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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/6/2023 9:43:54 AM   
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For me the game recaptured some of the flukiness of last year that I thought had evaporated, especially the first 3-4 games this season.

The outcome just didnt seem likely at all … right up to the final td pass. Amazing.

Like last year, I still don’t have a clue how good this team is … the current win streak aside. Unlike last year, the defense is notching up a bit … might not have the horses to be downright good but they are improved, more competitive, less predictable … more legitimate. OL too.

I think the Keenum comparisons are spot on … what we lose in KCs steady production has a chance be balanced out by our backup’s escapability and feistiness under the gun. A long way to know that, Dobbs and the team get a lot of credit for overcoming some real bad gaffes … but ATL didn’t hurt us like a decent team probably would either.

T least the season isnt lost … one game in from losing the entrenched starter and there’s still some hope.

Defense is light years better.

It will be interesting to see if KOC does more RPO with a full week of practice for Dobbs. Plus Dobbs will have more of a handle on quick hitting routes. He held the ball quite a long time and then had to make the great runs.


RPO may not be the best due to what our depth is at QB. Dobbs does seem to do pretty good in the pocket outside of holding the ball a little too long but if you can roll him out it does give the defense a different look.

Yeah, maybe just keep under center and play action for the most part.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/6/2023 9:43:57 AM   
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If we’re going to improve the running game it’s going to come from scheming and better blocking. I’m not sure you could plug in a RB that has success with the # of cast off plays I call them. 4 to 6 yards rarely happen and a lot of the runs up the middle yield -1 to 1 yard.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/6/2023 9:46:54 AM   
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If we’re going to improve the running game it’s going to come from scheming and better blocking. I’m not sure you could plug in a RB that has success with the # of cast off plays I call them. 4 to 6 yards rarely happen and a lot of the runs up the middle yield -1 to 1 yard.

We are 9 games into it. I think we are what we are for the most part. Oline is better at pass blocking than run blocking.

Maybe the threat of a running QB could open things up a little bit.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/6/2023 10:02:18 AM   
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Yeap. Might be too late but it's clear that our "run game" needs to come from reverses, screens, quick hitting passes ect. We don't have the personnel for a traditional run game.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/6/2023 10:04:30 AM   
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Also, regarding the RPO. Not sure we'll ever really know but my guess is that KOC told Dobbs to hand it off no matter what.

I think it was DL that mentioned earlier that we had no emergency QB. Dobbs was it. My guess is that he didn't have the green light to keep it. What I saw though, if he did keep it, there were 2 or 3 times where he had acreage to run in to. Bodes well for the future.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/6/2023 10:19:48 AM   
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My $0.02:

What a fun game to experience and to get the win! Happy for the guys who really gutted it out and played hard. From Hockenson to Addison to the entire defense (IMHO) - they left it all out there!

Dobbs started off super shaky but so many big plays! He may not have all of the intricacies of the playbook like KFC has, but the added dimension of mobility was huge - and the difference. And think about the guys who made big plays: Jackson, Mattison as a receiver, Powell, Mundt, Queesenberry.....Dobbs!!

I penalty for 4 yards!

The run game was atrocious. Wow. So bad.

I thought (again) the refs were pretty horrible. There were two plays where Hock was clearly held/interfered with....not flag. And in an early drive, the LT for ATL clearly went before the snap - big play for them and no flag.

Liked Dobbs' composure. Kept his eyes downfield, even when moving around.

The defense kept us in that game early - big time. That was a nice change from last year!

Great TEAM win - keep it up boys!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/6/2023 10:38:44 AM   
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Holy ****, I just saw an endzone shot of KJ getting hammered to the front and back of the helmet on the catch - wow!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/6/2023 10:47:30 AM   
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Holy ****, I just saw an endzone shot of KJ getting hammered to the front and back of the helmet on the catch - wow!


Loved everything about yesterday. One of the most enjoyable games to watch I've ever seen. What Dobb's did was borderline miraculous with the amount of preparation time he had and his unfamiliarity with everything. One thing that bears watching however was his tendency to lead receivers into the defense by throwing high and behind. . He got some of his guys lit up yesterday. If that ball to KJ is in the right place KJ could have defended himself by going down. Likewise there were several to Hock, and some of the other receivers that put them in harms way. I don't think anyone was holding anything against him yesterday, but that is something that no receiver likes and will get him in trouble if it continues.

This also pointed out an underrated aspect of Cousins. He almost never did that. 15-20 years ago, before the NFL changed all the rules, that was an absolute no-no as you would get guys killed. Even now it can still get guys killed, but you will at least draw a penalty. That KJ hit was downright scary. I wasn't sure he was getting up.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/6/2023 11:55:19 AM   
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Holy ****, I just saw an endzone shot of KJ getting hammered to the front and back of the helmet on the catch - wow!


Loved everything about yesterday. One of the most enjoyable games to watch I've ever seen. What Dobb's did was borderline miraculous with the amount of preparation time he had and his unfamiliarity with everything. One thing that bears watching however was his tendency to lead receivers into the defense by throwing high and behind. . He got some of his guys lit up yesterday. If that ball to KJ is in the right place KJ could have defended himself by going down. Likewise there were several to Hock, and some of the other receivers that put them in harms way. I don't think anyone was holding anything against him yesterday, but that is something that no receiver likes and will get him in trouble if it continues.

This also pointed out an underrated aspect of Cousins. He almost never did that. 15-20 years ago, before the NFL changed all the rules, that was an absolute no-no as you would get guys killed. Even now it can still get guys killed, but you will at least draw a penalty. That KJ hit was downright scary. I wasn't sure he was getting up.


I pointed that one out as it happened. Hopefully as he settles in his ball placment will get a lot better. The two TD throws, and the sideline pass to Addison were terrific, but he hung KJ out to dry on that one.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/6/2023 12:21:58 PM   
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Ari Meirov@MySportsUpdate

#Vikings QB Josh Dobbs was still trying to make it back to the locker room when HC Kevin O'Connell was making his speech.

"When he walks in here, let's make sure we let him hear it."

... And then he ran in and the team went crazy. This is awesome.


https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1721333588686241809
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/6/2023 12:23:20 PM   
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Holy ****, I just saw an endzone shot of KJ getting hammered to the front and back of the helmet on the catch - wow!


Loved everything about yesterday. One of the most enjoyable games to watch I've ever seen. What Dobb's did was borderline miraculous with the amount of preparation time he had and his unfamiliarity with everything. One thing that bears watching however was his tendency to lead receivers into the defense by throwing high and behind. . He got some of his guys lit up yesterday. If that ball to KJ is in the right place KJ could have defended himself by going down. Likewise there were several to Hock, and some of the other receivers that put them in harms way. I don't think anyone was holding anything against him yesterday, but that is something that no receiver likes and will get him in trouble if it continues.

This also pointed out an underrated aspect of Cousins. He almost never did that. 15-20 years ago, before the NFL changed all the rules, that was an absolute no-no as you would get guys killed. Even now it can still get guys killed, but you will at least draw a penalty. That KJ hit was downright scary. I wasn't sure he was getting up.


I pointed that one out as it happened. Hopefully as he settles in his ball placment will get a lot better. The two TD throws, and the sideline pass to Addison were terrific, but he hung KJ out to dry on that one.

The one to Hock at the end was terrific too. It was a pretty good play by the defender on a rewatch. I was a bit hard on him when I thought he dropped it.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/6/2023 12:25:31 PM   
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Ari Meirov@MySportsUpdate

#Vikings QB Josh Dobbs was still trying to make it back to the locker room when HC Kevin O'Connell was making his speech.

"When he walks in here, let's make sure we let him hear it."

... And then he ran in and the team went crazy. This is awesome.


https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1721333588686241809

Good stuff. Seems like they're riding high! Can't wait to see how we look against the Saints.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/6/2023 12:27:38 PM   
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Holy ****, I just saw an endzone shot of KJ getting hammered to the front and back of the helmet on the catch - wow!

Seemed like I saw a bit more dirty hitting from ATL than I've seen in a while. Reminded me of 80s football.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/6/2023 12:48:32 PM   
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I was in the air for the entirety of the game so missed the whole thing. Been catching up watching as many recaps, highlights, etc as I can.

Dobbs. I don't see how we could have gotten a better midseason emergency QB. Well done. That doesn't mean he's flawless by any means. I'm fully aware of the clunker plays. He is limited, and still will be even once he does know the offense. But he keeps his head and has some competitive drive to him. And he seems very intelligent and able to deal with whatever is thrown at him.

And let's not forget Addisons sideline catch in the final drive. Wow. Go up high, getting hit and still managing to get both toes in and maintain possession. Addison is a flat out star. Can't wait until JJ is back paired up with him again.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/6/2023 1:13:51 PM   
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Outstanding article on Dobbs at The Athletic today. Hits a lot of the talking points we've all seen, but a lot more depth.

Josh Dobbs lifts Vikings in thrilling victory over Falcons mere days after arrival

Hall participated in all of the first-team reps in practice. He met frequently with quarterbacks coach Chris O’Hara. Minnesota believed he could manage the operation, and Hall was off to a promising start before his head bounced off the turf on a tackle by Falcons cornerback Jeff Okudah on the second drive of the game.

Dobbs observed the hit and initially worried for his new teammate. Realizing the severity, he stood and began to throw. He circled up with the Vikings offensive linemen to go over their five most oft-used cadences. He practiced snaps with Bradbury for the first time. He reviewed some of the Vikings’ priority play calls with O’Hara.

Time blurred, and before he knew it, he was on the field, shrugging off tacklers, escaping pockets and listening to Kevin O’Connell map out plays in his ear. Through the crackling microphones, O’Connell described how Dobbs needed to drop back, where the primary reads were going to be, which routes would be happening on the left and which routes receivers would be running on the right. In fact, Dobbs said, the coach was using language that Dobbs had become accustomed to in previous systems to translate into what was necessary Sunday.

“It’s like if you were taking AP Spanish all year and you showed up and on Wednesday somebody said you had an AP French exam on Sunday,” Dobbs said. “Somebody is going to talk to you in Spanish and translate it to the French. That’s kinda what was going on out there.”

*****

No matter what was happening around him — safeties, fumbles, defensive breakdowns — Dobbs wasn’t shaken. He had been sacked before. He had turned the ball over before. He had been traded before. He had also engineered game-winning drives before, including one that will live forever in Tennessee lore when he completed a 43-yard Hail Mary to Jauan Jennings to win at Georgia in 2016.

Facing a fourth-and-7 Sunday, with the pocket collapsing, Dobbs teleported his way through the bodies and scampered for a first down. And then, in the red zone, with O’Connell feeding him information in his helmet about the Falcons’ tendency to play Cover 4 in the red zone, Dobbs shifted his eyes to the right, then found wide receiver Brandon Powell in the end zone for the go-ahead score.

Powell spiked the football in celebration. O’Connell fist-pumped aggressively, then spiked his headset in glee. Dobbs flexed, screamed, absorbed the energy of it all.

“I know he’s very, very smart,” O’Connell said. “But I can tell you that what he was able to do in five days time was as impressive of what I’ve seen a quarterback do to come here against that defense and find a way.”

*****

O’Connell could barely speak at his news conference. His voice sounded like it was made of gravel, strained to the limits by his on-the-fly, in-game install sessions as Dobbs moved from one play to the next.

“As you can hear, I (used) this quite a bit,” he said, pointing to his throat.

He talked about Dobbs. About the command, about the athleticism, about the efficiency. A local reporter then asked a question about what O’Connell thought it meant to Dobbs to perform like this nearly 30 minutes from where he grew up.

“This may surprise you,” O’Connell interjected, “but I just met him a few days ago and I didn’t even know that. You just gave me something to talk to our new quarterback about.”

“He’s from Alpharetta High,” the reporter responded.

“Well, there you go,” O’Connell said.

https://theathletic.com/5035267/2023/11/06/josh-dobbs-vikings-falcons/
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/6/2023 1:23:45 PM  1 votes
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Holy ****, I just saw an endzone shot of KJ getting hammered to the front and back of the helmet on the catch - wow!


Loved everything about yesterday. One of the most enjoyable games to watch I've ever seen. What Dobb's did was borderline miraculous with the amount of preparation time he had and his unfamiliarity with everything. One thing that bears watching however was his tendency to lead receivers into the defense by throwing high and behind. . He got some of his guys lit up yesterday. If that ball to KJ is in the right place KJ could have defended himself by going down. Likewise there were several to Hock, and some of the other receivers that put them in harms way. I don't think anyone was holding anything against him yesterday, but that is something that no receiver likes and will get him in trouble if it continues.

This also pointed out an underrated aspect of Cousins. He almost never did that. 15-20 years ago, before the NFL changed all the rules, that was an absolute no-no as you would get guys killed. Even now it can still get guys killed, but you will at least draw a penalty. That KJ hit was downright scary. I wasn't sure he was getting up.


Disagree. Back in Oct 2023 Cousins was throwing high a lot more than in previous games. Even with great plays like JJ's catch against Buffalo it was mildly surprising the receiver didn't break a bone while getting hit by the defender or ground.

Not saying Cousins left the receivers out to dry any more than comparable QBs, but it's a stretch to say he almost never did that.

But I don't know for sure as it's been a long time since Cousins was the Vikings QB. We've had a couple of starters since he last played. Read somewhere he's seeking a multi-year, guaranteed deal at $35-40 million per, with a no-trade clause. Sounds about par for the course. He's good at that stuff.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/6/2023 1:30:30 PM  1 votes
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Yeah, I've actually noticed that Cousins' ball placement has been off more this year than in the past. A lot of passes are sailing a bit on him or they're a beat late getting there.

My guess is his arm isn't what it used to be and he isn't firing the ball with the same zip.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/6/2023 1:41:22 PM   
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I’m all in for the Dobbs lightning in a bottle story line. I wanted Hall to have it and maybe we’ll see more but I’m ready to roll this thing right through.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/6/2023 1:54:28 PM   
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Holy ****, I just saw an endzone shot of KJ getting hammered to the front and back of the helmet on the catch - wow!


Loved everything about yesterday. One of the most enjoyable games to watch I've ever seen. What Dobb's did was borderline miraculous with the amount of preparation time he had and his unfamiliarity with everything. One thing that bears watching however was his tendency to lead receivers into the defense by throwing high and behind. . He got some of his guys lit up yesterday. If that ball to KJ is in the right place KJ could have defended himself by going down. Likewise there were several to Hock, and some of the other receivers that put them in harms way. I don't think anyone was holding anything against him yesterday, but that is something that no receiver likes and will get him in trouble if it continues.

This also pointed out an underrated aspect of Cousins. He almost never did that. 15-20 years ago, before the NFL changed all the rules, that was an absolute no-no as you would get guys killed. Even now it can still get guys killed, but you will at least draw a penalty. That KJ hit was downright scary. I wasn't sure he was getting up.


Disagree. Back in Oct 2023 Cousins was throwing high a lot more than in previous games. Even with great plays like JJ's catch against Buffalo it was mildly surprising the receiver didn't break a bone while getting hit by the defender or ground.

Not saying Cousins left the receivers out to dry any more than comparable QBs, but it's a stretch to say he almost never did that.

But I don't know for sure as it's been a long time since Cousins was the Vikings QB. We've had a couple of starters since he last played. Read somewhere he's seeking a multi-year, guaranteed deal at $35-40 million per, with a no-trade clause. Sounds about par for the course. He's good at that stuff.


Any source for the contract demand?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/6/2023 2:14:27 PM   
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Darrisaw injury is a real concern. It is a groin injury and there is a possibility that it is a chronic injury. Hope we get more details about it which unfortunately is very unlikely.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/6/2023 2:18:31 PM  1 votes
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Speaking of past eras, Cousins was a brachiosaurus compared to Dobbs the velociraptor.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/6/2023 2:50:11 PM  1 votes
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Time blurred, and before he knew it, he was on the field, shrugging off tacklers, escaping pockets and listening to Kevin O’Connell map out plays in his ear. Through the crackling microphones, O’Connell described how Dobbs needed to drop back, where the primary reads were going to be, which routes would be happening on the left and which routes receivers would be running on the right. In fact, Dobbs said, the coach was using language that Dobbs had become accustomed to in previous systems to translate into what was necessary Sunday.



This is huge. I can't imagine having a better coach to guide an emergency QB through a game. Zimmer would be like "I don't know, just hand off a lot. Do some QB stuff and don't bother me"
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/6/2023 2:55:06 PM   
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Darrisaw injury is a real concern. It is a groin injury and there is a possibility that it is a chronic injury. Hope we get more details about it which unfortunately is very unlikely.

Ive had a groin injury for 2 years - he'll be fine
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/6/2023 2:55:58 PM   
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Time blurred, and before he knew it, he was on the field, shrugging off tacklers, escaping pockets and listening to Kevin O’Connell map out plays in his ear. Through the crackling microphones, O’Connell described how Dobbs needed to drop back, where the primary reads were going to be, which routes would be happening on the left and which routes receivers would be running on the right. In fact, Dobbs said, the coach was using language that Dobbs had become accustomed to in previous systems to translate into what was necessary Sunday.



This is huge. I can't imagine having a better coach to guide an emergency QB through a game. Zimmer would be like "I don't know, just hand off a lot. Do some QB stuff and don't bother me"


They literally did this for each play and not once do I remember feeling panic that the clock was going to run out.

Says a ton...
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/6/2023 3:35:48 PM   
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I'll say this. Dobbs seems easy to root for!
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