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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/9/2023 6:27:17 PM

kevinemmer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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I've been very impressed by Addison's combination of hands, route running and speed. He looks good. Speed seems to be his thing! ; )

Me too. But having him try to block on a screen was a big fail yesterday...

No doubt at all he should be #2 over Osborne,
but that was the 2nd huge fail blocking on a screen.

Hey KOC, you might try someone else to block on that, it's obviously not his thing.
(kinda like you and managing timeouts, getting the play in quickly, and dumb challenges)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/9/2023 6:31:19 PM

kevinemmer

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Looking like we can't blame the Oline this week:
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How the Vikings offensive linemen ranked among their respective positions in week 5 (
@PFF
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Christian Darrisaw: 1st (of 67 tackles)
Garrett Bradbury: 2nd (of 32 centers)
Ezra Cleveland: 6th (of 67 guards)
Ed Ingram: 10th (of 67 guards)
Brian O'Neill: 31st (of 67 tackles)

Cleveland let a guy go by him early like he owed him a favor for a sack. I learned today that he was just supposed to chip him but Kirk called the slide to the wrong side so it wasn't even Cleveland's fault.

Glad (sort of) to hear that JJ; Ezra looked silly on that play, but it was Chris Jones...
I don't trust PFF Grades even a little.

Put Risner in for either Guard and I would wager we are instantly better in Pass Pro, especially sitting Ingram.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/9/2023 7:01:07 PM

Todd M

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Our offense looks pretty good. We have a ton of pieces on offense.

I think 8/11 starters are pre KOM.

Defense has more his stamp on it so we have that going for us.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/9/2023 7:08:31 PM

Dave Odle

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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Our offense looks pretty good. We have a ton of pieces on offense.

I think 8/11 starters are pre KOM.

Defense has more his stamp on it so we have that going for us.

Yeah, that sucks. I'm just kind of building back into following again. We seem to show flashes, but then we sputter. I'm by no means an expert anymore.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/9/2023 7:17:33 PM

Dave Odle

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I thought Brian Flores would be a real difference maker for our defense. I guess it could still materialize over the course of the offseason, draft, then next year.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/9/2023 7:29:13 PM

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Just some thoughts:

1) The defense is still nowhere good enough but at least they *look* more competitive than last year? I think almost all the stats back that up and they've played 3 pretty explosive offenses. Just very talent deficient (Kyle Hamilton or Jordan Davis would look pretty good right now)

2) PFF is not the gospel but through 5 games the Vikes OL is number 2 run pass blocking and number 1 run blocking??? I'm very very skeptical but even if they're off by 10 spots, that puts them well within average to good territory

3) Which means there is something systemically wrong here. I think it has to do with a) catastrophic turnovers, drops, misplays etc at the worst possible times (mostly fumbles) and b) Cousins being a statue. In my eye test, I thought he was much improved at pocket presence and poise last year compared to 2018-21. 2023 Cousins looks like he has regressed combined with aging 20 years.

4) Alexander Mattison needs to be a backup. Why you pick up Akers - who clearly has more juice - just to sit him while Mattison continues to bumble, drop, fumble - is beyond me.

5) Paying whatever it is we're paying to Hockenson and Oliver to do whatever it is they did yesterday is beyond depressing. Some of Hockenson's catches were tough but geez is it too much to ask for the highest paid TE in football to make ONE of them??

6) I haven't felt less optimistic since 2013. I have no idea what the plan is here. Hunter is gone after this year. I honestly am not sure about Jefferson re-signing at this pojnt, and not sure he would want to? This looks like a 2 year rebuild minimum to me. And I am not even close to confident they have the FO/coaching guys in place to do that.

7) That said, hit on a QB next year and things can change quickly. A lot to fill in around the edges but that's so much easier if you have the right QB in place.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/9/2023 10:03:30 PM

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I wonder if the Raiders will cut Carlson after tonight's game?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/9/2023 10:30:22 PM

David Levine

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I think he’s safe with a blocked 53 yarder and a 52 that hit the upright for his only misses on the year so far.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/10/2023 7:00:57 AM

jbusse

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quote:

ORIGINAL: paulgly

Just some thoughts:

1) The defense is still nowhere good enough but at least they *look* more competitive than last year? I think almost all the stats back that up and they've played 3 pretty explosive offenses. Just very talent deficient (Kyle Hamilton or Jordan Davis would look pretty good right now)

2) PFF is not the gospel but through 5 games the Vikes OL is number 2 run pass blocking and number 1 run blocking??? I'm very very skeptical but even if they're off by 10 spots, that puts them well within average to good territory

3) Which means there is something systemically wrong here. I think it has to do with a) catastrophic turnovers, drops, misplays etc at the worst possible times (mostly fumbles) and b) Cousins being a statue. In my eye test, I thought he was much improved at pocket presence and poise last year compared to 2018-21. 2023 Cousins looks like he has regressed combined with aging 20 years.

4) Alexander Mattison needs to be a backup. Why you pick up Akers - who clearly has more juice - just to sit him while Mattison continues to bumble, drop, fumble - is beyond me.

5) Paying whatever it is we're paying to Hockenson and Oliver to do whatever it is they did yesterday is beyond depressing. Some of Hockenson's catches were tough but geez is it too much to ask for the highest paid TE in football to make ONE of them??

6) I haven't felt less optimistic since 2013. I have no idea what the plan is here. Hunter is gone after this year. I honestly am not sure about Jefferson re-signing at this pojnt, and not sure he would want to? This looks like a 2 year rebuild minimum to me. And I am not even close to confident they have the FO/coaching guys in place to do that.

7) That said, hit on a QB next year and things can change quickly. A lot to fill in around the edges but that's so much easier if you have the right QB in place.

2013 was something else. High level of incompetence among the decision makers. More than any other year, I felt like they were treating the fanbase like we were idiots.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/10/2023 7:23:04 AM

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I have NEVER cheered against the Vikings, but that may change with the Chicago game.

This season is a failure, I can't see this team going anywhere, and the best thing for the long term would be to get a top QB, and losing out the rest of their games should give them a chance to do that.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/10/2023 7:27:42 AM

Phil Riewer

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His hammy must be bad.

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Justin Jefferson to the IR. This sucks.

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More on the breaking news from
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/10/2023 7:45:29 AM

Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Dave Odle

I've been very impressed by Addison's combination of hands, route running and speed. He looks good. Speed seems to be his thing! ; )

Me too. But having him try to block on a screen was a big fail yesterday...

No doubt at all he should be #2 over Osborne,
but that was the 2nd huge fail blocking on a screen.

Hey KOC, you might try someone else to block on that, it's obviously not his thing.
(kinda like you and managing timeouts, getting the play in quickly, and dumb challenges)

Addison should be the guy you throw to and the better blocker Osborn blocking. That's on O'Connell. Maybe bring up Harry from the PS and have him block on those types of plays.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/10/2023 7:47:27 AM

Bill Jandro

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With JJ out for 4 games I guess we'll see what O'Connell is made of.

I think we're going to look like the little train engine that couldn't.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/10/2023 8:03:13 AM

Todd M

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Hello 1-8.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/10/2023 8:04:07 AM

Phil Riewer

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Two moves that should be made right away are trading away Jordan Hicks to Buffalo and Ezra Cleveland to a team wanting a Tackle.

Buffalo lost their MLB to a knee injury in England.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/10/2023 8:05:45 AM

Todd M

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Burn it all to the ground.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/10/2023 8:20:14 AM

Phil Riewer

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Burn it all to the ground.

There are maybe 3 teams that would want Kirk (Atlanta, TB, NYJ).

5 easiest trades are Davenport, Hunter, Hicks, Smith, Cleveland. All on 1-2 year deals. Could probably throw in the blocking TE also. Going to be an interesting 2-3 weeks.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/10/2023 8:49:37 AM

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Burn it all to the ground.

Gonna get interesting

edit: maybe that's the wrong word

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/10/2023 8:54:09 AM

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I would have damn near everybody on the trading block

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/10/2023 9:07:44 AM

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This season just gets better and better...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/10/2023 9:16:20 AM

Todd M

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I would have damn near everybody on the trading block

The thing that scares me is KOM being the one that has to put it all back together again.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/10/2023 9:21:32 AM 1 votes

David F.

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The chickens have come home to roost. This season is the end result of countless decisions made with the intent to patch things together, keep the roster "competitive", keep fan favorites, and have absolutely ZERO vision for the future. Congratulations Minnesota Vikings, you won, on average, a few more games than you lost in the regular season. You achieved the barest of minimum postseason success. You are the epitome of "pretty good" in a league where greatness continues to eat your lunch while banging your wife. I'm with Todd, burn this god-awful shitshow to the ground and build with a true vision. Let some other team sign all the "nice guys" that seem just like normal people. Sign me some stone cold killers.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/10/2023 9:31:59 AM

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I would have damn near everybody on the trading block

The thing that scares me is KOM being the one that has to put it all back together again.

KOM was always going to get 1 Shot at QBOTF, I doubt he gets two.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/10/2023 9:39:49 AM

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Future decisions remain in the hands of a pair of shady and criminal real estate investors/property managers and a former commodities trader.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/10/2023 9:40:42 AM

Todd M

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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I would have damn near everybody on the trading block

The thing that scares me is KOM being the one that has to put it all back together again.

KOM was always going to get 1 Shot at QBOTF, I doubt he gets two.

Guessing at the future and taking a peak at the 2024 class the Kwesi I’m smarter than everyone special will be trading down from a top pick and taking oft injured Penix Jr bc analytics say what a bargain if he stays healthy.

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