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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/24/2023 1:37:13 PM   
David Levine


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https://youtu.be/GvLyzDHU9TM

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/24/2023 2:05:48 PM   
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Mike Martz has me pretty sold on Hooker.

https://youtu.be/GvLyzDHU9TM

No kidding.

I didn't anything could sway me from a Marty gut feeling – this comes pretty dam close.
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/24/2023 2:08:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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Mike Martz has me pretty sold on Hooker.

https://youtu.be/GvLyzDHU9TM

No kidding.

I didn't anything could sway me from a Marty gut feeling – this comes pretty dam close.


Martz was not a great HC, but few know offense and the QB position better.

After finishing the video, I'm at the point now where I'll be disappointed if we don't draft him.
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/24/2023 2:22:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		A well done video by Martz, gives my gut some hope for Hooker. But experts have been wrong before.

I wonder what Martz thinks of Stroud, Levins and Richardson ?

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/24/2023 2:25:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Mike Martz has me pretty sold on Hooker.

https://youtu.be/GvLyzDHU9TM

No kidding.

I didn't anything could sway me from a Marty gut feeling – this comes pretty dam close.


Martz was not a great HC, but few know offense and the QB position better.

After finishing the video, I'm at the point now where I'll be disappointed if we don't draft him.

whoa ... slow your roll there.

The other critical evaluation tool, besides Marty's bowel function, is Kwesi's obsession with the 10 yard split.

I'm pretty sure Hendon struggled there at the combine.

DTR tied for the best time among QBs (1.51) ... so I wouldn't count him out yet.

There's also the vital name thing. According to The Nashville Ledger ... Hooker's nickname is 'Goofy'. Goofy vs. DTR ... it matters.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/24/2023 2:26:53 PM   
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BUT ... Goofy Hooker is bad-ass.
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/24/2023 2:37:12 PM   
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The other critical evaluation tool, besides Marty's bowel function, is Kwesi's obsession with the 10 yard split.

I'm pretty sure Hendon struggled there at the combine.



I hear he was pretty good for a guy on crutches...
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/24/2023 2:41:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

The other critical evaluation tool, besides Marty's bowel function, is Kwesi's obsession with the 10 yard split.

I'm pretty sure Hendon struggled there at the combine.



I hear he was pretty good for a guy on crutches...

Exactly.
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/24/2023 2:47:14 PM   
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Mike Martz has me pretty sold on Hooker.

https://youtu.be/GvLyzDHU9TM

Yes, Hooker is the real deal. We should take him if he is available at our pick.
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/24/2023 2:53:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Meh. Not that impressed with that video.

He doesn't hesitate...if his 1st read isn't there he runs...

Too robotic.
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/24/2023 3:18:21 PM   
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Meh. Not that impressed with that video.

He doesn't hesitate...if his 1st read isn't there he runs...

Too robotic.


Literally not at all what Martz said.

He kept praising how he went through his progressions. 1st, 2nd, dump off, run.

And I like how he exposed the myth about guys who go through all their progressions or read "the whole field". He said neither thing really happens. There just isn't enough time.
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/24/2023 3:41:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hooker might not be special but then again Straud, Levis, or Richardson might not be either and the latter group might set you back with the miss and the lost draft stock.

I guess I mostly want them to get their guy. It will be hard to see them stand pat and take the 5th QB and him really being the guy.
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/24/2023 4:12:00 PM   
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Meh. Not that impressed with that video.

He doesn't hesitate...if his 1st read isn't there he runs...

Too robotic.


Is that what you saw in the video?

I liked the video. Martz showed a variety of plays and situations. Even plays 'highlighting' Hooker's short dropback with Martz saying he was amazed Hooker could operate so close to the LOS.

Maybe you thought it was a highlight video.
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/24/2023 4:17:35 PM   
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/24/2023 5:01:33 PM   
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I thought it was the 1st thing Martz said.

Its a long video.

Martz seemed to be impressed with Hooker's quick decisions / lack of indecision.

Given the shortened drop back, that decisiveness was necessary. Including taking off if his reads weren't there.

At the same time, Martz also went on and on about how coolly he played with bodies flying all around him.

I don't know. I want to like Hooker, I do like Hooker lol, but is he being pushed up because of desperation at the position or was he pushed down in pre-April draftnik evaluations because of the injury?

I get the 'having to settle' perception vs. 'going after a prospect heavy'. However, given our draft position and resources (we may or may not have some trade bait, we certainly don't have a lot of draft capital to offer unless you want to gamble with a future draft or two) ... its not the worst year to gamble on a possible starter-type prospect (ie first rounder).

Last year there was one QB taken in the first (Pickett at #20) and none in the second.
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/24/2023 5:50:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Unless there is an Elway or Manning (or for some a Ryan Leaf), a QB is going to have negatives.

We need so much help on defense I don't see a trade up. We could have a lot of cap space next year to help. We'd have more except for $28.5 in dead cap to KFC. And others. Davenport for example, signed for just this year, has more cap (dead cap) next year than he does this year. It's amazing how fast Kwesi found the credit cards to burn through.

We need a lot. I'll settle for a healthy player at #23.... or more likely #31.
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/25/2023 2:52:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Is it possible Kwesi was trying to raise Levis's stock, because the Vikings are actually targeting Stroud or Richardson ?

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/25/2023 11:07:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's all just fluff. I've seen/read/heard all kinds of experts who can make you feel like "X" is the guy. We'll see what happens but I'de be shocked if we didn't trade back for picks and pick up a 2nd tier guy in the 2nd/3rd.
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/25/2023 11:35:00 AM   
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It's all just fluff. I've seen/read/heard all kinds of experts who can make you feel like "X" is the guy. We'll see what happens but I'de be shocked if we didn't trade back for picks and pick up a 2nd tier guy in the 2nd/3rd.

Yeah ... from where I'm sitting this morning, that is the most likely scenario for sure. Its been fun to talk first rd QBs ... I'm sure we have genuine interest ... but with other QB needy teams having a lot more draft capital than we have, I think it would be hard to move up period. Even in front of the Bucs who seem eager to take whichever QB is left over from the first 17 picks.

The drop off from the first 5 guys to the second tier is substantial ... and would feel like going from a possible Cousins replacement in 2024 to a potential Mullens competition in 2024 ...

Hopefully, if nothing else, we'll hit the secondary 'hard'. And go from there.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/25/2023 12:34:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Another writer is predicting the Marty plan of moving up for Richardson:

https://share.newsbreak.com/3o0oc0nd

But I am starting to warm up to Levis after reading more on him, and watching more tape than just this last season.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/25/2023 12:39:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Vikings aren't waiting until next season to draft a QB.

I don't think they want to just see what falls to them for a QB, nor will they be happy just taking a QB after a trade down.

I think the Vikings are trading UP for a QB, and I put it at:

A) Levis 30%
B) Richardson 50%
C) Stroud 10%
D) Hooker 8%
E) Young 2%

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/25/2023 1:11:10 PM   
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The Vikings aren't waiting until next season to draft a QB.

I don't think they want to just see what falls to them for a QB, nor will they be happy just taking a QB after a trade down.

I think the Vikings are trading UP for a QB, and I put it at:

A) Levis 30%
B) Richardson 50%
C) Stroud 10%
D) Hooker 8%
E) Young 2%



I think you've got it exactly backwards. I think they really covet more picks. so they will trade DOWN and take a flyer on another QB like Tune.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/25/2023 8:42:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		The odds for Levis shot up for him going number 2, after the Vikings did some talks with Houston last week.

Now the odds have shot up for Levis going #1:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2023-nfl-draft-odds-will-levis-skyrockets-as-potential-no-1-pick-bryce-young-still-favorite/

Maybe the Panthers back off of Young because of his size, and instead opt for Levis or Stroud ?

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/25/2023 9:57:13 PM   
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/25/2023 10:05:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I find the 1st round of the draft to be more exciting than the Super Bowl, because there is a chance the Vikings will be in it.

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