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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/26/2023 10:30:51 AM

Tom Sykes

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How many QBs did SF go through this season and still look like a top 4 or 5 team. They used all angles … committed resources for a promising backup (Garappolo), committed resources for high draft pick (Lance), lucked big-time into a throwaway pick (but hey still drafting QBs late for development). That is an aggressive, pro-active approach to the position.

Not sure how good Lance or Purdy will be … IMO Garappolo is like KC - on the good side of solid, not the franchise player you strive for, just a ‘nice’ player to keep things rolling.

We’ve obviously chosen the ‘keep things rolling’ approach … a ‘smart’ rebuild … which is based on making moderate changes without threatening .500 … basically prolonging our tighter cap and fewer draft choices while trying to outsmart everybody else.

It’s the anaconda approach, we’re not going to attack or pounce on success … we’re putting ourselves in position to win by slowly tightening and asphyxiating ourselves out of losing.

To each their own.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/26/2023 11:28:01 AM

Bill Jandro

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Kwesi best be shopping for another CB. Murphy should be the slot cb and maybe (a big maybe) between Evans and Booth one can stay off IR and man one of the outside spots. Duke would have been at a minimum a nice security blanket. I think we need another FA that can be a starter on the outside. I'd also add at least 2 in the draft.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/26/2023 2:44:52 PM

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imo: the non qb players in the NFL are going to revolt during the next cba negotiations - the qb's are sucking up all the cap, and leaving too little left for the rest of the players...too many players are ending their NFL careers with too little money in the bank....

Too little money in the bank ? Isn't the vet minimum for one year like million dollars?

After taxes and agent fees it's a slap in the face to anyone who barely made a roster.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/26/2023 5:16:20 PM

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imo: the non qb players in the NFL are going to revolt during the next cba negotiations - the qb's are sucking up all the cap, and leaving too little left for the rest of the players...too many players are ending their NFL careers with too little money in the bank....

Too little money in the bank ? Isn't the vet minimum for one year like million dollars?

After taxes and agent fees it's a slap in the face to anyone who barely made a roster.

Ah there's always one...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/27/2023 2:24:42 AM

ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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imo: the non qb players in the NFL are going to revolt during the next cba negotiations - the qb's are sucking up all the cap, and leaving too little left for the rest of the players...too many players are ending their NFL careers with too little money in the bank....

Too little money in the bank ? Isn't the vet minimum for one year like million dollars?

After taxes and agent fees it's a slap in the face to anyone who barely made a roster.

Ah there's always one...

I saw an agent being interviewed a few years back, and he said that, by far, the biggest shock for first-year players was the tax hit on their first year's earnings....

$1mm becomes $500k - buy yourself a nice car, take care of your family a bit = just about broke before next season's check....

the first thing that i'd do as an agent is get my players into some tax shelters, i.e. depreciable residential income property - smart investing early....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/27/2023 7:50:33 AM

jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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imo: the non qb players in the NFL are going to revolt during the next cba negotiations - the qb's are sucking up all the cap, and leaving too little left for the rest of the players...too many players are ending their NFL careers with too little money in the bank....

Too little money in the bank ? Isn't the vet minimum for one year like million dollars?

After taxes and agent fees it's a slap in the face to anyone who barely made a roster.

Ah there's always one...

I saw an agent being interviewed a few years back, and he said that, by far, the biggest shock for first-year players was the tax hit on their first year's earnings....

$1mm becomes $500k - buy yourself a nice car, take care of your family a bit = just about broke before next season's check....

the first thing that i'd do as an agent is get my players into some tax shelters, i.e. depreciable residential income property - smart investing early....

The tax bill on $1M is closer to $300K-$340K, depending on filing status, etc.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/27/2023 8:31:12 AM

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imo: the non qb players in the NFL are going to revolt during the next cba negotiations - the qb's are sucking up all the cap, and leaving too little left for the rest of the players...too many players are ending their NFL careers with too little money in the bank....

Average NFL career is a little over 3 years.

If the players strike for an entire season many will never play in the league again, many others will have just lost 30% of their career earnings.

It's why it's damn easy to break them in negotiations.

I think it's also a big reason why it's the best Pro Sport by a wide margin. You play or you are done getting paid. It's the ultimate motivator.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/27/2023 10:31:38 AM

marty

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I wouldn't mind a trade for Lamar Jackson.

My odds:

3% - Vikings chance of ever winning a Super Bowl with Kirk Cousins.

8% - Vikings chance of ever winning a Super Bowl with Lamar Jackson.

50% - The Chiefs chance of again winning the Super Bowl next year.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/27/2023 11:13:20 AM 1 votes

David F.

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Quite surprised that this story isn't getting more talk:

https://vikingswire.usatoday.com/2023/03/26/vikings-turned-down-discount-from-kirk-cousins/

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/27/2023 11:20:54 AM

Todd M

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I was thrilled when I read that and really want to take it as a sign we're no more than a year away from new blood at the QB spot but things can change.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/27/2023 12:42:53 PM

Bill Johanesen

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imo: the non qb players in the NFL are going to revolt during the next cba negotiations - the qb's are sucking up all the cap, and leaving too little left for the rest of the players...too many players are ending their NFL careers with too little money in the bank....

Too little money in the bank ? Isn't the vet minimum for one year like million dollars?

After taxes and agent fees it's a slap in the face to anyone who barely made a roster.

Ah there's always one...

I saw an agent being interviewed a few years back, and he said that, by far, the biggest shock for first-year players was the tax hit on their first year's earnings....

$1mm becomes $500k - buy yourself a nice car, take care of your family a bit = just about broke before next season's check....

the first thing that i'd do as an agent is get my players into some tax shelters, i.e. depreciable residential income property - smart investing early....

$500K sure doesn't go far anymore.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/27/2023 12:51:22 PM

Ricky J

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imo: the non qb players in the NFL are going to revolt during the next cba negotiations - the qb's are sucking up all the cap, and leaving too little left for the rest of the players...too many players are ending their NFL careers with too little money in the bank....

Too little money in the bank ? Isn't the vet minimum for one year like million dollars?

After taxes and agent fees it's a slap in the face to anyone who barely made a roster.

Ah there's always one...

I saw an agent being interviewed a few years back, and he said that, by far, the biggest shock for first-year players was the tax hit on their first year's earnings....

$1mm becomes $500k - buy yourself a nice car, take care of your family a bit = just about broke before next season's check....

the first thing that i'd do as an agent is get my players into some tax shelters, i.e. depreciable residential income property - smart investing early....

$500K sure doesn't go far anymore.

Saw a box of cereal in the local grocery store the other day for over $9. I went without.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/27/2023 12:53:52 PM

Ricky J

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Quite surprised that this story isn't getting more talk:

https://vikingswire.usatoday.com/2023/03/26/vikings-turned-down-discount-from-kirk-cousins/

Works for me. I wonder what he was asking. I"m ready to move on from close to $40

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/27/2023 12:54:47 PM

drviking

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Quite surprised that this story isn't getting more talk:

https://vikingswire.usatoday.com/2023/03/26/vikings-turned-down-discount-from-kirk-cousins/

I can't imagine what Kirk feels is a home town discount.

I would be fine paying him $20 millionish

Glad they didn't take the cheese

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/27/2023 1:22:21 PM

David Levine

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Quite surprised that this story isn't getting more talk:

https://vikingswire.usatoday.com/2023/03/26/vikings-turned-down-discount-from-kirk-cousins/

I can't imagine what Kirk feels is a home town discount.

I would be fine paying him $20 millionish

Glad they didn't take the cheese

Right. All we know is it was less than 40 and apparently he wanted both years 100% guaranteed again.

I'm starting to buy into the idea that we trade up a bit for Levis (if he falls into the mid-late teens) or down a bit for Hooker.

No sure how I feel about either guy, but I'd applaud the effort.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/27/2023 1:50:00 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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imo: the non qb players in the NFL are going to revolt during the next cba negotiations - the qb's are sucking up all the cap, and leaving too little left for the rest of the players...too many players are ending their NFL careers with too little money in the bank....

Too little money in the bank ? Isn't the vet minimum for one year like million dollars?

After taxes and agent fees it's a slap in the face to anyone who barely made a roster.

Ah there's always one...

I saw an agent being interviewed a few years back, and he said that, by far, the biggest shock for first-year players was the tax hit on their first year's earnings....

$1mm becomes $500k - buy yourself a nice car, take care of your family a bit = just about broke before next season's check....

the first thing that i'd do as an agent is get my players into some tax shelters, i.e. depreciable residential income property - smart investing early....

The tax bill on $1M is closer to $300K-$340K, depending on filing status, etc.

Add in state tax

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/27/2023 2:30:05 PM

David F.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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imo: the non qb players in the NFL are going to revolt during the next cba negotiations - the qb's are sucking up all the cap, and leaving too little left for the rest of the players...too many players are ending their NFL careers with too little money in the bank....

Too little money in the bank ? Isn't the vet minimum for one year like million dollars?

After taxes and agent fees it's a slap in the face to anyone who barely made a roster.

Ah there's always one...

I saw an agent being interviewed a few years back, and he said that, by far, the biggest shock for first-year players was the tax hit on their first year's earnings....

$1mm becomes $500k - buy yourself a nice car, take care of your family a bit = just about broke before next season's check....

the first thing that i'd do as an agent is get my players into some tax shelters, i.e. depreciable residential income property - smart investing early....

The tax bill on $1M is closer to $300K-$340K, depending on filing status, etc.

Add in state tax

If it were a Viking and somehow they played every single game in Minnesota (impossible but I’ll go with it), were single and took no deductions whatsoever the state tax would be $93,000. So realistically more like $60,000

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/27/2023 2:52:04 PM

Bill Johanesen

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Bottomline, there is a reason QBs command the largest % of the cap. Perhaps no single position in team sports is as important. And they directly impact ratings, ergo broadcasting contracts, etc.

The NFLPA would laugh a proposal to somehow put a cap on QB earnings right out of the building. Actually, it's not even a valid proposal.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/28/2023 3:06:29 AM

ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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imo: the non qb players in the NFL are going to revolt during the next cba negotiations - the qb's are sucking up all the cap, and leaving too little left for the rest of the players...too many players are ending their NFL careers with too little money in the bank....

Too little money in the bank ? Isn't the vet minimum for one year like million dollars?

After taxes and agent fees it's a slap in the face to anyone who barely made a roster.

Ah there's always one...

I saw an agent being interviewed a few years back, and he said that, by far, the biggest shock for first-year players was the tax hit on their first year's earnings....

$1mm becomes $500k - buy yourself a nice car, take care of your family a bit = just about broke before next season's check....

the first thing that i'd do as an agent is get my players into some tax shelters, i.e. depreciable residential income property - smart investing early....

The tax bill on $1M is closer to $300K-$340K, depending on filing status, etc.

Add in state tax

If it were a Viking and somehow they played every single game in Minnesota (impossible but I’ll go with it), were single and took no deductions whatsoever the state tax would be $93,000. So realistically more like $60,000

how much do the agents take?...i think it's less than it used to be....

do teams have to pay the players cut from the 90 training camp bodies?...if you're a bubble player and don't end up on a team's 53 or practice squad, you should get a minimum of $35k...how can these potential players afford to return every year and try to make the cut?....

also, practice squad players' salaries should not count against the 53 salary cap....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/28/2023 7:32:13 AM

Phil Riewer

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In looking at the current depth chart on defense, I have us as one of the worst defenses in the league. From a talent standpoint, that's an awful defense.

Hope they can catch lightning in a bottle in the draft.

On top of that, has anyone looked at our current backups on offense? All I can says is, we better hope zero starters get hurt.

How many picks do we have?

FA, Draft, Trades, UDFA...yet. Most teams are no where close at this time. SF has 2 injured QBS, Jets don't have a starting QB....etc. etc.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/28/2023 7:37:19 AM

Phil Riewer

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I was thrilled when I read that and really want to take it as a sign we're no more than a year away from new blood at the QB spot but things can change.

I don't understand that philosophy.....we become closer to the new blood being a Ponder.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/28/2023 8:41:04 AM

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I was thrilled when I read that and really want to take it as a sign we're no more than a year away from new blood at the QB spot but things can change.

I don't understand that philosophy.....we become closer to the new blood being a Ponder.

I understand that philosophy.....we become closer to the new blood being a Mahomes.

Didn't Ponder win as many playoff games here as Cousins, in fewer seasons?

Don't fear change, embrace it, no more Mr. 500 that chokes in the big moments.

< Message edited by Murph -- 3/28/2023 8:42:29 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/28/2023 8:52:46 AM

David F.

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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imo: the non qb players in the NFL are going to revolt during the next cba negotiations - the qb's are sucking up all the cap, and leaving too little left for the rest of the players...too many players are ending their NFL careers with too little money in the bank....

Too little money in the bank ? Isn't the vet minimum for one year like million dollars?

After taxes and agent fees it's a slap in the face to anyone who barely made a roster.

Ah there's always one...

I saw an agent being interviewed a few years back, and he said that, by far, the biggest shock for first-year players was the tax hit on their first year's earnings....

$1mm becomes $500k - buy yourself a nice car, take care of your family a bit = just about broke before next season's check....

the first thing that i'd do as an agent is get my players into some tax shelters, i.e. depreciable residential income property - smart investing early....

The tax bill on $1M is closer to $300K-$340K, depending on filing status, etc.

Add in state tax

If it were a Viking and somehow they played every single game in Minnesota (impossible but I’ll go with it), were single and took no deductions whatsoever the state tax would be $93,000. So realistically more like $60,000

how much do the agents take?...i think it's less than it used to be....

do teams have to pay the players cut from the 90 training camp bodies?...if you're a bubble player and don't end up on a team's 53 or practice squad, you should get a minimum of $35k...how can these potential players afford to return every year and try to make the cut?....

also, practice squad players' salaries should not count against the 53 salary cap....

By rule, the most an nfl agent can make is 3%.

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I wouldn't give ANY qb $30-50+ mil unless that QB had won me a Super Bowl. Did you win a Super Bowl on your rookie deal? Yes? Great! Here's your hugenormous contract. F it let's just run victory laps and love life. No? Good luck. Next!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/28/2023 9:53:01 AM

Phil Riewer

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I was thrilled when I read that and really want to take it as a sign we're no more than a year away from new blood at the QB spot but things can change.

I don't understand that philosophy.....we become closer to the new blood being a Ponder.

I understand that philosophy.....we become closer to the new blood being a Mahomes.
Didn't Ponder win as many playoff games here as Cousins, in fewer seasons?
Don't fear change, embrace it, no more Mr. 500 that chokes in the big moments.

Top 10 QB; did you ever think Ponder could win you a SB or Case for that matter? You are closer with Kirk in 2023 and maybe 2024. Ponder had Percy and AP in their prime...what a waste. Also Allen, Griffen, Harry, Winfield, and Greenway.......all that talent and a 10-6 record.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/28/2023 10:05:05 AM

David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
I was thrilled when I read that and really want to take it as a sign we're no more than a year away from new blood at the QB spot but things can change.

I don't understand that philosophy.....we become closer to the new blood being a Ponder.

I understand that philosophy.....we become closer to the new blood being a Mahomes.
Didn't Ponder win as many playoff games here as Cousins, in fewer seasons?
Don't fear change, embrace it, no more Mr. 500 that chokes in the big moments.

Top 10 QB; did you ever think Ponder could win you a SB or Case for that matter? You are closer with Kirk in 2023 and maybe 2024. Ponder had Percy and AP in their prime...what a waste. Also Allen, Griffen, Harry, Winfield, and Greenway.......all that talent and a 10-6 record.

I agree 100% that we are closer to a Super Bowl with Kirk vs. with Ponder. 1000 miles away with Ponder and 200 miles away with Kirk. Can't even smell the popcorn either way though.

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I wouldn't give ANY qb $30-50+ mil unless that QB had won me a Super Bowl. Did you win a Super Bowl on your rookie deal? Yes? Great! Here's your hugenormous contract. F it let's just run victory laps and love life. No? Good luck. Next!

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