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How did Ponder even enter the equation?

Oh wait, I see how. Another case of 'ButWhatAbout'.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

How did Ponder even enter the equation?

Oh wait, I see how. Another case of 'ButWhatAbout'.

If you don't keep Kirk Cousins you automatically get Christian Ponder. Try to keep up.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

How did Ponder even enter the equation?

Oh wait, I see how. Another case of 'ButWhatAbout'.

If you don't keep Kirk Cousins you automatically get Christian Ponder. Try to keep up.

Oh yeah Championship QBs Ponder, Teddy, Sam, then Case....if you really want to keep up. Ponder was the start (forcing a QB decision). Then another force to Teddy.

I would love to see Hooker in the 2nd or the Purdue QB O'Connell in the mid rounds...natural passers that can move that don't seem forced.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

How did Ponder even enter the equation?

Oh wait, I see how. Another case of 'ButWhatAbout'.

If you don't keep Kirk Cousins you automatically get Christian Ponder. Try to keep up.

Oh yeah Championship QBs Ponder, Teddy, Sam, then Case....if you really want to keep up. Ponder was the start (forcing a QB decision). Then another force to Teddy.

I would love to see Hooker in the 2nd or the Purdue QB O'Connell in the mid rounds...natural passers that can move that don't seem forced.

You can just as well lump Kirk in with the others in my opinion Only we didn't hand out fully guaranteed god-tier contracts to the others.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

How did Ponder even enter the equation?

Oh wait, I see how. Another case of 'ButWhatAbout'.

If you don't keep Kirk Cousins you automatically get Christian Ponder. Try to keep up.

Oh yeah Championship QBs Ponder, Teddy, Sam, then Case....if you really want to keep up. Ponder was the start (forcing a QB decision). Then another force to Teddy.

I would love to see Hooker in the 2nd or the Purdue QB O'Connell in the mid rounds...natural passers that can move that don't seem forced.

You can just as well lump Kirk in with the others in my opinion Only we didn't hand out fully guaranteed god-tier contracts to the others.

How many games has he missed? Also look at Dante's career record in comparasion. Kirk isn't the greatest QB ever but it wasn't a bad signing when you take into account the QB injuries we had....

Kirk is our 2nd or 3rd best qb in history...him and Tommy.

You can keep saying QB contracts but that is what the market is and was. Jets offered him more than we did and Denver a little less.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

How did Ponder even enter the equation?

Oh wait, I see how. Another case of 'ButWhatAbout'.

If you don't keep Kirk Cousins you automatically get Christian Ponder. Try to keep up.

Oh yeah Championship QBs Ponder, Teddy, Sam, then Case....if you really want to keep up. Ponder was the start (forcing a QB decision). Then another force to Teddy.

I would love to see Hooker in the 2nd or the Purdue QB O'Connell in the mid rounds...natural passers that can move that don't seem forced.

You can just as well lump Kirk in with the others in my opinion Only we didn't hand out fully guaranteed god-tier contracts to the others.

How many games has he missed? Also look at Dante's career record in comparasion. Kirk isn't the greatest QB ever but it wasn't a bad signing when you take into account the QB injuries we had....

Kirk is our 2nd or 3rd best qb in history...him and Tommy.

You can keep saying QB contracts but that is what the market is and was. Jets offered him more than we did and Denver a little less.

My expectations for success go up as the contract goes up. I don't define success as durability, decent stats, or even comeback wins even though all those things can contribute to success. I define success as what we do in the playoffs. In a one-off scenario I'll listen to arguments about having a bad defense, a bad O-line, a bad call by a ref, etc... But over course of five seasons all those excuses become less relevant. Kirk won one playoff game and then shit his pants in the game that followed. All the other QBs you've mentioned so far (Case, Ponder, Teddy, Daunte, and Sam Bradford) have a combined playoff record of 3-4. Kirk is 1-3. You mocked these other QBs calling them "Championship QBs" and yet they've collectively been better in the playoffs than Kirk.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

How did Ponder even enter the equation?

Oh wait, I see how. Another case of 'ButWhatAbout'.

If you don't keep Kirk Cousins you automatically get Christian Ponder. Try to keep up.

Oh yeah Championship QBs Ponder, Teddy, Sam, then Case....if you really want to keep up. Ponder was the start (forcing a QB decision). Then another force to Teddy.

I would love to see Hooker in the 2nd or the Purdue QB O'Connell in the mid rounds...natural passers that can move that don't seem forced.

You can just as well lump Kirk in with the others in my opinion Only we didn't hand out fully guaranteed god-tier contracts to the others.

How many games has he missed? Also look at Dante's career record in comparasion. Kirk isn't the greatest QB ever but it wasn't a bad signing when you take into account the QB injuries we had....

Kirk is our 2nd or 3rd best qb in history...him and Tommy.

You can keep saying QB contracts but that is what the market is and was. Jets offered him more than we did and Denver a little less.

My expectations for success go up as the contract goes up. I don't define success as durability, decent stats, or even comeback wins even though all those things can contribute to success. I define success as what we do in the playoffs. In a one-off scenario I'll listen to arguments about having a bad defense, a bad O-line, a bad call by a ref, etc... But over course of five seasons all those excuses become less relevant. Kirk won one playoff game and then shit his pants in the game that followed. All the other QBs you've mentioned so far (Case, Ponder, Teddy, Daunte, and Sam Bradford) have a combined playoff record of 3-4. Kirk is 1-3. You mocked these other QBs calling them "Championship QBs" and yet they've collectively been better in the playoffs than Kirk.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

How did Ponder even enter the equation?

Oh wait, I see how. Another case of 'ButWhatAbout'.

If you don't keep Kirk Cousins you automatically get Christian Ponder. Try to keep up.

Oh yeah Championship QBs Ponder, Teddy, Sam, then Case....if you really want to keep up. Ponder was the start (forcing a QB decision). Then another force to Teddy.

I would love to see Hooker in the 2nd or the Purdue QB O'Connell in the mid rounds...natural passers that can move that don't seem forced.

You can just as well lump Kirk in with the others in my opinion Only we didn't hand out fully guaranteed god-tier contracts to the others.

How many games has he missed? Also look at Dante's career record in comparasion. Kirk isn't the greatest QB ever but it wasn't a bad signing when you take into account the QB injuries we had....

Kirk is our 2nd or 3rd best qb in history...him and Tommy.

You can keep saying QB contracts but that is what the market is and was. Jets offered him more than we did and Denver a little less.

My expectations for success go up as the contract goes up. I don't define success as durability, decent stats, or even comeback wins even though all those things can contribute to success. I define success as what we do in the playoffs. In a one-off scenario I'll listen to arguments about having a bad defense, a bad O-line, a bad call by a ref, etc... But over course of five seasons all those excuses become less relevant. Kirk won one playoff game and then shit his pants in the game that followed. All the other QBs you've mentioned so far (Case, Ponder, Teddy, Daunte, and Sam Bradford) have a combined playoff record of 3-4. Kirk is 1-3. You mocked these other QBs calling them "Championship QBs" and yet they've collectively been better in the playoffs than Kirk.

Nice job on that smackdown.

Ponder. Then deeper into the well with Daunte. We'll be into Warren Moon territory soon. Why not George Shaw.

Kirk 2nd or 3rd best ever, LMAO! Tarkenton, Kramer, Kapp, Culpepper, Brad Johnson... even Favre were way better. Kirk is around Wade Wilson territory, an easily forgotten never-was if it wasn't for the franchise being so stupid with his contracts.

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So forget the others. This is about KIRK COUSINS. One playoff win in 11 seasons.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

How did Ponder even enter the equation?

Oh wait, I see how. Another case of 'ButWhatAbout'.

If you don't keep Kirk Cousins you automatically get Christian Ponder. Try to keep up.

Oh yeah Championship QBs Ponder, Teddy, Sam, then Case....if you really want to keep up. Ponder was the start (forcing a QB decision). Then another force to Teddy.

I would love to see Hooker in the 2nd or the Purdue QB O'Connell in the mid rounds...natural passers that can move that don't seem forced.

You can just as well lump Kirk in with the others in my opinion Only we didn't hand out fully guaranteed god-tier contracts to the others.

How many games has he missed? Also look at Dante's career record in comparasion. Kirk isn't the greatest QB ever but it wasn't a bad signing when you take into account the QB injuries we had....

Kirk is our 2nd or 3rd best qb in history...him and Tommy.

You can keep saying QB contracts but that is what the market is and was. Jets offered him more than we did and Denver a little less.

My expectations for success go up as the contract goes up. I don't define success as durability, decent stats, or even comeback wins even though all those things can contribute to success. I define success as what we do in the playoffs. In a one-off scenario I'll listen to arguments about having a bad defense, a bad O-line, a bad call by a ref, etc... But over course of five seasons all those excuses become less relevant. Kirk won one playoff game and then shit his pants in the game that followed. All the other QBs you've mentioned so far (Case, Ponder, Teddy, Daunte, and Sam Bradford) have a combined playoff record of 3-4. Kirk is 1-3. You mocked these other QBs calling them "Championship QBs" and yet they've collectively been better in the playoffs than Kirk.

Collectively better Defenses and Offense talent around them. $$$ goes up every year. Maybe you may want to look at something else....% of cap this year is where you may want to look. The Vikings have had Pro Bowl talent surronding those QBs on defense and offense. Cutting and trading Kirk is going to fix that also?

The main reason given is winning a championship isn't it? Did those QBs win it after or before we acquired them?

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I also see a suggestion that I use % of cap for specifically this year. Just stop. Seriously. Through some dangerous and irresponsible accounting they managed to push $28 million of Kirk's cap figure into next year. That by no means, in any way, shape, or form, does not change the truth that his cost is $48 million for his play in 2023. $48 FREAKING MILLION! I don't really know where we can go from here.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

How did Ponder even enter the equation?

Oh wait, I see how. Another case of 'ButWhatAbout'.

If you don't keep Kirk Cousins you automatically get Christian Ponder. Try to keep up.

Oh yeah Championship QBs Ponder, Teddy, Sam, then Case....if you really want to keep up. Ponder was the start (forcing a QB decision). Then another force to Teddy.

I would love to see Hooker in the 2nd or the Purdue QB O'Connell in the mid rounds...natural passers that can move that don't seem forced.

You can just as well lump Kirk in with the others in my opinion Only we didn't hand out fully guaranteed god-tier contracts to the others.

How many games has he missed? Also look at Dante's career record in comparasion. Kirk isn't the greatest QB ever but it wasn't a bad signing when you take into account the QB injuries we had....

Kirk is our 2nd or 3rd best qb in history...him and Tommy.

You can keep saying QB contracts but that is what the market is and was. Jets offered him more than we did and Denver a little less.

My expectations for success go up as the contract goes up. I don't define success as durability, decent stats, or even comeback wins even though all those things can contribute to success. I define success as what we do in the playoffs. In a one-off scenario I'll listen to arguments about having a bad defense, a bad O-line, a bad call by a ref, etc... But over course of five seasons all those excuses become less relevant. Kirk won one playoff game and then shit his pants in the game that followed. All the other QBs you've mentioned so far (Case, Ponder, Teddy, Daunte, and Sam Bradford) have a combined playoff record of 3-4. Kirk is 1-3. You mocked these other QBs calling them "Championship QBs" and yet they've collectively been better in the playoffs than Kirk.

Collectively better Defenses and Offense talent around them. $$$ goes up every year. Maybe you may want to look at something else....% of cap this year is where you may want to look. The Vikings have had Pro Bowl talent surronding those QBs on defense and offense. Cutting and trading Kirk is going to fix that also?

The main reason given is winning a championship isn't it? Did those QBs win it after or before we acquired them?

Here's a link to the 2019 Pro Bowl roster. Spoiler alert: There are Vikings on both offense and defense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Pro_Bowl

2018 Pro Bowl roster. Spoiler alert: Vikings all over the place, offense and defense represented.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Pro_Bowl

2020 Pro Bowl roster. You guessed it - Vikings on O and D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Pro_Bowl

2021 Pro Bowl roster: You got me on this one. Only two Vikings and they are both offense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Pro_Bowl

2022 Pro Bowl roster: 5 Pro Bowlers! Again O and D both represented.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Pro_Bowl

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

How did Ponder even enter the equation?

Oh wait, I see how. Another case of 'ButWhatAbout'.

If you don't keep Kirk Cousins you automatically get Christian Ponder. Try to keep up.

Oh yeah Championship QBs Ponder, Teddy, Sam, then Case....if you really want to keep up. Ponder was the start (forcing a QB decision). Then another force to Teddy.

I would love to see Hooker in the 2nd or the Purdue QB O'Connell in the mid rounds...natural passers that can move that don't seem forced.

You can just as well lump Kirk in with the others in my opinion Only we didn't hand out fully guaranteed god-tier contracts to the others.

How many games has he missed? Also look at Dante's career record in comparasion. Kirk isn't the greatest QB ever but it wasn't a bad signing when you take into account the QB injuries we had....

Kirk is our 2nd or 3rd best qb in history...him and Tommy.

You can keep saying QB contracts but that is what the market is and was. Jets offered him more than we did and Denver a little less.

My expectations for success go up as the contract goes up. I don't define success as durability, decent stats, or even comeback wins even though all those things can contribute to success. I define success as what we do in the playoffs. In a one-off scenario I'll listen to arguments about having a bad defense, a bad O-line, a bad call by a ref, etc... But over course of five seasons all those excuses become less relevant. Kirk won one playoff game and then shit his pants in the game that followed. All the other QBs you've mentioned so far (Case, Ponder, Teddy, Daunte, and Sam Bradford) have a combined playoff record of 3-4. Kirk is 1-3. You mocked these other QBs calling them "Championship QBs" and yet they've collectively been better in the playoffs than Kirk.

Collectively better Defenses and Offense talent around them. $$$ goes up every year. Maybe you may want to look at something else....% of cap this year is where you may want to look. The Vikings have had Pro Bowl talent surronding those QBs on defense and offense. Cutting and trading Kirk is going to fix that also?

The main reason given is winning a championship isn't it? Did those QBs win it after or before we acquired them?

Here's a link to the 2019 Pro Bowl roster. Spoiler alert: There are Vikings on both offense and defense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Pro_Bowl

2018 Pro Bowl roster. Spoiler alert: Vikings all over the place, offense and defense represented.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Pro_Bowl

2020 Pro Bowl roster. You guessed it - Vikings on O and D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Pro_Bowl

2021 Pro Bowl roster: You got me on this one. Only two Vikings and they are both offense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Pro_Bowl

2022 Pro Bowl roster: 5 Pro Bowlers! Again O and D both represented.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Pro_Bowl

How many Pro Bowlers for KC? How many for Buffalo...remember in 98 when we had 9? You think this team is setup to win it all and I have read suggestions about getting rid of 2 of their Pro Bowlers.....Kirk and JJ. Great plans....

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

How did Ponder even enter the equation?

Oh wait, I see how. Another case of 'ButWhatAbout'.

If you don't keep Kirk Cousins you automatically get Christian Ponder. Try to keep up.

Oh yeah Championship QBs Ponder, Teddy, Sam, then Case....if you really want to keep up. Ponder was the start (forcing a QB decision). Then another force to Teddy.

I would love to see Hooker in the 2nd or the Purdue QB O'Connell in the mid rounds...natural passers that can move that don't seem forced.

You can just as well lump Kirk in with the others in my opinion Only we didn't hand out fully guaranteed god-tier contracts to the others.

How many games has he missed? Also look at Dante's career record in comparasion. Kirk isn't the greatest QB ever but it wasn't a bad signing when you take into account the QB injuries we had....

Kirk is our 2nd or 3rd best qb in history...him and Tommy.

You can keep saying QB contracts but that is what the market is and was. Jets offered him more than we did and Denver a little less.

My expectations for success go up as the contract goes up. I don't define success as durability, decent stats, or even comeback wins even though all those things can contribute to success. I define success as what we do in the playoffs. In a one-off scenario I'll listen to arguments about having a bad defense, a bad O-line, a bad call by a ref, etc... But over course of five seasons all those excuses become less relevant. Kirk won one playoff game and then shit his pants in the game that followed. All the other QBs you've mentioned so far (Case, Ponder, Teddy, Daunte, and Sam Bradford) have a combined playoff record of 3-4. Kirk is 1-3. You mocked these other QBs calling them "Championship QBs" and yet they've collectively been better in the playoffs than Kirk.

Collectively better Defenses and Offense talent around them. $$$ goes up every year. Maybe you may want to look at something else....% of cap this year is where you may want to look. The Vikings have had Pro Bowl talent surronding those QBs on defense and offense. Cutting and trading Kirk is going to fix that also?

The main reason given is winning a championship isn't it? Did those QBs win it after or before we acquired them?

Here's a link to the 2019 Pro Bowl roster. Spoiler alert: There are Vikings on both offense and defense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Pro_Bowl

2018 Pro Bowl roster. Spoiler alert: Vikings all over the place, offense and defense represented.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Pro_Bowl

2020 Pro Bowl roster. You guessed it - Vikings on O and D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Pro_Bowl

2021 Pro Bowl roster: You got me on this one. Only two Vikings and they are both offense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Pro_Bowl

2022 Pro Bowl roster: 5 Pro Bowlers! Again O and D both represented.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Pro_Bowl

How many Pro Bowlers for KC? How many for Buffalo...remember in 98 when we had 9? You think this team is setup to win it all and I have read suggestions about getting rid of 2 of their Pro Bowlers.....Kirk and JJ. Great plans....

About as good of ideas as trading AP and Moss in their prime.

Kirk is 9% of 2023 cap. Again you are looking in the wrong place.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

How did Ponder even enter the equation?

Oh wait, I see how. Another case of 'ButWhatAbout'.

If you don't keep Kirk Cousins you automatically get Christian Ponder. Try to keep up.

Oh yeah Championship QBs Ponder, Teddy, Sam, then Case....if you really want to keep up. Ponder was the start (forcing a QB decision). Then another force to Teddy.

I would love to see Hooker in the 2nd or the Purdue QB O'Connell in the mid rounds...natural passers that can move that don't seem forced.

You can just as well lump Kirk in with the others in my opinion Only we didn't hand out fully guaranteed god-tier contracts to the others.

How many games has he missed? Also look at Dante's career record in comparasion. Kirk isn't the greatest QB ever but it wasn't a bad signing when you take into account the QB injuries we had....

Kirk is our 2nd or 3rd best qb in history...him and Tommy.

You can keep saying QB contracts but that is what the market is and was. Jets offered him more than we did and Denver a little less.

My expectations for success go up as the contract goes up. I don't define success as durability, decent stats, or even comeback wins even though all those things can contribute to success. I define success as what we do in the playoffs. In a one-off scenario I'll listen to arguments about having a bad defense, a bad O-line, a bad call by a ref, etc... But over course of five seasons all those excuses become less relevant. Kirk won one playoff game and then shit his pants in the game that followed. All the other QBs you've mentioned so far (Case, Ponder, Teddy, Daunte, and Sam Bradford) have a combined playoff record of 3-4. Kirk is 1-3. You mocked these other QBs calling them "Championship QBs" and yet they've collectively been better in the playoffs than Kirk.

Collectively better Defenses and Offense talent around them. $$$ goes up every year. Maybe you may want to look at something else....% of cap this year is where you may want to look. The Vikings have had Pro Bowl talent surronding those QBs on defense and offense. Cutting and trading Kirk is going to fix that also?

The main reason given is winning a championship isn't it? Did those QBs win it after or before we acquired them?

Here's a link to the 2019 Pro Bowl roster. Spoiler alert: There are Vikings on both offense and defense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Pro_Bowl

2018 Pro Bowl roster. Spoiler alert: Vikings all over the place, offense and defense represented.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Pro_Bowl

2020 Pro Bowl roster. You guessed it - Vikings on O and D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Pro_Bowl

2021 Pro Bowl roster: You got me on this one. Only two Vikings and they are both offense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Pro_Bowl

2022 Pro Bowl roster: 5 Pro Bowlers! Again O and D both represented.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Pro_Bowl

How many Pro Bowlers for KC? How many for Buffalo...remember in 98 when we had 9? You think this team is setup to win it all and I have read suggestions about getting rid of 2 of their Pro Bowlers.....Kirk and JJ. Great plans....

Dude, I don't know. Look that crap up yourself. I've done enough of your homework for one day.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

How did Ponder even enter the equation?

Oh wait, I see how. Another case of 'ButWhatAbout'.

If you don't keep Kirk Cousins you automatically get Christian Ponder. Try to keep up.

Oh yeah Championship QBs Ponder, Teddy, Sam, then Case....if you really want to keep up. Ponder was the start (forcing a QB decision). Then another force to Teddy.

I would love to see Hooker in the 2nd or the Purdue QB O'Connell in the mid rounds...natural passers that can move that don't seem forced.

You can just as well lump Kirk in with the others in my opinion Only we didn't hand out fully guaranteed god-tier contracts to the others.

How many games has he missed? Also look at Dante's career record in comparasion. Kirk isn't the greatest QB ever but it wasn't a bad signing when you take into account the QB injuries we had....

Kirk is our 2nd or 3rd best qb in history...him and Tommy.

You can keep saying QB contracts but that is what the market is and was. Jets offered him more than we did and Denver a little less.

My expectations for success go up as the contract goes up. I don't define success as durability, decent stats, or even comeback wins even though all those things can contribute to success. I define success as what we do in the playoffs. In a one-off scenario I'll listen to arguments about having a bad defense, a bad O-line, a bad call by a ref, etc... But over course of five seasons all those excuses become less relevant. Kirk won one playoff game and then shit his pants in the game that followed. All the other QBs you've mentioned so far (Case, Ponder, Teddy, Daunte, and Sam Bradford) have a combined playoff record of 3-4. Kirk is 1-3. You mocked these other QBs calling them "Championship QBs" and yet they've collectively been better in the playoffs than Kirk.

Collectively better Defenses and Offense talent around them. $$$ goes up every year. Maybe you may want to look at something else....% of cap this year is where you may want to look. The Vikings have had Pro Bowl talent surronding those QBs on defense and offense. Cutting and trading Kirk is going to fix that also?

The main reason given is winning a championship isn't it? Did those QBs win it after or before we acquired them?

Here's a link to the 2019 Pro Bowl roster. Spoiler alert: There are Vikings on both offense and defense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Pro_Bowl

2018 Pro Bowl roster. Spoiler alert: Vikings all over the place, offense and defense represented.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Pro_Bowl

2020 Pro Bowl roster. You guessed it - Vikings on O and D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Pro_Bowl

2021 Pro Bowl roster: You got me on this one. Only two Vikings and they are both offense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Pro_Bowl

2022 Pro Bowl roster: 5 Pro Bowlers! Again O and D both represented.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Pro_Bowl

How many Pro Bowlers for KC? How many for Buffalo...remember in 98 when we had 9? You think this team is setup to win it all and I have read suggestions about getting rid of 2 of their Pro Bowlers.....Kirk and JJ. Great plans....

Dude, I don't know. Look that crap up yourself. I've done enough of your homework for one day.

I already looked it up....they have way more talent on their team....pro bowlers is just one way to look at it.

KC and Cincy have/had #3 WR better than on 2nd and a better defense....somehow some ignorant posters don't see how stacked the top 4 of the AFC, Philly, and 49ers were.