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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2022 11:37:57 AM   
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4 ways the Vikings can make a trade work with the salary cap...by tyler forness


Restructure Brian O'Neill:
The one contract that the Vikings could restructure that would make sense for the Vikings and not cripple them long-term would be O’Neill. A true stalwart at right tackle, O’Neill will factor into the Vikings plans for a long time. Unlike extending either Dalvin Cook or Eric Kendricks, there wouldn’t be any issues worrying about dead money. It’s still not an ideal scenario for the Vikings, as O’Neill has cap hits of at least $19 million each of the next four seasons.


Extend Dalvin Tomlinson:
The Vikings have been excellent up front and that is mainly due to the success of Tomlinson. When the Vikings initially signed him to a two-year contract worth $21 million, they were expecting him to play 3-technique. With the move to the 3-4 defense, he has been playing a lot at the 5-technique which as suited him quite well. The Vikings also have $2.5 million in each of the next three years committed in signing bonuses to Tomlinson, as the deal he signed contained three void years. They could ease the cap hit by $5 million next year and just over $1.5 this year with an extension. This would be a move that would be both short and long-term.


Restructure or extend Eric Kendricks:
The big issue with restructuring or extending Kendricks’ contract is answering the question as to whether the Vikings view him as a cornerstone piece the next couple of seasons. He is under contract through the 2023 season with a salary of $9,150,000 this season and next season. They could clear $2,960,294 in cap space by restructuring his contract. They also could extend him and add void years to lessen the blow. This is all based on the idea that the Vikings want him long-term and don’t plan on moving on from the 2015 second-round pick, as doing so would save the Vikings $9.5 million on the 2023 salary cap.

Pay extra draft capital to have them restructure the contract:
One of the things that the Rams were successful at was using their draft capital to add that final piece to a Super Bowl team. They especially were last season when they traded for the Broncos edge rusher Von Miller. The Rams didn’t have cap space to take on Miller’s contract, so they gave them extra draft capital for the Broncos to eat nine million dollars, leaving the Rams with a shade over $700,000 to pay Miller. That money also cost the Rams more draft capital, as they send their 2022 second and third-round picks to the Broncos. The Vikings could choose to do something similar to add a player to the team in order to make a run this year.

I'd be curious what indicates to this guy that "The Vikings have been excellent up front"?

I was scratching my head on that one too.



i was thinking this, also...trading for a solid center/guard would be nice - make cousins better, too....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2022 11:38:38 AM   
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If we don't get to the nfccg by 2023, we'll probably blow it up...might have to use jefferson as trade-up comp for drafting a quarterback....

is Jefferson going to be patient and wait until 2024 for his new deal?....

we can come up with $25mm next year by letting go of dead wood....



Barring and changes, 2024 still has mostly the same cast of characters to deal with....Cook, Smith, Theilen. Plus Za Smith. O'Neal isn't likely going anywhere.

And for 2024 the cap hits of Cousins and Hunter are currently 6th and 7th highest on the team even though they won't be under contract. A combined $24 million.



i don't see these players making it into 2023 - they, and ham, and hicks, are how we raise $30mm this offseason....


So when you said ~ get to the NFCCG by 2023, you meant Jan 2023 not the 2023 NFL season?

Unless releasing Cook, Theilen, and Smith are considered a transition type of thing vs wholesale rebuild.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2022 11:59:04 AM   
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Bottomline is the scabs that we knew were never going to fully heal are starting to fill with pus and will have to be ripped off sooner or later. Kwesi, through Dr. Brzez, could opt for multi-year ointment treatments to keep things at bay, but there will not be full healing during that time.

Anyway, chances are the scabs are safe for the time being.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2022 1:30:38 PM   
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I want to see playoff Jefferson make bank after it's all said and done.



would you trade jefferson and a couple of 1st rounders for a 'burrows type'?...that might be the type of decision we have to make....

jefferson is going to want a boatload...he won't be happy waiting forever to compete...it just might have to happen - the trade....


If the Vikings front office sees, what they believe, is a true can't miss franchise QB I would be all for it.

If you don't have a top QB talent you likely are just spinning your wheels.

Of course you would need a team at the top of the draft that don't need a QB.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2022 2:20:03 PM   
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There are a number of wrenche in the cap machine..

Cousins, cook , Thielen and Harrison Smith and two ghost players, Kendricks and Hunter.

Barr would be the ghost player. We're paying him like 9ml and he's also collecting a salary from Dallas.

just one of many boneheaded mistakes by our old regime

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2022 3:09:02 PM   
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If we don't get to the nfccg by 2023, we'll probably blow it up...might have to use jefferson as trade-up comp for drafting a quarterback....

is Jefferson going to be patient and wait until 2024 for his new deal?....

we can come up with $25mm next year by letting go of dead wood....



Barring and changes, 2024 still has mostly the same cast of characters to deal with....Cook, Smith, Theilen. Plus Za Smith. O'Neal isn't likely going anywhere.

And for 2024 the cap hits of Cousins and Hunter are currently 6th and 7th highest on the team even though they won't be under contract. A combined $24 million.



i don't see these players making it into 2023 - they, and ham, and hicks, are how we raise $30mm this offseason....


So when you said ~ get to the NFCCG by 2023, you meant Jan 2023 not the 2023 NFL season?

Unless releasing Cook, Theilen, and Smith are considered a transition type of thing vs wholesale rebuild.



i meant the 2023 season...i think we'll cut thielen, cook, ham, hicks, and possibly harrison, before next season - all to raise cap space for a refresh....

after 2023 is when we decide on cousin's future with the team, and a more substantial rebuild based on getting a QB of the future...hopefully....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/26/2022 5:35:50 PM   
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Ham is pretty much well done. Just in time for thanksgiving dinner.

3+ml cap hit?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/27/2022 5:11:54 AM   
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Ham is pretty much well done. Just in time for thanksgiving dinner.

3+ml cap hit?



i feel for the guy, and his family in sioux falls, but his 2022 contract was his lottery ticket...we can cut him and hire him back at vet minimum if o'connell wants to keep him....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/27/2022 10:03:58 AM   
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The Bears certainly didn't trade Robert Quinn to the Eagles (for a 4th) for cap reasons as they will have $125,712,326 in cap space for 2023.

Meanwhile, the Eagles still have two first round picks in 2023 and their own picks in rounds 2-3, although nada in rounds 4-6. They are 4th in cap space for this year, and by default can absorb Quinn's remaining salary.

That cap space and draft stock allowed them to acquire Quinn to keep their DL rotation going. Meanwhile, news out of Minnesota consists of a tweet with the tweeter looking into what he spewed. And in part of an article, words about our excellent DL.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/27/2022 11:11:37 AM   
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...leading a comeback earlier?

An earlier comeback? How early?

There might be some stat out there like 'Almost A Comeback' or 'Drives With A Fair Amount of Time on the Clock' or 'Pretend Comebacks'.


In the games being used as examples, it's the other QB would led the comeback.

In the category of could have been comebacks.

Do you propose that they take away the comeback from the other QB and credit it to Kirk?

Kirk stats and play at times this year suggest it's his worst statistical season but I actually think this is the best he's ever played.

I still don't think he'll ever win a Super Bowl but he seems to but more relaxed; taking more charge and playing better in the clutch.


I think you read my post backwards? There can only be one comeback at the most in a game.

Montana leading the 49ers 92 yards to a win in the SB, the epitome of a comeback. If the Bengals had come back to win, sorry Joe.


I was agreeing with you; disagreeing with those that believe they should count as comebacks for kirk.

There can be 50 comebacks in a game. Any time a team comes from behind to take the lead it's a comeback. The later in the game they happen the more significant they become. It's best if they happen with the clock expiring so the defense or special teams can't blow it. However, regardless of what happens after a comeback did happen.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/27/2022 11:13:50 AM   
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Darren Wolfson on the Scoops session on Skor North said keep an eye on the Vikings potentially trading for a "KJ Hamler, Brandin Cooks" esque WR who can stretch the field, he says he's in the process of checking if the Vikings are interested in Brandin Cooks specifically


We should have just drafted Jameson Williams instead of moving back for Cine.

Or maybe we could just use Jalen reagor in that spot we already traded for for that purpose?



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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/27/2022 11:16:11 AM   
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I want to see playoff Jefferson make bank after it's all said and done.



would you trade jefferson and a couple of 1st rounders for a 'burrows type'?...that might be the type of decision we have to make....

jefferson is going to want a boatload...he won't be happy waiting forever to compete...it just might have to happen - the trade....

We might win the Super Bowl this year. We are certainly competing.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/27/2022 11:40:40 AM   
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I want to see playoff Jefferson make bank after it's all said and done.



would you trade jefferson and a couple of 1st rounders for a 'burrows type'?...that might be the type of decision we have to make....

jefferson is going to want a boatload...he won't be happy waiting forever to compete...it just might have to happen - the trade....

We might win the Super Bowl this year. We are certainly competing.



As much as I am enjoying this season., There's nothing about this team that feels like a super bowl team

That being said, 98 and 2009 felt like super bowl teams and I was wrong

So who knows

Feels more like a Keenum year, where we can make a run but will come up short

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/27/2022 11:53:17 AM   
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I want to see playoff Jefferson make bank after it's all said and done.



would you trade jefferson and a couple of 1st rounders for a 'burrows type'?...that might be the type of decision we have to make....

jefferson is going to want a boatload...he won't be happy waiting forever to compete...it just might have to happen - the trade....

We might win the Super Bowl this year. We are certainly competing.



As much as I am enjoying this season., There's nothing about this team that feels like a super bowl team

That being said, 98 and 2009 felt like super bowl teams and I was wrong

So who knows

Feels more like a Keenum year, where we can make a run but will come up short


To compete for a Super Bowl we need to get better on pass defense and we need to solve the problem of going three-and-out so damn often.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/27/2022 12:30:06 PM   
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I want to see playoff Jefferson make bank after it's all said and done.



would you trade jefferson and a couple of 1st rounders for a 'burrows type'?...that might be the type of decision we have to make....

jefferson is going to want a boatload...he won't be happy waiting forever to compete...it just might have to happen - the trade....

We might win the Super Bowl this year. We are certainly competing.



As much as I am enjoying this season., There's nothing about this team that feels like a super bowl team

That being said, 98 and 2009 felt like super bowl teams and I was wrong

So who knows

Feels more like a Keenum year, where we can make a run but will come up short...

... in embarassing fashion

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/27/2022 2:13:26 PM   
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The Bears certainly didn't trade Robert Quinn to the Eagles (for a 4th) for cap reasons as they will have $125,712,326 in cap space for 2023.

Meanwhile, the Eagles still have two first round picks in 2023 and their own picks in rounds 2-3, although nada in rounds 4-6. They are 4th in cap space for this year, and by default can absorb Quinn's remaining salary.

That cap space and draft stock allowed them to acquire Quinn to keep their DL rotation going. Meanwhile, news out of Minnesota consists of a tweet with the tweeter looking into what he spewed. And in part of an article, words about our excellent DL.

Your must have missed our recruiting of Sasquatch by Dalvin ... which blows the Chilly-based Farve wooings out of the water.

https://twitter.com/CarlosGphoto/status/1582931409760440320
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/27/2022 2:17:00 PM   
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I want to see playoff Jefferson make bank after it's all said and done.



would you trade jefferson and a couple of 1st rounders for a 'burrows type'?...that might be the type of decision we have to make....

jefferson is going to want a boatload...he won't be happy waiting forever to compete...it just might have to happen - the trade....

We might win the Super Bowl this year. We are certainly competing.

There are only a few teams that are NOT competing for a Super Bowl this year ... at this point.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/27/2022 2:33:58 PM   
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I want to see playoff Jefferson make bank after it's all said and done.



would you trade jefferson and a couple of 1st rounders for a 'burrows type'?...that might be the type of decision we have to make....

jefferson is going to want a boatload...he won't be happy waiting forever to compete...it just might have to happen - the trade....

We might win the Super Bowl this year. We are certainly competing.



As much as I am enjoying this season., There's nothing about this team that feels like a super bowl team

That being said, 98 and 2009 felt like super bowl teams and I was wrong

So who knows

Feels more like a Keenum year, where we can make a run but will come up short

Neither the offense nor the defense (especially) are clicking like 2017.

But there is an organized barely perceptible whole that is working and outweighing the inconsistent parts.

We may get farther than any [reasonable] expectation before the season. I mean, we are there now if we can sustain it.

Getting to the NFCCG would be an absolute victory for the current regime, even a stinker NFCCG.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/27/2022 2:44:10 PM   
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But there is an organized barely perceptible whole that is working and outweighing the inconsistent parts
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That's pretty good.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/27/2022 2:58:11 PM   
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But there is an organized barely perceptible whole that is working and outweighing the inconsistent parts
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That's pretty good.



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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/27/2022 3:06:10 PM   
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But there is an organized barely perceptible whole that is working and outweighing the inconsistent parts
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That's pretty good.

sorry, you caught me flat footed. Not sure how to describe us beyond 5-1 and I get tired of using the word gestalt.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/27/2022 4:20:50 PM  3 votes
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/27/2022 5:52:01 PM   
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my predictions are that we make two trades before the deadline:

chase claypool (wr) of the steelers

austin corbett (g) of the panters

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/27/2022 5:54:31 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/28/2022 8:30:57 AM   
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It's going to be rocking. No way we don't feed on that.

Guys are going to be chomping at the bit to get a sack and pay tribute.
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