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ORIGINAL: fmaltes

One thing that we hear on this forum repeatedly is that the Vikings need to "tear it down" and "reboot" to get higher draft picks. Yet, when one looks at the top teams in the league, NONE of them did this. Also, historically, in the NFL at least, this has not been the approach of Super Bowl teams. Drafting well, no matter what your spot, is critical. Besides drafting talented players, drafting players that fit your offensive/defensive schemes is also essential. Unfortunately, I think the last two drafts we drafted less talented players and players that may not fit our schemes. Having a coaching staff and organization that can develop players and put them in the best place to succeed is also critical. A big concern to me is the horrible first draft of the GM. The second draft may also be weak. The Vikings simply have a less talented team this year than last year. I personally thought there were more talented players on the board each time after the first pick this year.

On Kirk Cousins, There were no realistic replacements that were actually better than him the last two years. That changes this next year with the draft. The Vikings can probably get a very good QB prospect in the 1st round. I would still keep Kirk for one more year even drafting a new QB.

For now, the best thing the Vikings can do this year is double-down on an aggressive offense and hope the defense can be an effective speed bump.

I actually think they may win the Kansas City game if they cut out the turnovers

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

The Vikes have signed former Gophers QB Tanner Morgan. Awesome!

OK. Why?

Mitch Leidner wasn't available.

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ORIGINAL: fmaltes

One thing that we hear on this forum repeatedly is that the Vikings need to "tear it down" and "reboot" to get higher draft picks. Yet, when one looks at the top teams in the league, NONE of them did this. Also, historically, in the NFL at least, this has not been the approach of Super Bowl teams. Drafting well, no matter what your spot, is critical. Besides drafting talented players, drafting players that fit your offensive/defensive schemes is also essential. Unfortunately, I think the last two drafts we drafted less talented players and players that may not fit our schemes. Having a coaching staff and organization that can develop players and put them in the best place to succeed is also critical. A big concern to me is the horrible first draft of the GM. The second draft may also be weak. The Vikings simply have a less talented team this year than last year. I personally thought there were more talented players on the board each time after the first pick this year.

On Kirk Cousins, There were no realistic replacements that were actually better than him the last two years. That changes this next year with the draft. The Vikings can probably get a very good QB prospect in the 1st round. I would still keep Kirk for one more year even drafting a new QB.

For now, the best thing the Vikings can do this year is double-down on an aggressive offense and hope the defense can be an effective speed bump.

I actually think they may win the Kansas City game if they cut out the turnovers

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ORIGINAL: fmaltes

One thing that we hear on this forum repeatedly is that the Vikings need to "tear it down" and "reboot" to get higher draft picks. Yet, when one looks at the top teams in the league, NONE of them did this. Also, historically, in the NFL at least, this has not been the approach of Super Bowl teams. Drafting well, no matter what your spot, is critical. Besides drafting talented players, drafting players that fit your offensive/defensive schemes is also essential. Unfortunately, I think the last two drafts we drafted less talented players and players that may not fit our schemes. Having a coaching staff and organization that can develop players and put them in the best place to succeed is also critical. A big concern to me is the horrible first draft of the GM. The second draft may also be weak. The Vikings simply have a less talented team this year than last year. I personally thought there were more talented players on the board each time after the first pick this year.

On Kirk Cousins, There were no realistic replacements that were actually better than him the last two years. That changes this next year with the draft. The Vikings can probably get a very good QB prospect in the 1st round. I would still keep Kirk for one more year even drafting a new QB.

For now, the best thing the Vikings can do this year is double-down on an aggressive offense and hope the defense can be an effective speed bump.

I actually think they may win the Kansas City game if they cut out the turnovers

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: fmaltes

One thing that we hear on this forum repeatedly is that the Vikings need to "tear it down" and "reboot" to get higher draft picks. Yet, when one looks at the top teams in the league, NONE of them did this. Also, historically, in the NFL at least, this has not been the approach of Super Bowl teams. Drafting well, no matter what your spot, is critical. Besides drafting talented players, drafting players that fit your offensive/defensive schemes is also essential. Unfortunately, I think the last two drafts we drafted less talented players and players that may not fit our schemes. Having a coaching staff and organization that can develop players and put them in the best place to succeed is also critical. A big concern to me is the horrible first draft of the GM. The second draft may also be weak. The Vikings simply have a less talented team this year than last year. I personally thought there were more talented players on the board each time after the first pick this year.
On Kirk Cousins, There were no realistic replacements that were actually better than him the last two years. That changes this next year with the draft. The Vikings can probably get a very good QB prospect in the 1st round. I would still keep Kirk for one more year even drafting a new QB.
For now, the best thing the Vikings can do this year is double-down on an aggressive offense and hope the defense can be an effective speed bump.
I actually think they may win the Kansas City game if they cut out the turnovers

That's not necessarily true.
In 2000 the Patriots went 5-11. In the 2001 draft they got Richard Seymour and Matt Light. They won the Super Bowl in 2001 and obviously many more years.
In 2010 the Denver Broncos went 4-12. In 2011 they drafted Von Miller. They won the Super Bowl in 2015
In 2012 the Chiefs went 2-14. In 2013 they got Andy Reid as a new coach and drafted Eric Fisher and Travis Kelce. They won the Super Bowl in 2019
In 2016 the Rams went 4-12. In 2017 they drafted Cooper Kupp. They won the Super Bowl in 2021.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: fmaltes

One thing that we hear on this forum repeatedly is that the Vikings need to "tear it down" and "reboot" to get higher draft picks. Yet, when one looks at the top teams in the league, NONE of them did this. Also, historically, in the NFL at least, this has not been the approach of Super Bowl teams. Drafting well, no matter what your spot, is critical. Besides drafting talented players, drafting players that fit your offensive/defensive schemes is also essential. Unfortunately, I think the last two drafts we drafted less talented players and players that may not fit our schemes. Having a coaching staff and organization that can develop players and put them in the best place to succeed is also critical. A big concern to me is the horrible first draft of the GM. The second draft may also be weak. The Vikings simply have a less talented team this year than last year. I personally thought there were more talented players on the board each time after the first pick this year.
On Kirk Cousins, There were no realistic replacements that were actually better than him the last two years. That changes this next year with the draft. The Vikings can probably get a very good QB prospect in the 1st round. I would still keep Kirk for one more year even drafting a new QB.
For now, the best thing the Vikings can do this year is double-down on an aggressive offense and hope the defense can be an effective speed bump.
I actually think they may win the Kansas City game if they cut out the turnovers

That's not necessarily true.
In 2000 the Patriots went 5-11. In the 2001 draft they got Richard Seymour and Matt Light. They won the Super Bowl in 2001 and obviously many more years.
In 2010 the Denver Broncos went 4-12. In 2011 they drafted Von Miller. They won the Super Bowl in 2015
In 2012 the Chiefs went 2-14. In 2013 they got Andy Reid as a new coach and drafted Eric Fisher and Travis Kelce. They won the Super Bowl in 2019
In 2016 the Rams went 4-12. In 2017 they drafted Cooper Kupp. They won the Super Bowl in 2021.

You picked 4 teams that have a great history.....how many coaches did the Lions, Texans, Jets, Bears, Bills, Giants, and Jaguars go thru? Agreeing to be a coach or gm on a forced rebuild or tank job is like being a pawn for eviction night on Big Brother.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: fmaltes

One thing that we hear on this forum repeatedly is that the Vikings need to "tear it down" and "reboot" to get higher draft picks. Yet, when one looks at the top teams in the league, NONE of them did this. Also, historically, in the NFL at least, this has not been the approach of Super Bowl teams. Drafting well, no matter what your spot, is critical. Besides drafting talented players, drafting players that fit your offensive/defensive schemes is also essential. Unfortunately, I think the last two drafts we drafted less talented players and players that may not fit our schemes. Having a coaching staff and organization that can develop players and put them in the best place to succeed is also critical. A big concern to me is the horrible first draft of the GM. The second draft may also be weak. The Vikings simply have a less talented team this year than last year. I personally thought there were more talented players on the board each time after the first pick this year.
On Kirk Cousins, There were no realistic replacements that were actually better than him the last two years. That changes this next year with the draft. The Vikings can probably get a very good QB prospect in the 1st round. I would still keep Kirk for one more year even drafting a new QB.
For now, the best thing the Vikings can do this year is double-down on an aggressive offense and hope the defense can be an effective speed bump.
I actually think they may win the Kansas City game if they cut out the turnovers

That's not necessarily true.
In 2000 the Patriots went 5-11. In the 2001 draft they got Richard Seymour and Matt Light. They won the Super Bowl in 2001 and obviously many more years.
In 2010 the Denver Broncos went 4-12. In 2011 they drafted Von Miller. They won the Super Bowl in 2015
In 2012 the Chiefs went 2-14. In 2013 they got Andy Reid as a new coach and drafted Eric Fisher and Travis Kelce. They won the Super Bowl in 2019
In 2016 the Rams went 4-12. In 2017 they drafted Cooper Kupp. They won the Super Bowl in 2021.

You picked 4 teams that have a great history.....how many coaches did the Lions, Texans, Jets, Bears, Bills, Giants, and Jaguars go thru? Agreeing to be a coach or gm on a forced rebuild or tank job is like being a pawn for eviction night on Big Brother.

You picked several teams with lousy histories to argue your point that he picked several teams with great histories.

And I'd take the Giants history.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: fmaltes

One thing that we hear on this forum repeatedly is that the Vikings need to "tear it down" and "reboot" to get higher draft picks. Yet, when one looks at the top teams in the league, NONE of them did this. Also, historically, in the NFL at least, this has not been the approach of Super Bowl teams. Drafting well, no matter what your spot, is critical. Besides drafting talented players, drafting players that fit your offensive/defensive schemes is also essential. Unfortunately, I think the last two drafts we drafted less talented players and players that may not fit our schemes. Having a coaching staff and organization that can develop players and put them in the best place to succeed is also critical. A big concern to me is the horrible first draft of the GM. The second draft may also be weak. The Vikings simply have a less talented team this year than last year. I personally thought there were more talented players on the board each time after the first pick this year.
On Kirk Cousins, There were no realistic replacements that were actually better than him the last two years. That changes this next year with the draft. The Vikings can probably get a very good QB prospect in the 1st round. I would still keep Kirk for one more year even drafting a new QB.
For now, the best thing the Vikings can do this year is double-down on an aggressive offense and hope the defense can be an effective speed bump.
I actually think they may win the Kansas City game if they cut out the turnovers

That's not necessarily true.
In 2000 the Patriots went 5-11. In the 2001 draft they got Richard Seymour and Matt Light. They won the Super Bowl in 2001 and obviously many more years.
In 2010 the Denver Broncos went 4-12. In 2011 they drafted Von Miller. They won the Super Bowl in 2015
In 2012 the Chiefs went 2-14. In 2013 they got Andy Reid as a new coach and drafted Eric Fisher and Travis Kelce. They won the Super Bowl in 2019
In 2016 the Rams went 4-12. In 2017 they drafted Cooper Kupp. They won the Super Bowl in 2021.

You picked 4 teams that have a great history.....how many coaches did the Lions, Texans, Jets, Bears, Bills, Giants, and Jaguars go thru? Agreeing to be a coach or gm on a forced rebuild or tank job is like being a pawn for eviction night on Big Brother.

You picked several teams with lousy histories to argue your point that he picked several teams with great histories.

And I'd take the Giants history.

Of course you would; you want to tank. Hire back Les Steckel and a shit GM then.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: fmaltes

One thing that we hear on this forum repeatedly is that the Vikings need to "tear it down" and "reboot" to get higher draft picks. Yet, when one looks at the top teams in the league, NONE of them did this. Also, historically, in the NFL at least, this has not been the approach of Super Bowl teams. Drafting well, no matter what your spot, is critical. Besides drafting talented players, drafting players that fit your offensive/defensive schemes is also essential. Unfortunately, I think the last two drafts we drafted less talented players and players that may not fit our schemes. Having a coaching staff and organization that can develop players and put them in the best place to succeed is also critical. A big concern to me is the horrible first draft of the GM. The second draft may also be weak. The Vikings simply have a less talented team this year than last year. I personally thought there were more talented players on the board each time after the first pick this year.
On Kirk Cousins, There were no realistic replacements that were actually better than him the last two years. That changes this next year with the draft. The Vikings can probably get a very good QB prospect in the 1st round. I would still keep Kirk for one more year even drafting a new QB.
For now, the best thing the Vikings can do this year is double-down on an aggressive offense and hope the defense can be an effective speed bump.
I actually think they may win the Kansas City game if they cut out the turnovers

That's not necessarily true.
In 2000 the Patriots went 5-11. In the 2001 draft they got Richard Seymour and Matt Light. They won the Super Bowl in 2001 and obviously many more years.
In 2010 the Denver Broncos went 4-12. In 2011 they drafted Von Miller. They won the Super Bowl in 2015
In 2012 the Chiefs went 2-14. In 2013 they got Andy Reid as a new coach and drafted Eric Fisher and Travis Kelce. They won the Super Bowl in 2019
In 2016 the Rams went 4-12. In 2017 they drafted Cooper Kupp. They won the Super Bowl in 2021.

You picked 4 teams that have a great history.....how many coaches did the Lions, Texans, Jets, Bears, Bills, Giants, and Jaguars go thru? Agreeing to be a coach or gm on a forced rebuild or tank job is like being a pawn for eviction night on Big Brother.

You picked several teams with lousy histories to argue your point that he picked several teams with great histories.

And I'd take the Giants history.

Of course you would; you want to tank. Hire back Les Steckel and a shit GM then.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

The Vikes have signed former Gophers QB Tanner Morgan. Awesome!

OK. Why?

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

The Vikes have signed former Gophers QB Tanner Morgan. Awesome!

OK. Why?

To back up C.J. Ham.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Geez I point out some instances where a bad record led to some key draft picks which led to a Super Bowl as a counterpoint to the idea that it had NEVER worked ever... and seven posts later I'm used as an example of who a team should hire as a head coach if that team wanted to tank. That escalated quickly.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.
Geez I point out some instances where a bad record led to some key draft picks which led to a Super Bowl as a counterpoint to the idea that it had NEVER worked ever... and seven posts later I'm used as an example of who a team should hire as a head coach if that team wanted to tank. That escalated quickly.

Yeah I gave up following his so-called thought process. But as the GM to your HC in his bizarro world, we're tanking so either get on board or don't let the door hit you on your way out.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.
Geez I point out some instances where a bad record led to some key draft picks which led to a Super Bowl as a counterpoint to the idea that it had NEVER worked ever... and seven posts later I'm used as an example of who a team should hire as a head coach if that team wanted to tank. That escalated quickly.

Yeah I gave up following his so-called thought process. But as the GM to your HC in his bizarro world, we're tanking so either get on board or don't let the door hit you on your way out.

You know the point...did you want the best HC and GM possible in 2022? Shouldn't have fired Spielman and Zimmer if tanking was needed. Things would have imploded like you wanted.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.
Geez I point out some instances where a bad record led to some key draft picks which led to a Super Bowl as a counterpoint to the idea that it had NEVER worked ever... and seven posts later I'm used as an example of who a team should hire as a head coach if that team wanted to tank. That escalated quickly.

Yeah I gave up following his so-called thought process. But as the GM to your HC in his bizarro world, we're tanking so either get on board or don't let the door hit you on your way out.

You know the point...did you want the best HC and GM possible in 2022? Shouldn't have fired Spielman and Zimmer if tanking was needed. Things would have imploded like you wanted.

Wake up Rip Van Riewer, it's not 2022 and your clients Spielman and Zimmer are long gone. But keep moving the goalposts like it's 1999!

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.
Geez I point out some instances where a bad record led to some key draft picks which led to a Super Bowl as a counterpoint to the idea that it had NEVER worked ever... and seven posts later I'm used as an example of who a team should hire as a head coach if that team wanted to tank. That escalated quickly.

Yeah I gave up following his so-called thought process. But as the GM to your HC in his bizarro world, we're tanking so either get on board or don't let the door hit you on your way out.

You know the point...did you want the best HC and GM possible in 2022? Shouldn't have fired Spielman and Zimmer if tanking was needed. Things would have imploded like you wanted.

Wake up Rip Van Riewer, it's not 2022 and your clients Spielman and Zimmer are long gone. But keep moving the goalposts like it's 1999!

A goal posts move would be to advocate a tank after you push to hire top 3 HC and GM in 2022 and say you are for winning. Having a tough time justifying it now in your brain Mr. Tank Bill?

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

The Vikes have signed former Gophers QB Tanner Morgan. Awesome!

OK. Why?

Mitch Leidner wasn't available.

I realize it's only PS but this makes me really question KOC's ability to find the right guy. Dude had, arguably..... top 5 Oline, great RB's and NFL level WR's for years and still was, at best, average. No mobility, weak arm ect. He was a good leader to be fair.