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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 7/8/2023 2:52:17 PM   
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Gray got beat up again.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 7/8/2023 10:59:08 PM   
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Gray got beat up again.

Solid day for Joey Gallo today. 0-for-3 with three k's. Eight strikeouts in his last 11 at-bats.

At this point, he's an easy out. Arraez is batting 199 points higher.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 7/9/2023 9:59:59 AM   
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Pablo Lopez added to the All-Star roster.

López ranks second in the AL in both innings pitched (111) and strikeouts (138), third in most strikeouts per nine innings (11.189), and he's in the league's top 10 for fewest hits and walks allowed per nine. He's also one of 12 major league pitchers to throw a shutout this season.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 7/9/2023 10:08:26 AM   
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Gallo to the Gallows

Please

Yeah 15 homers blah blah blah

41% K rate is ridiculous

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 7/9/2023 10:12:17 AM  1 votes
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Gray got beat up again.

Solid day for Joey Gallo today. 0-for-3 with three k's. Eight strikeouts in his last 11 at-bats.

At this point, he's an easy out. Arraez is batting 199 points higher.

You continue to fixate on a guy who is not the problem. After this recent slump, Gallo still has an OPS of .775. Lets compare that to the following regulars...

Carlos Correa .704
Max Kepler .701
Michael A Taylor .670
Christian Vasquez .561

You continue to act like he is the guy who replaced Arraez. He isn't. Alex Kirilloff and Donovan Solano are the guys who are getting Arraez's at bats, not Gallo. Gallo is replacing players like Jake Cave and Kyle Garlick.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 7/9/2023 11:30:32 AM   
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Gray got beat up again.

Solid day for Joey Gallo today. 0-for-3 with three k's. Eight strikeouts in his last 11 at-bats.

At this point, he's an easy out. Arraez is batting 199 points higher.

You continue to fixate on a guy who is not the problem. After this recent slump, Gallo still has an OPS of .775. Lets compare that to the following regulars...

Carlos Correa .704
Max Kepler .701
Michael A Taylor .670
Christian Vasquez .561

You continue to act like he is the guy who replaced Arraez. He isn't. Alex Kirilloff and Donovan Solano are the guys who are getting Arraez's at bats, not Gallo. Gallo is replacing players like Jake Cave and Kyle Garlick.

When you get a hit 18.8% of the time, you are a shitty hitter.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 7/9/2023 5:34:06 PM   
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There is more to hitting than just average. When you get on base 30%+ of the time and hit 30+ hr, you are a decent enough hitter.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 7/9/2023 7:24:04 PM   
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Can we not only fire Mary Popkins but even with his extension, fire dumbass Rocco.
In this division, no excuse with the talent not to be > 5 games ahead at the all star break.
Contract the team.
Or sell it.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 7/9/2023 7:38:58 PM   
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The Twins took HS outfielder Walker Jenkins from North Carolina.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 7/9/2023 9:24:25 PM   
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Gray got beat up again.

Solid day for Joey Gallo today. 0-for-3 with three k's. Eight strikeouts in his last 11 at-bats.

At this point, he's an easy out. Arraez is batting 199 points higher.

You continue to fixate on a guy who is not the problem. After this recent slump, Gallo still has an OPS of .775. Lets compare that to the following regulars...

Carlos Correa .704
Max Kepler .701
Michael A Taylor .670
Christian Vasquez .561

You continue to act like he is the guy who replaced Arraez. He isn't. Alex Kirilloff and Donovan Solano are the guys who are getting Arraez's at bats, not Gallo. Gallo is replacing players like Jake Cave and Kyle Garlick.


Anything to take the focus off of Lopez, who is now apparently our best pitcher.
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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 7/9/2023 10:26:32 PM   
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Compensation round pick #34 overall is Charlee Soto, a 17-year-old RHP from Florida. He is 6'5" and has a fastball that sits at 98 mph.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 7/9/2023 10:40:28 PM   
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Second round pick is Luke Keaschall, a RH 2B from Arizona State. He makes a lot of contact and doesn't strike out much, so Brad will like him.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 7/10/2023 8:10:09 AM   
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Sunday’s series finale against the Orioles will be the Twins’ 91st game of the season, 10 games beyond the season’s mathematical halfway point. But the baseball world uses the All-Star Break as the de facto demarcation point between the first and second half.
The first half of the 2023 season has certainly been a mixed bag. On one hand, there were the highs of winning the season series against both the Yankees and Astros and, of course, the fact the Twins have, by many metrics, the best pitching staff in the game.
On the other hand, the inconsistency (to put it kindly) on offense and the underperformance of the team’s star hitters has made it difficult for the Twins to pull away from a very bad American League Central. In fact, Minnesota entered Sunday in second place -- a half game behind Cleveland.
But this halfway mark offers us a chance to look back at some performances that got the Twins to this point and assign awards and superlatives for the first three-plus months of the season.

Cy Young: Sonny Gray
Four of the team’s starting pitchers (and reliever Jhoan Duran) have solid arguments for this recognition. Pablo López ranks second in the AL in strikeouts (138), and his underlying numbers are among the league’s best. Joe Ryan’s ability to limit hits and baserunners is nearly unmatched -- and Bailey Ober matches and even surpasses him in some regards.
But there’s a reason Gray was initially the Twins’ sole All-Star on the strength of a 2.89 ERA, 101 strikeouts and 39 walks in 99 2/3 innings across 18 starts. Perhaps those outings haven’t always been the cleanest, but he has always limited the damage and avoids the homer. The 33-year-old held opponents to three or fewer runs in his first 17 starts of the season (until he allowed six to Baltimore in his final start of the half).

Offensive MVP: Donovan Solano
Hard as it may be to believe, the 35-year-old veteran, who was signed as a platoon bat after Spring Training had already begun, has somehow blossomed into the Twins’ most consistent and productive hitter. He has done it while much of the offense has totally dried up for large chunks of the year.
Armed with improved swing mechanics that help him drive the ball with more authority, Solano leads the team’s regulars in average (.285), on-base percentage (.378) and OPS (.808). He has remained steady with an .842 OPS in June and 1.253 OPS in July -- a stark contrast to many difficult at-bats around him.
The fact this didn’t go to Byron Buxton, Carlos Correa or Jorge Polanco indicates where things have gone wrong for the Twins this year.


Rookie of the Year: Edouard Julien
This is really a two-way battle between Julien, who began the season ranked the No. 4 prospect in the organization per MLB Pipeline, and Royce Lewis, who was ranked No. 2. Both have been rare bright spots on the offense. Lewis’ ability to hit for average, in particular, is a welcome contrast to the low averages across the board, but Julien gets the edge here because Lewis has missed significant time with injuries -- first, rehabbing his ACL, and now, an oblique strain.
Through 42 games filling in for the injured Polanco, Julien has been every bit the patient, opportunistic and barrel-finding hitter the Twins could have hoped he’d be. The rookie is hitting .264/.345/.473 for an .818 OPS to kick off what could be a very promising career -- if he can find the defensive ability to maintain a consistent home.

Biggest Surprise: Brock Stewart
Stewart seemingly came out of thin air in late April. Since then, he has been one of the relief corps’ most indispensable pitchers, and it’s very fair to wonder where this team would be without him.
If the season ended today, Stewart’s 0.70 ERA would be a new single-season record among Twins pitchers to make at least 25 appearances in a year. The 31-year-old started his Twins' tenure with some walk issues -- which is natural after missing so much time with arm issues. He made his return to the Majors this year after being out since 2019.
He’s currently down with forearm and elbow soreness, stemming from his upped workload, but he's likely to be a very important factor down the stretch for Minnesota.


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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 7/10/2023 8:25:36 AM   
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Compensation round pick #34 overall is Charlee Soto, a 17-year-old RHP from Florida. He is 6'5" and has a fastball that sits at 98 mph.

He's out of Reborn Christian.

Ben Leber on KFAN this morning - "Reborn Christian, that has to be the name of the town, right?"



Leber is such a meathead.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 7/10/2023 8:30:41 AM   
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#MNTwins Pablo Lopez in 2023 - 2.7 fWAR

#Marlins Luis Arraez in 2023 - 2.7 fWAR



Interesting. As we got two prospects in the trade as well.

Who got the better end of that deal again?

The problem with that is that any WAR related stat is garbage.

The value of the trade will play over years, not 3 months. The bottom line is that quality starting pitching is the hardest thing to come by. The Twins will find it a lot easier to pick up a bat at the deadline than a pitcher.

It baffles me every time I hear you dismiss WAR as a "garbage stat."

Here are the all-time WAR leaders in MLB:

1. Babe Ruth+ (22) 182.6 10627 1221.1 L
2. Walter Johnson+ (21) 165.1 2533 5914.1 R
3. Cy Young+ (22) 163.6 3104 7356.0 R
4. Barry Bonds (22) 162.8 12606 L
5. Willie Mays+ (23) 156.1 12545 R
6. Ty Cobb+ (24) 151.5 13103 5.0 L
7. Henry Aaron+ (23) 143.0 13941 R
8. Roger Clemens (24) 139.2 213 4916.2 R
9. Tris Speaker+ (22) 134.9 12020 1.0 L
10. Honus Wagner+ (21) 131.0 11766 8.1 R
11. Stan Musial+ (22) 128.6 12721 0.0 L
12. Rogers Hornsby+ (23) 127.1 9481 R
13. Eddie Collins+ (25) 124.2 12087 L
14. Ted Williams+ (19) 121.8 9792 2.0 L
15. Grover Alexander+ (20) 119.3 1981 5190.0 R
16. Alex Rodriguez (22) 117.5 12207 R
17. Kid Nichols+ (15) 116.3 2264 5067.1 B
18. Lou Gehrig+ (17) 113.8 9665 L
19. Rickey Henderson+ (25) 111.2 13346 R
20. Mel Ott+ (22) 110.9 11347 L
21. Mickey Mantle+ (18) 110.2 9910 B
22. Tom Seaver+ (20) 109.9 1552 4783.0 R
23. Frank Robinson+ (21) 107.3 11744 R
24. Nap Lajoie+ (21) 106.9 10471 R
25. Lefty Grove+ (17) 106.8 1580 3940.2 L
Mike Schmidt+ (18) 106.8 10062 R
27. Greg Maddux+ (23) 106.6 1812 5008.1 R
28. Christy Mathewson+ (17) 106.5 1900 4788.2 R
29. Albert Pujols (22) 101.5 13041 1.0 R
30. Randy Johnson+ (22) 101.1 691 4135.1 R
31. Joe Morgan+ (22) 100.4 11329 L
32. Warren Spahn+ (21) 100.0 2056 5243.2 L
33. Carl Yastrzemski+ (23) 96.5 13992 L
34. Eddie Mathews+ (17) 96.0 10101 L
35. Phil Niekro+ (24) 95.9 1707 5404.0 R
Cal Ripken Jr.+ (21) 95.9 12883 R
37. Roberto Clemente+ (18) 94.8 10212 R
38. Bert Blyleven+ (22) 94.5 514 4970.0 R
39. Cap Anson+ (27) 94.3 11331 4.0 R
40. Adrián Beltré (21) 93.5 12130 R

Sorry about the formatting. Just look at the names.

Seems like the stat does a pretty good job to me. Or is it biased towards the greatest players in history?

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 7/10/2023 9:09:41 AM   
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What a surprise. Great players had great WAR numbers. The fallacy of WAR is that rubes like you think think it is so accurate that it precisely ranks players from best to worst. You probably think that list is the definitive ranking of the greatest players in MLB history.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 7/10/2023 12:21:16 PM   
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I have to wonder, why all the hate for "Failvine?" Everything I've read and heard is the Twins have the talent to be ahead by 10 games in the division. That means Falvey and Levine have done a hell of a job putting talent on the roster.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 7/10/2023 1:48:52 PM   
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Who is drunk enough to think the Twins have the talent to be up 10 games?

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 7/10/2023 1:59:10 PM   
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Who is drunk enough to think the Twins have the talent to be up 10 games?


They should be up 5 games and in frustration, I texted Matt they should be up 10 games. SMF agreed. I guess both SMF and I were drunk.
They play in the weakest division in baseball. Cleveland has stunk it up.
Twins have had very good pitching but the hitting has been terrible.
Correa and Buxton have stunk with a few good games from each.
Twins leave a good player at St. Paul in Wallner while Kepler gets PT.
Buxton should play in the field, not all the time, but some
The immediate problem is a brain dead manager and a hitting coach that shouldn't be a hitting coach for a little league team. A manager that is still trying to understand the new rules for the game. That extra inning thing still has Rocco confused.

You don't think they have been underachievers?

And I thought they implemented a new training staff.....do these idiots not realize that one of the problems with baseball is the long periods of inactivity and then a burst of speed? As such, they have to be stretching all the times in the field in between pitches and on the bench when they are hitting.
Where is Polanco?
Where is Lewis?

To be where they are at this point in the season with the starting pitching they've had is ridiculous.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 7/10/2023 2:16:02 PM   
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Who is drunk enough to think the Twins have the talent to be up 10 games?


They should be up 5 games and in frustration, I texted Matt they should be up 10 games. SMF agreed. I guess both SMF and I were drunk.
They play in the weakest division in baseball. Cleveland has stunk it up.
Twins have had very good pitching but the hitting has been terrible.
Correa and Buxton have stunk with a few good games from each.
Twins leave a good player at St. Paul in Wallner while Kepler gets PT.
Buxton should play in the field, not all the time, but some
The immediate problem is a brain dead manager and a hitting coach that shouldn't be a hitting coach for a little league team. A manager that is still trying to understand the new rules for the game. That extra inning thing still has Rocco confused.

You don't think they have been underachievers?

And I thought they implemented a new training staff.....do these idiots not realize that one of the problems with baseball is the long periods of inactivity and then a burst of speed? As such, they have to be stretching all the times in the field in between pitches and on the bench when they are hitting.
Where is Polanco?
Where is Lewis?

To be where they are at this point in the season with the starting pitching they've had is ridiculous.



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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 7/10/2023 2:16:41 PM   
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I have to wonder, why all the hate for "Failvine?" Everything I've read and heard is the Twins have the talent to be ahead by 10 games in the division. That means Falvey and Levine have done a hell of a job putting talent on the roster.



And then putting a coaching staff in the dugout that neuters them.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 7/10/2023 2:30:53 PM   
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Kris Atteberry has a degree from Stanford in English literature.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 7/10/2023 2:32:59 PM   
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I have to wonder, why all the hate for "Failvine?" Everything I've read and heard is the Twins have the talent to be ahead by 10 games in the division. That means Falvey and Levine have done a hell of a job putting talent on the roster.



And then putting a coaching staff in the dugout that neuters them.

If Failvine think it will save their own jobs, I'm sure they will make coaching changes when necessary.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 7/10/2023 5:28:38 PM   
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Who is drunk enough to think the Twins have the talent to be up 10 games?


They should be up 5 games and in frustration, I texted Matt they should be up 10 games. SMF agreed. I guess both SMF and I were drunk.
They play in the weakest division in baseball. Cleveland has stunk it up.
Twins have had very good pitching but the hitting has been terrible.
Correa and Buxton have stunk with a few good games from each.
Twins leave a good player at St. Paul in Wallner while Kepler gets PT.
Buxton should play in the field, not all the time, but some
The immediate problem is a brain dead manager and a hitting coach that shouldn't be a hitting coach for a little league team. A manager that is still trying to understand the new rules for the game. That extra inning thing still has Rocco confused.

You don't think they have been underachievers?

And I thought they implemented a new training staff.....do these idiots not realize that one of the problems with baseball is the long periods of inactivity and then a burst of speed? As such, they have to be stretching all the times in the field in between pitches and on the bench when they are hitting.
Where is Polanco?
Where is Lewis?

To be where they are at this point in the season with the starting pitching they've had is ridiculous.

I'm not at all surprised that they are where they are despite great starting pitching. I can only blame Popkins for so much. There are too many truly awful hitters in the every day lineup. I've listed their OPS many times now. Vasquez is literally the worst hitter in baseball and he was signed to be our #1 catcher. Massive Falvine failure. Taylor and his career .677 OPS was signed to be our every day CF. Massive Falvine failure. They held on to Max Kepler and his.688 OPS as the every day RF. Massive Falvine failure. Moran & Pagan continue blow opportunities to win. Both massive Falvine failures. They kept Rocco to manage. Massive Falvine failure.

That they can't separate themselves from this division is easy to see IMO. Too many batters that are a get out of a jam free card for opposing pitchers. Too many relievers who can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. A shitty coaching staff that won't get the most out of these dregs. To Matt's initial post; Falvine deserves every bucket of shit that gets thrown their way.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 7/10/2023 5:29:24 PM   
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What a surprise. Great players had great WAR numbers. The fallacy of WAR is that rubes like you think think it is so accurate that it precisely ranks players from best to worst. You probably think that list is the definitive ranking of the greatest players in MLB history.


Yeah, Bert Blyleven is not in the top 40 greatest of all time

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