the Bucs/Rams who built really good teams with the ability to pounce on the chance to bring in the vet QB as the final piece.

The Vikes unfortunately chose Kirk as their "final piece".

It also ignores Kansas City who built a good team and then replaced their vet QB with a superstar rookie QB.
But didn't take the "we must tank" approach at all.

Not advocating for tanking. My plan was to go only with a qb on a rookie deal, little to none vets on huge, bloated, but-the-fans-love-this-guy contracts, little to none dead money. Build with youth and even front load your young stars’ 2nd contracts when they come up. BUILD A GOOD TEAM ALL AROUND so that when/if you hit your qb you’re in the optimal position to go all in at that time.

If we do this kind of approach and end up with top 10 pick; we may be able to do something similar to what Carolina did this year and trade up into the top 3.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/26/2023 2:50:37 AM

ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Imagine if we were to free ourselves from all the void years, bloated-contract-vets, garbage and simply start a true rebuild. Now imagine we hit on a good QB in the draft. Allowing one-to-two seasons for the rookie QB to achieve great play, that leaves us with three seasons where we'd have our QB and could have our pick of free agents and could even resign our best existing players into long-term deals. It's as good of a shot at a Super Bowl title as we could ever hope for. Or, I guess we could just keep running it back with Kirk and Co. Heck we might even win another wildcard game.

Yep, just admit we are doing a proper rebuild instead of an extended stab at mediocrity. We could have jump-started that process last year by tossing the bad contracts.

Not sure if there is a sure fire blue print on how to do it.

KC had Alex Smith(Kirk type) from 2013 to 2017 and averaged 11 wins but never made much noise in playoffs. Never really blew it up.

Lucked into Mahomes when Bears reached for Trubisky.

Could a Levis, Richardson or Hooker be our Mahomes to get us to another level?

If they didn't get Mahomes they would still have gotten Watson.

I've wanted a legit QB in the draft for a long time...
Getting Mahomes/Burrow is the ideal.

But I don't know that I agree gutting the team is the only way to win.

It conveniently ignores the Bucs/Rams who built really good teams with the ability to pounce on the chance to bring in the vet QB as the final piece.

The Vikes unfortunately chose Kirk as their "final piece".

It also ignores Kansas City who built a good team and then replaced their vet QB with a superstar rookie QB.
But didn't take the "we must tank" approach at all.

Not advocating for tanking. My plan was to go only with a qb on a rookie deal, little to none vets on huge, bloated, but-the-fans-love-this-guy contracts, little to none dead money. Build with youth and even front load your young stars’ 2nd contracts when they come up. BUILD A GOOD TEAM ALL AROUND so that when/if you hit your qb you’re in the optimal position to go all in at that time.

hell, give the ball to kyle sloter for the season - let everyone get that dude out of their system...or maybe he is the real thing....

five years as a professional football player - $1.4mm made in the NFL....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/26/2023 10:22:03 AM

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Imagine if we were to free ourselves from all the void years, bloated-contract-vets, garbage and simply start a true rebuild. Now imagine we hit on a good QB in the draft. Allowing one-to-two seasons for the rookie QB to achieve great play, that leaves us with three seasons where we'd have our QB and could have our pick of free agents and could even resign our best existing players into long-term deals. It's as good of a shot at a Super Bowl title as we could ever hope for. Or, I guess we could just keep running it back with Kirk and Co. Heck we might even win another wildcard game.

Yep, just admit we are doing a proper rebuild instead of an extended stab at mediocrity. We could have jump-started that process last year by tossing the bad contracts.

Not sure if there is a sure fire blue print on how to do it.

KC had Alex Smith(Kirk type) from 2013 to 2017 and averaged 11 wins but never made much noise in playoffs. Never really blew it up.

Lucked into Mahomes when Bears reached for Trubisky.

Could a Levis, Richardson or Hooker be our Mahomes to get us to another level?

If they didn't get Mahomes they would still have gotten Watson.

I've wanted a legit QB in the draft for a long time...
Getting Mahomes/Burrow is the ideal.

But I don't know that I agree gutting the team is the only way to win.

It conveniently ignores the Bucs/Rams who built really good teams with the ability to pounce on the chance to bring in the vet QB as the final piece.

The Vikes unfortunately chose Kirk as their "final piece".

It also ignores Kansas City who built a good team and then replaced their vet QB with a superstar rookie QB.
But didn't take the "we must tank" approach at all.

Not advocating for tanking. My plan was to go only with a qb on a rookie deal, little to none vets on huge, bloated, but-the-fans-love-this-guy contracts, little to none dead money. Build with youth and even front load your young stars’ 2nd contracts when they come up. BUILD A GOOD TEAM ALL AROUND so that when/if you hit your qb you’re in the optimal position to go all in at that time.

hell, give the ball to kyle sloter for the season - let everyone get that dude out of their system...or maybe he is the real thing....

five years as a professional football player - $1.4mm made in the NFL....

I looked up Sloter's stats, but he has no stats. No game logs. No situational stats. Nothing.

~$300K a year for basically bouncing around on practice squads isn't too shabby. I presume any possible CBA negotiations about more money will be predicated around players who are actually on an NFL roster. Even QBs