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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/17/2023 1:37:06 PM

David Levine

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Pay the man

I wonder why i never feel the need to side with players in these situations?

I always side with the player. I'm not sure if that's a good thing, a bad thing, or a weird thing.

Its a good thing.

The players are the product. Full stop.

And they literally shave years off their lives for (potential) millions, while the owners just sit back and create generational wealth.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/17/2023 2:49:59 PM

Ricky J

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Pay the man

I wonder why i never feel the need to side with players in these situations?

And yet ... you're one of Cousins biggest supporters in here ...

the guy who has financially screwed this team over more than any other.

Go figure.

I thought the topic was more along the lines of, im not happy with the contract i signed, I'm not showing up

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/17/2023 2:50:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Just looked up Hunter's contract. Gross. 5 years and $72 million which wasn't even stellar at the time of signing. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/danielle-hunter-16812/ He currently ranks 21st in average contract value per year. This is an embarrassment. The cherry on top is that (of course) he has $11.2 million in void years. The guy has done nothing but produce for us. Give him a new deal or trade him.

a third-round pick, hunter received a signing bonus and signed a new deal after his third year - $17.4mm...also, hunter always received his money up front - never had to wait to get paid....

danielle hunter has always been a gentleman about his financial dealings with the vikings - he read the language and signed the contract....

That's an oversimplification. We all know that teams will cut a player for a financial advantage. Why is no one quoting old-fashioned ethics to the teams at each cut? You put yer signature on that there piece of paper and yer word is yer bond. When it was Adam Thielen they had no problem re-doing his contract to an amount that more closely matched his value.

to the best of my knowledge, the vikings have followed their signed contractual agreements with their players...you're beef sounds like you're real issue is with the cba...you should be bitching to the NFL players union - they designed these deals....

regarding thielen's extensions, he didn't sit out two consecutive years with different injuries...they had to see what hunter had left in his body - it was the responsible thing to do - if you were paying danielle you'd probably see it differently....

i'd like to see the vikings give him an extension, and they most likely will....

See that's the thing - I do pay Danielle. You think the owners dig money out of their musty offshore accounts to pay these players? No. They take my season ticket money and my SBL money and pay them with that.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/17/2023 3:20:06 PM

Phil Riewer

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There was some issues a couple years back with Hunter...we paid him a year for not playing (neck) 2020, then he was hurt 9 games after a Pec injury in 2021 and then we upfronted money the next year....so it isn't all what it seems but I would give him more.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/17/2023 3:33:05 PM

ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Just looked up Hunter's contract. Gross. 5 years and $72 million which wasn't even stellar at the time of signing. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/danielle-hunter-16812/ He currently ranks 21st in average contract value per year. This is an embarrassment. The cherry on top is that (of course) he has $11.2 million in void years. The guy has done nothing but produce for us. Give him a new deal or trade him.

a third-round pick, hunter received a signing bonus and signed a new deal after his third year - $17.4mm...also, hunter always received his money up front - never had to wait to get paid....

danielle hunter has always been a gentleman about his financial dealings with the vikings - he read the language and signed the contract....

That's an oversimplification. We all know that teams will cut a player for a financial advantage. Why is no one quoting old-fashioned ethics to the teams at each cut? You put yer signature on that there piece of paper and yer word is yer bond. When it was Adam Thielen they had no problem re-doing his contract to an amount that more closely matched his value.

to the best of my knowledge, the vikings have followed their signed contractual agreements with their players...you're beef sounds like you're real issue is with the cba...you should be bitching to the NFL players union - they designed these deals....

regarding thielen's extensions, he didn't sit out two consecutive years with different injuries...they had to see what hunter had left in his body - it was the responsible thing to do - if you were paying danielle you'd probably see it differently....

i'd like to see the vikings give him an extension, and they most likely will....

See that's the thing - I do pay Danielle. You think the owners dig money out of their musty offshore accounts to pay these players? No. They take my season ticket money and my SBL money and pay them with that.

you misunderstand me, David F....

I don't side with the owners, or the players - I side with the contract...and there's something that tells me that to danielle hunter, honoring a contract that he had agreed to and signed his name, is more important than a few million dollars - especially when there is much more to be made....

danielle hunter has already made over $74.8mm playing football, and you would advise him to toss away his honor, something nobody can take from him - and something he could never change....something that could haunt him for the rest of his life....

i'm certain that won't happen, they'll work out an extension, and all will be happy....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/17/2023 3:34:31 PM

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I think they're keeping Cook and Zed, and possibly Hunter for trade chips, to move up and draft a possible franchise QB.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/17/2023 3:36:20 PM

David F.

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Just looked up Hunter's contract. Gross. 5 years and $72 million which wasn't even stellar at the time of signing. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/danielle-hunter-16812/ He currently ranks 21st in average contract value per year. This is an embarrassment. The cherry on top is that (of course) he has $11.2 million in void years. The guy has done nothing but produce for us. Give him a new deal or trade him.

a third-round pick, hunter received a signing bonus and signed a new deal after his third year - $17.4mm...also, hunter always received his money up front - never had to wait to get paid....

danielle hunter has always been a gentleman about his financial dealings with the vikings - he read the language and signed the contract....

That's an oversimplification. We all know that teams will cut a player for a financial advantage. Why is no one quoting old-fashioned ethics to the teams at each cut? You put yer signature on that there piece of paper and yer word is yer bond. When it was Adam Thielen they had no problem re-doing his contract to an amount that more closely matched his value.

to the best of my knowledge, the vikings have followed their signed contractual agreements with their players...you're beef sounds like you're real issue is with the cba...you should be bitching to the NFL players union - they designed these deals....

regarding thielen's extensions, he didn't sit out two consecutive years with different injuries...they had to see what hunter had left in his body - it was the responsible thing to do - if you were paying danielle you'd probably see it differently....

i'd like to see the vikings give him an extension, and they most likely will....

See that's the thing - I do pay Danielle. You think the owners dig money out of their musty offshore accounts to pay these players? No. They take my season ticket money and my SBL money and pay them with that.

you misunderstand me, David F....

I don't side with the owners, or the players - I side with the contract...and there's something that tells me that to danielle hunter, honoring a contract that he had agreed to and signed his name, is more important than a few million dollars - especially when there is much more to be made....

danielle hunter has already made over $74.8mm playing football, and you would advise him to toss away his honor, something nobody can take from him - and something he could never change....something that could haunt him for the rest of his life....

i'm certain that won't happen, they'll work out an extension, and all will be happy....

It wouldn't be the first time I've misunderstood someone. I'll try to re-read posts and count to ten before dropping a reply. That said, finishing out a 5yr/$72 million contract without insisting on a new contract would make Hunter a chump. He's outperformed that deal by a mile already. Give him a new deal or trade him to a team that will pay him what he's worth - which is north of $20 million per year.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/17/2023 3:44:40 PM

David Levine

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Just looked up Hunter's contract. Gross. 5 years and $72 million which wasn't even stellar at the time of signing. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/danielle-hunter-16812/ He currently ranks 21st in average contract value per year. This is an embarrassment. The cherry on top is that (of course) he has $11.2 million in void years. The guy has done nothing but produce for us. Give him a new deal or trade him.

a third-round pick, hunter received a signing bonus and signed a new deal after his third year - $17.4mm...also, hunter always received his money up front - never had to wait to get paid....

danielle hunter has always been a gentleman about his financial dealings with the vikings - he read the language and signed the contract....

That's an oversimplification. We all know that teams will cut a player for a financial advantage. Why is no one quoting old-fashioned ethics to the teams at each cut? You put yer signature on that there piece of paper and yer word is yer bond. When it was Adam Thielen they had no problem re-doing his contract to an amount that more closely matched his value.

to the best of my knowledge, the vikings have followed their signed contractual agreements with their players...you're beef sounds like you're real issue is with the cba...you should be bitching to the NFL players union - they designed these deals....

regarding thielen's extensions, he didn't sit out two consecutive years with different injuries...they had to see what hunter had left in his body - it was the responsible thing to do - if you were paying danielle you'd probably see it differently....

i'd like to see the vikings give him an extension, and they most likely will....

See that's the thing - I do pay Danielle. You think the owners dig money out of their musty offshore accounts to pay these players? No. They take my season ticket money and my SBL money and pay them with that.

you misunderstand me, David F....

I don't side with the owners, or the players - I side with the contract...and there's something that tells me that to danielle hunter, honoring a contract that he had agreed to and signed his name, is more important than a few million dollars - especially when there is much more to be made....

danielle hunter has already made over $74.8mm playing football, and you would advise him to toss away his honor, something nobody can take from him - and something he could never change....something that could haunt him for the rest of his life....

i'm certain that won't happen, they'll work out an extension, and all will be happy....

So are you against players renegotiating to take less money because that's not honoring the contract as well?

Also, I bet I can count on zero hands the number of players that were "haunted" by asking for, and getting, more money because they outperformed their existing contract.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/17/2023 4:36:17 PM

Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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Pay the man

I wonder why i never feel the need to side with players in these situations?

And yet ... you're one of Cousins biggest supporters in here ...

the guy who has financially screwed this team over more than any other.

Go figure.

I thought the topic was more along the lines of, im not happy with the contract i signed, I'm not showing up

It was a cheap shot over ‘paying the man’ vs. siding with the team in general.

Very cheap.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/17/2023 5:12:26 PM

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Vikes can do similar to Washington, trade up for Anthony Richardson, and select DTR in the 4th round.

They both turn out to be studs, and you trade the lesser in 3 years, for a 1st and 3rd round pick.

If the lesser is DTR, he'll almost certainly be a free agent in 3 years. And possibly not be worth a plug nickel.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/17/2023 5:52:12 PM

Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Pay the man

I wonder why i never feel the need to side with players in these situations?

And yet ... you're one of Cousins biggest supporters in here ...

the guy who has financially screwed this team over more than any other.

Go figure.

I thought the topic was more along the lines of, im not happy with the contract i signed, I'm not showing up

It was a cheap shot over ‘paying the man’ vs. siding with the team in general.

Very cheap.

It wasnt a cheap shot at all. I simply stated: I wonder why i never feel the need to side with players in these situations? And even if it was like you say, I didn't like the idea of paying him, why is that a big deal to you? I have to feel the same way you do about things or I'm what, not welcome in the club?

And the last time you replied to me you were wrong in what I was thinking - and you called me a jerk.

Listen, I don't give two poops whether you like me or not. I really don't. But stop, you obviously don't know me at all.

Anybody else think I was throwing a cheap shot out there?

< Message edited by Ricky J -- 4/17/2023 5:56:00 PM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/17/2023 6:37:23 PM

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My guess is Tom was talking about himself...his cheap shot...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/17/2023 6:58:50 PM

David Levine

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My guess is Tom was talking about himself...his cheap shot...

100%

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/17/2023 7:35:15 PM

Ricky J

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Well then I need to apologize. I was 100% wrong and I'm sorry, Tom.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/17/2023 7:38:06 PM

Ricky J

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Well then I need to apologize. I was 100% wrong and I'm sorry, Tom.

How the heck did I miss that one so bad. I feel horrible about it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/17/2023 10:03:49 PM

Tom Sykes

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Well then I need to apologize. I was 100% wrong and I'm sorry, Tom.

How the heck did I miss that one so bad. I feel horrible about it.

No need to. I’m constantly attacking your position …

I tapped your knee with a little reflex hammer and you kicked me.

All good.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/18/2023 2:12:39 AM

ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Just looked up Hunter's contract. Gross. 5 years and $72 million which wasn't even stellar at the time of signing. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/danielle-hunter-16812/ He currently ranks 21st in average contract value per year. This is an embarrassment. The cherry on top is that (of course) he has $11.2 million in void years. The guy has done nothing but produce for us. Give him a new deal or trade him.

a third-round pick, hunter received a signing bonus and signed a new deal after his third year - $17.4mm...also, hunter always received his money up front - never had to wait to get paid....

danielle hunter has always been a gentleman about his financial dealings with the vikings - he read the language and signed the contract....

That's an oversimplification. We all know that teams will cut a player for a financial advantage. Why is no one quoting old-fashioned ethics to the teams at each cut? You put yer signature on that there piece of paper and yer word is yer bond. When it was Adam Thielen they had no problem re-doing his contract to an amount that more closely matched his value.

to the best of my knowledge, the vikings have followed their signed contractual agreements with their players...you're beef sounds like you're real issue is with the cba...you should be bitching to the NFL players union - they designed these deals....

regarding thielen's extensions, he didn't sit out two consecutive years with different injuries...they had to see what hunter had left in his body - it was the responsible thing to do - if you were paying danielle you'd probably see it differently....

i'd like to see the vikings give him an extension, and they most likely will....

See that's the thing - I do pay Danielle. You think the owners dig money out of their musty offshore accounts to pay these players? No. They take my season ticket money and my SBL money and pay them with that.

you misunderstand me, David F....

I don't side with the owners, or the players - I side with the contract...and there's something that tells me that to danielle hunter, honoring a contract that he had agreed to and signed his name, is more important than a few million dollars - especially when there is much more to be made....

danielle hunter has already made over $74.8mm playing football, and you would advise him to toss away his honor, something nobody can take from him - and something he could never change....something that could haunt him for the rest of his life....

i'm certain that won't happen, they'll work out an extension, and all will be happy....

So are you against players renegotiating to take less money because that's not honoring the contract as well?

Also, I bet I can count on zero hands the number of players that were "haunted" by asking for, and getting, more money because they outperformed their existing contract.

not necessarily, each deal is unique....i honestly believe that hunter is not a typical 'player', and that honor really means something to him...the reason this years deal looks so bad is because the team has already paid almost all of the contract up front - this is what happens when teams are moving money around to create cap space....

there are a lot of people that think the time to trade hunter is now....we keep z'smith on a shorter deal - with jefferson and darisaw deals in the wings, and no legitimate quarterback to take us to the promised land we could be taking a couple of seasons off...and we might get a 2nd rounder for hunter, or hunter & cook combo, somewhere....

also, I don't do a jefferson deal until after next season...even if he holds out, it might be better for all to give him his monster deal next year - again, to save cap space....and darisaw the same....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/18/2023 6:08:10 AM

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Hunter is our best defensive player. We already lost our 2nd best defensive player (Tomlinson) to FA and replaced him with a much lesser player (Lowry). Doubt any draft pick will be even close to what Hunter gives you and our defense was 31st last season.

Flores system certainly should make us better but unless he can walk on water he will need at least a handful of decent players.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/18/2023 7:41:31 AM

Phil Riewer

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Hunter is our best defensive player. We already lost our 2nd best defensive player (Tomlinson) to FA and replaced him with a much lesser player (Lowry). Doubt any draft pick will be even close to what Hunter gives you and our defense was 31st last season.

Flores system certainly should make us better but unless he can walk on water he will need at least a handful of decent players.

Hunter is our best defensive player that has played 23 games out of the 50 the last 3 years....so odds are it will have some clauses but he will get paid.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/18/2023 8:20:24 AM

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Well then I need to apologize. I was 100% wrong and I'm sorry, Tom.

How the heck did I miss that one so bad. I feel horrible about it.

No need to. I’m constantly attacking your position …

I tapped your knee with a little reflex hammer and you kicked me.

All good.

I appreciate your reply. But I was so quick to judge it's embarrassing.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/18/2023 9:03:07 AM

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Hunter is our best defensive player. We already lost our 2nd best defensive player (Tomlinson) to FA and replaced him with a much lesser player (Lowry). Doubt any draft pick will be even close to what Hunter gives you and our defense was 31st last season.

Flores system certainly should make us better but unless he can walk on water he will need at least a handful of decent players.

Hunter is our best defensive player that has played 23 games out of the 50 the last 3 years....so odds are it will have some clauses but he will get paid.

I think the only way he isn't on the team is if we use him(trade) to move up for one of the big 4 QBs.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/18/2023 9:19:30 AM

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“Vikings DE Danielle Hunter is not expected to attend the start of Minnesota’s voluntary offseason program, per sources. The absence is likely due to his contract — he’s set to make $4.9M in the last year of his deal, well below market for a three-time Pro Bowler.”

You have doubled down on Hunter being honorable and honoring his contract. If that was the case, he wouldn't be absent for the start of the offseason program due to his contract (if the "likely" reason is accurate).

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/18/2023 9:29:29 AM

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the reason this years deal looks so bad is because the team has already paid almost all of the contract up front - this is what happens when teams are moving money around to create cap space....

I don't agree with that at all. The reason the deal looks so bad is because 5/72 was an INCREDIBLY team friendly contract back when it was signed. In the meantime the market has exploded and Hunter continues to play at an elite level, injuries notwithstanding.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/18/2023 9:49:20 AM

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Hunter is our best defensive player. We already lost our 2nd best defensive player (Tomlinson) to FA and replaced him with a much lesser player (Lowry). Doubt any draft pick will be even close to what Hunter gives you and our defense was 31st last season.

Flores system certainly should make us better but unless he can walk on water he will need at least a handful of decent players.

Hunter is our best defensive player that has played 23 games out of the 50 the last 3 years....so odds are it will have some clauses but he will get paid.

Agreed, the only reason I know Hunter is because I keep reading on here how great he is. Guy never plays. I wouldn't pay him any more or extend him at this point.

BFD if he doesn't show up for offseason drills. If he wants another big payday he is going to have to show it on the field. I assume that will motivate him to have a big season.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/18/2023 10:09:42 AM

David F.

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Hunter is our best defensive player. We already lost our 2nd best defensive player (Tomlinson) to FA and replaced him with a much lesser player (Lowry). Doubt any draft pick will be even close to what Hunter gives you and our defense was 31st last season.

Flores system certainly should make us better but unless he can walk on water he will need at least a handful of decent players.

Hunter is our best defensive player that has played 23 games out of the 50 the last 3 years....so odds are it will have some clauses but he will get paid.

Agreed, the only reason I know Hunter is because I keep reading on here how great he is. Guy never plays. I wouldn't pay him any more or extend him at this point.

BFD if he doesn't show up for offseason drills. If he wants another big payday he is going to have to show it on the field. I assume that will motivate him to have a big season.

Hunter hasn't needed a looming contract year to motivate himself so I'll assume his production will continue to be outstanding. He had 10.5 sacks last year in his first go in a 3-4. The dude is simply one of the best at his position.

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I wouldn't give ANY qb $30-50+ mil unless that QB had won me a Super Bowl. Did you win a Super Bowl on your rookie deal? Yes? Great! Here's your hugenormous contract. F it let's just run victory laps and love life. No? Good luck. Next!

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