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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 11:28:37 AM   
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Trade! The #Lions are sending TE T.J. Hockenson to the #Vikings, sources tell me and @RapSheet
Minnesota sends a 2023 second-round pick and 2024 third-round pick to Detroit for Hockenson, a 2023 fourth-round pick and a 2024 conditional fourth-round pick.

hockenson is due $9.4mm in 2023....


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Sources: #Vikings are working hard to get a deal done before the trade deadline for #Texans WR Brandin Cooks. The belief is that Cooks will be a Viking by today.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 11:29:17 AM   
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Trade! The #Lions are sending TE T.J. Hockenson to the #Vikings, sources tell me and @RapSheet.

Minnesota sends a 2023 second-round pick and 2024 third-round pick to Detroit for Hockenson, a 2023 fourth-round pick and a 2024 conditional fourth-round pick.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 11:32:46 AM   
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TRADE

Tom Pelissero@TomPelissero

Trade! The #Lions are sending TE T.J. Hockenson to the #Vikings, sources tell me and
@RapSheet
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Minnesota sends a 2023 second-round pick and 2024 third-round pick to Detroit for Hockenson, a 2023 fourth-round pick and a 2024 conditional fourth-round pick.


Interesting. He's a really good player, but I hate seeing picks go to teams in our own division. Another underneath target for Kirk.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 11:38:09 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 11:39:00 AM   
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Tom Pelissero@TomPelissero

Trade! The #Lions are sending TE T.J. Hockenson to the #Vikings, sources tell me and
@RapSheet
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Minnesota sends a 2023 second-round pick and 2024 third-round pick to Detroit for Hockenson, a 2023 fourth-round pick and a 2024 conditional fourth-round pick.


Interesting. He's a really good player, but I hate seeing picks go to teams in our own division. Another underneath target for Kirk.


500k cap hit for all of 2022; 9 Million Contract next year.

Wow.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 11:39:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh what the hell. IMO it sounds like lavish draft capital but if it slakes Rat’s voracious hunger for new players … lets go with it.

What time is the trade deadline?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 11:42:00 AM   
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I wonder if we can get a 5th for Irv?



I'd settle for a 12th.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 11:42:51 AM   
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Oh what the hell. IMO it sounds like lavish draft capital but if it slakes Rat’s voracious hunger for new players … lets go with it.

What time is the trade deadline?



hey, i don't like this deal....

that $9.4mm in 2023 is the franchise tag number - his rookie deal ends this year....

i can't believe we'd give the lions a 2nd rounder for a 10-game rental - kwesi is not a great deal-maker....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 11:44:02 AM   
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I wonder if we can get a 5th for Irv?



I'd settle for a 12th.

LOL
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 11:47:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		(From early Oct vs Seattle) Hockenson recorded eight catches for 179 yards and two touchdowns.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 11:47:50 AM   
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I wonder if we can get a 5th for Irv?



I'd settle for a 12th.

LOL


His medical bills are higher than his cap hit.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 11:47:55 AM   
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Oh what the hell. IMO it sounds like lavish draft capital but if it slakes Rat’s voracious hunger for new players … lets go with it.

What time is the trade deadline?


It actually isn't that bad (draft capital) for 2023....a late 2nd for an early 4th.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 11:49:40 AM   
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Oh what the hell. IMO it sounds like lavish draft capital but if it slakes Rat’s voracious hunger for new players … lets go with it.

What time is the trade deadline?


It actually isn't that bad (draft capital) for 2023....a late 2nd for an early 4th.



2nd rounders are the sweet spot of the draft....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 11:49:58 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 11:51:43 AM   
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Oh what the hell. IMO it sounds like lavish draft capital but if it slakes Rat’s voracious hunger for new players … lets go with it.

What time is the trade deadline?


It actually isn't that bad (draft capital) for 2023....a late 2nd for an early 4th.



2nd rounders are the sweet spot of the draft....



Not low 2nd rounders ha. As of today, we'd be slotted in the 30th spot.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 11:51:54 AM   
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Oh what the hell. IMO it sounds like lavish draft capital but if it slakes Rat’s voracious hunger for new players … lets go with it.

What time is the trade deadline?


It actually isn't that bad (draft capital) for 2023....a late 2nd for an early 4th.



2nd rounders are the sweet spot of the draft....


So is the top of the 4th.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 11:53:43 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 11:53:59 AM   
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I would.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 11:54:54 AM   
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Oh what the hell. IMO it sounds like lavish draft capital but if it slakes Rat’s voracious hunger for new players … lets go with it.

What time is the trade deadline?



hey, i don't like this deal....

that $9.4mm in 2023 is the franchise tag number - his rookie deal ends this year....

i can't believe we'd give the lions a 2nd rounder for a 10-game rental - kwesi is not a great deal-maker....


We don't have to franchise him. I'd imagine the goal is to sign him to a new deal - not let him walk.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 11:56:20 AM   
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Oh what the hell. IMO it sounds like lavish draft capital but if it slakes Rat’s voracious hunger for new players … lets go with it.

What time is the trade deadline?


It actually isn't that bad (draft capital) for 2023....a late 2nd for an early 4th.



As of now, a delta of a middle 3rd rounder. Probably a 3rd with little return in 2024. So roughly a pair of 3rd rounders.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 11:57:41 AM   
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What time is the trade deadline?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 11:57:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Right now the Vikings are in line to pick 30th. The Lions are in line to pick first. Their second round pick is slated to be #61 overall. The Lions' 4th round pick is slated to be #102 overall.

The value difference between the two picks is equal to the last pick of the 6th round

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 11:57:55 AM   
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Would you be happy to get him late in the 2nd round of the draft?

I would.


he doesn't come with a 4-year rookie deal....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 11:58:08 AM   
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Oh what the hell. IMO it sounds like lavish draft capital but if it slakes Rat’s voracious hunger for new players … lets go with it.

What time is the trade deadline?



hey, i don't like this deal....

Don’t worry. Kwesi’s personnel deals … based on some unholy sabermetric formula … look filthy bad but end up smelling like irish spring commercials in the end. Whatever that means.

Nothing makes any sense.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/1/2022 12:00:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		So Spielman traded for a TE that didn't play and gave up a 4th?

Kwesi trades for a starter and gives up 6th value---Edit Middle of the Third Round Value.

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