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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2022 1:09:18 PM   
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In the "didn't see that coming" category. I have Champions League soccer on in the background and a Nigerian, who plays for the German team RB Salzburg, just scored and did the griddy in celebration


Jefferson is going to cost a fortune
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2022 5:44:45 PM   
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Darren Wolfson on the Scoops session on Skor North said keep an eye on the Vikings potentially trading for a "KJ Hamler, Brandin Cooks" esque WR who can stretch the field, he says he's in the process of checking if the Vikings are interested in Brandin Cooks specifically

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2022 6:24:34 PM  1 votes
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Darren Wolfson on the Scoops session on Skor North said keep an eye on the Vikings potentially trading for a "KJ Hamler, Brandin Cooks" esque WR who can stretch the field, he says he's in the process of checking if the Vikings are interested in Brandin Cooks specifically


We should have just drafted Jameson Williams instead of moving back for Cine.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2022 6:42:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Murph

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Darren Wolfson on the Scoops session on Skor North said keep an eye on the Vikings potentially trading for a "KJ Hamler, Brandin Cooks" esque WR who can stretch the field, he says he's in the process of checking if the Vikings are interested in Brandin Cooks specifically


We should have just drafted Jameson Williams instead of moving back for Cine.

Or maybe we could just use Jalen reagor in that spot we already traded for for that purpose?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2022 7:00:50 PM   
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Darren Wolfson on the Scoops session on Skor North said keep an eye on... esque WR...

He says he's in the process of checking if the Vikings are interested in Brandin Cooks specifically...

IOW, he has nothing. But they always have plausible deniability about spewing garbage because they have to protect their precious, and likely imaginary, source.

And people will spread the crap.


Thought the same WRT Reagor.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2022 5:29:37 AM   
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4 ways the Vikings can make a trade work with the salary cap...by tyler forness


Restructure Brian O'Neill:
The one contract that the Vikings could restructure that would make sense for the Vikings and not cripple them long-term would be O’Neill. A true stalwart at right tackle, O’Neill will factor into the Vikings plans for a long time. Unlike extending either Dalvin Cook or Eric Kendricks, there wouldn’t be any issues worrying about dead money. It’s still not an ideal scenario for the Vikings, as O’Neill has cap hits of at least $19 million each of the next four seasons.


Extend Dalvin Tomlinson:
The Vikings have been excellent up front and that is mainly due to the success of Tomlinson. When the Vikings initially signed him to a two-year contract worth $21 million, they were expecting him to play 3-technique. With the move to the 3-4 defense, he has been playing a lot at the 5-technique which as suited him quite well. The Vikings also have $2.5 million in each of the next three years committed in signing bonuses to Tomlinson, as the deal he signed contained three void years. They could ease the cap hit by $5 million next year and just over $1.5 this year with an extension. This would be a move that would be both short and long-term.


Restructure or extend Eric Kendricks:
The big issue with restructuring or extending Kendricks’ contract is answering the question as to whether the Vikings view him as a cornerstone piece the next couple of seasons. He is under contract through the 2023 season with a salary of $9,150,000 this season and next season. They could clear $2,960,294 in cap space by restructuring his contract. They also could extend him and add void years to lessen the blow. This is all based on the idea that the Vikings want him long-term and don’t plan on moving on from the 2015 second-round pick, as doing so would save the Vikings $9.5 million on the 2023 salary cap.

Pay extra draft capital to have them restructure the contract:
One of the things that the Rams were successful at was using their draft capital to add that final piece to a Super Bowl team. They especially were last season when they traded for the Broncos edge rusher Von Miller. The Rams didn’t have cap space to take on Miller’s contract, so they gave them extra draft capital for the Broncos to eat nine million dollars, leaving the Rams with a shade over $700,000 to pay Miller. That money also cost the Rams more draft capital, as they send their 2022 second and third-round picks to the Broncos. The Vikings could choose to do something similar to add a player to the team in order to make a run this year.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2022 7:38:35 AM   
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What I want to see Sunday.

Sharp and focused in all 3 phases. If KOC is as good as we hope we should be. I've seen the slide the last 2 coaches after a hot start. I want to look like we belong.

A loose team having fun on ROH #69 day.

The crowd electric.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2022 7:38:53 AM   
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I don't think we're that close to go shopping with a CC.

We have plenty of dead cap already and by adding to it will hurt even more down the road.

I don't see the need to add another wr. Let's play the year out and see what happens with what we got.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2022 7:42:33 AM   
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I don't think we're that close to go shopping with a CC.

We have plenty of dead cap already and by adding to it will hurt even more down the road.

I don't see the need to add another wr. Let's play the year out and see what happens with what we got.


Was just thinking that and about to post...

No $, little draft capital, healthy, competitive, gelling, should = a pass on shopping.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2022 8:22:21 AM   
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Plus Jefferson is like Uh, I don't want no slap-in-the-face offer just cause you don't have any cap.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2022 8:32:26 AM   
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OverTheCap (https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space) shows we are 32nd, i.e. dead last in available cap. The only team with less than a million dollars. And the current cap space for 2023 is a mere $5 million.

Spottrac (https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/) shows we are 30th with $1.6 million. It shows we currently have less than a million in space for 2023.

None of that will stop these idiot bloggers from creating click bait. Especially when they add "...to make a run..."
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2022 8:46:24 AM   
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Maybe instead of blabbing about signing players before the trade deadline, they could tweet and blog about what expensive contracts we could unload. Won't happen because we can't mess with the roster of this 5-1 powerhouse.

But for example, the Rams missed out on McCaffery. What would they offer for Cook?

Harrison Smith and Theilen are on the books for $40 million each of the next two years. With no viable replacements, we may be stuck with them for a while. Cine? Nailor? He has one catch this season.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2022 8:46:40 AM   
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There are a number of wrenche in the cap machine..

Cousins, cook , Thielen and Harrison Smith and two ghost players, Kendricks and Hunter.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2022 9:11:44 AM   
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How much of having the worst cap # right now is on Kwesi?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2022 9:14:03 AM   
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I want to say the best thing KOM has done was hire KOC but I have an imagined scenario in my head that we were sold on KOC but the Harbough flirtation was on Kwesi.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2022 9:56:09 AM   
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if we don't get to the nfccg by 2023, we'll probably blow it all up...might have to use jefferson as trade-up comp for drafting a quarterback....

is Jefferson going to be patient and wait until 2024 for his new deal?....

we can come up with $25mm next year by letting go of dead wood....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2022 10:00:58 AM   
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I want to see playoff Jefferson make bank after it's all said and done.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2022 10:01:42 AM   
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How much of having the worst cap # right now is on Kwesi?


That reads as if there is an insinuation somewhere.

It's doubtful we will ever know whether Kwesi could have done something about the poor cap situation this past offseason besides extending Cousins and pushing cap into void years. Some equate Wilf's standard babble about being competitive to Kwesi being hamstrung, but we don't know the inner conversations or decisions.

< Message edited by Bill Johanesen -- 10/26/2022 10:02:49 AM >
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2022 10:04:04 AM   
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I want to see playoff Jefferson make bank after it's all said and done.


I want to see Vikings Super Bowl Jefferson make bank after it's all said and done.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2022 10:13:02 AM   
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I want to see playoff Jefferson make bank after it's all said and done.



would you trade jefferson and a couple of 1st rounders for a 'burrows type'?...that might be the type of decision we have to make....

jefferson is going to want a boatload...he won't be happy waiting forever to compete...it just might have to happen - the trade....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2022 10:13:11 AM   
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if we don't get to the nfccg by 2023, we'll probably blow it all up...might have to use jefferson as trade-up comp for drafting a quarterback....

is Jefferson going to be patient and wait until 2024 for his new deal?....

we can come up with $25mm next year by letting go of dead wood....



Barring and changes, 2024 still has mostly the same cast of characters to deal with.... Cook, Smith, Theilen. Plus Za Smith. O'Neal isn't likely going anywhere.

And for 2024 the cap hits of Cousins and Hunter are currently 6th and 7th highest on the team even though they won't be under contract. A combined $24 million.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2022 10:19:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I want to see playoff Jefferson make bank after it's all said and done.



would you trade jefferson and a couple of 1st rounders for a 'burrows type'?...that might be the type of decision we have to make....

jefferson is going to want a boatload...he won't be happy waiting forever to compete...it just might have to happen - the trade....


I could entertain the thought.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2022 10:47:17 AM   
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4 ways the Vikings can make a trade work with the salary cap...by tyler forness


Restructure Brian O'Neill:
The one contract that the Vikings could restructure that would make sense for the Vikings and not cripple them long-term would be O’Neill. A true stalwart at right tackle, O’Neill will factor into the Vikings plans for a long time. Unlike extending either Dalvin Cook or Eric Kendricks, there wouldn’t be any issues worrying about dead money. It’s still not an ideal scenario for the Vikings, as O’Neill has cap hits of at least $19 million each of the next four seasons.


Extend Dalvin Tomlinson:
The Vikings have been excellent up front and that is mainly due to the success of Tomlinson. When the Vikings initially signed him to a two-year contract worth $21 million, they were expecting him to play 3-technique. With the move to the 3-4 defense, he has been playing a lot at the 5-technique which as suited him quite well. The Vikings also have $2.5 million in each of the next three years committed in signing bonuses to Tomlinson, as the deal he signed contained three void years. They could ease the cap hit by $5 million next year and just over $1.5 this year with an extension. This would be a move that would be both short and long-term.


Restructure or extend Eric Kendricks:
The big issue with restructuring or extending Kendricks’ contract is answering the question as to whether the Vikings view him as a cornerstone piece the next couple of seasons. He is under contract through the 2023 season with a salary of $9,150,000 this season and next season. They could clear $2,960,294 in cap space by restructuring his contract. They also could extend him and add void years to lessen the blow. This is all based on the idea that the Vikings want him long-term and don’t plan on moving on from the 2015 second-round pick, as doing so would save the Vikings $9.5 million on the 2023 salary cap.

Pay extra draft capital to have them restructure the contract:
One of the things that the Rams were successful at was using their draft capital to add that final piece to a Super Bowl team. They especially were last season when they traded for the Broncos edge rusher Von Miller. The Rams didn’t have cap space to take on Miller’s contract, so they gave them extra draft capital for the Broncos to eat nine million dollars, leaving the Rams with a shade over $700,000 to pay Miller. That money also cost the Rams more draft capital, as they send their 2022 second and third-round picks to the Broncos. The Vikings could choose to do something similar to add a player to the team in order to make a run this year.


I'd be curious what indicates to this guy that "The Vikings have been excellent up front"?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2022 11:10:40 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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4 ways the Vikings can make a trade work with the salary cap...by tyler forness


Restructure Brian O'Neill:
The one contract that the Vikings could restructure that would make sense for the Vikings and not cripple them long-term would be O’Neill. A true stalwart at right tackle, O’Neill will factor into the Vikings plans for a long time. Unlike extending either Dalvin Cook or Eric Kendricks, there wouldn’t be any issues worrying about dead money. It’s still not an ideal scenario for the Vikings, as O’Neill has cap hits of at least $19 million each of the next four seasons.


Extend Dalvin Tomlinson:
The Vikings have been excellent up front and that is mainly due to the success of Tomlinson. When the Vikings initially signed him to a two-year contract worth $21 million, they were expecting him to play 3-technique. With the move to the 3-4 defense, he has been playing a lot at the 5-technique which as suited him quite well. The Vikings also have $2.5 million in each of the next three years committed in signing bonuses to Tomlinson, as the deal he signed contained three void years. They could ease the cap hit by $5 million next year and just over $1.5 this year with an extension. This would be a move that would be both short and long-term.


Restructure or extend Eric Kendricks:
The big issue with restructuring or extending Kendricks’ contract is answering the question as to whether the Vikings view him as a cornerstone piece the next couple of seasons. He is under contract through the 2023 season with a salary of $9,150,000 this season and next season. They could clear $2,960,294 in cap space by restructuring his contract. They also could extend him and add void years to lessen the blow. This is all based on the idea that the Vikings want him long-term and don’t plan on moving on from the 2015 second-round pick, as doing so would save the Vikings $9.5 million on the 2023 salary cap.

Pay extra draft capital to have them restructure the contract:
One of the things that the Rams were successful at was using their draft capital to add that final piece to a Super Bowl team. They especially were last season when they traded for the Broncos edge rusher Von Miller. The Rams didn’t have cap space to take on Miller’s contract, so they gave them extra draft capital for the Broncos to eat nine million dollars, leaving the Rams with a shade over $700,000 to pay Miller. That money also cost the Rams more draft capital, as they send their 2022 second and third-round picks to the Broncos. The Vikings could choose to do something similar to add a player to the team in order to make a run this year.

I'd be curious what indicates to this guy that "The Vikings have been excellent up front"?

I was scratching my head on that one too.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2022 11:34:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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if we don't get to the nfccg by 2023, we'll probably blow it all up...might have to use jefferson as trade-up comp for drafting a quarterback....

is Jefferson going to be patient and wait until 2024 for his new deal?....

we can come up with $25mm next year by letting go of dead wood....



Barring and changes, 2024 still has mostly the same cast of characters to deal with....Cook, Smith, Theilen. Plus Za Smith. O'Neal isn't likely going anywhere.

And for 2024 the cap hits of Cousins and Hunter are currently 6th and 7th highest on the team even though they won't be under contract. A combined $24 million.



i don't see these players making it into 2023 - they, and ham, and hicks, are how we raise $30mm this offseason....

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