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I am excited about Dobb's (and Hall's) potential in this offense, but realize that Dobbs will need to pass more on 3rd downs, if he replies on running too much (especially 3rd and 8 or more), defenses will focus on stopping him from running for the first down.

I like that a mobile QB gives defenses more to worry about.

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ORIGINAL: marty

Any RBs out there the Vikings can pick up to replace Akers ?

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ORIGINAL: marty

Any RBs out there the Vikings can pick up to replace Akers ?

Mattison's running style of going in a straight line as fast as he can until someone knocks him down doesn't do well in the starting role. I was really hoping for more Akers and less Mattison as the season went on.

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Time blurred, and before he knew it, he was on the field, shrugging off tacklers, escaping pockets and listening to Kevin O’Connell map out plays in his ear. Through the crackling microphones, O’Connell described how Dobbs needed to drop back, where the primary reads were going to be, which routes would be happening on the left and which routes receivers would be running on the right. In fact, Dobbs said, the coach was using language that Dobbs had become accustomed to in previous systems to translate into what was necessary Sunday.

This is huge. I can't imagine having a better coach to guide an emergency QB through a game. Zimmer would be like "I don't know, just hand off a lot. Do some QB stuff and don't bother me"

They literally did this for each play and not once do I remember feeling panic that the clock was going to run out.

Says a ton...

Now that I think of it I was never thinking "HURRY UP!" because it seemed like they were moving with pace. Very nice to see.

Right?

And not one wasted time out or penalty for procedure.

Yesterday you mentioned the term "stray voltage" re Cousins. It's so spot on but can't define it. Lost energy, a staleness... I don't know. Regardless, the team had a jolt of energy with Dobbs.

Not just the team but the fans too ... it created win euphoria for everybody without being tainted by pro or anti Cousins bickering.

That is so far below my spiritual plane.

Wait, are you saying there is a, gasp, consensus? Those are mighty tall words.

A brief fleeting nanosecond of unsoiled agreement.

Next week, let the soiling begin.

Next week is a freebie/playing with house money. Expectations are low yet we’ll happily take any good results.

What???

If we have JJ and Darrisaw back and Dobbs having a full week of practice, I expect a great game against a team that is also battling for a playoff spot.

We have won 4 in a row because we are a good team. Defense playing at a level we haven't seen since we beat NO in playoffs. OLine jelling. Unsung guys coming through.

I fully expect a raucous crowd expecting and getting a win.

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I think this is the most I have ever enjoyed an ugly game of football.

Both of our QBs showed me enough that I want to see more. I liked the little I saw of Hall. The kid was poised and not at all overwhelmed by the moment. Once he got a chance to operate outside of his own 10 yard line, he had no problem moving the offense to the 1 yard line. Really sorry to see the day end for him at that point. I had visions of Hall being the story today. Not to be.

Dobbs, like Hall, was not afraid of the moment. Especially not the last two minutes. ...

So, where does it go from here? Is Dobbs a QB just coming into his own and the Vikings are the right time and the right situation for him? On one hand I can envision it just getting better as he comes to know the playbook and his teammates. On the other hand, we don't know if he is consistent. We don't what happens as teams gameplan for him in the Vikings system. We know Dobbs has a losing record with a terrible team. We know the Vikings are his 4th team in 4 years. The late bloomer who gets a fresh start in the right place scenario does happen. I really hope this is one of those cases.

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Time blurred, and before he knew it, he was on the field, shrugging off tacklers, escaping pockets and listening to Kevin O’Connell map out plays in his ear. Through the crackling microphones, O’Connell described how Dobbs needed to drop back, where the primary reads were going to be, which routes would be happening on the left and which routes receivers would be running on the right. In fact, Dobbs said, the coach was using language that Dobbs had become accustomed to in previous systems to translate into what was necessary Sunday.

This is huge. I can't imagine having a better coach to guide an emergency QB through a game. Zimmer would be like "I don't know, just hand off a lot. Do some QB stuff and don't bother me"

They literally did this for each play and not once do I remember feeling panic that the clock was going to run out.

Says a ton...

Now that I think of it I was never thinking "HURRY UP!" because it seemed like they were moving with pace. Very nice to see.

Right?

And not one wasted time out or penalty for procedure.

Yesterday you mentioned the term "stray voltage" re Cousins. It's so spot on but can't define it. Lost energy, a staleness... I don't know. Regardless, the team had a jolt of energy with Dobbs.

Not just the team but the fans too ... it created win euphoria for everybody without being tainted by pro or anti Cousins bickering.

That is so far below my spiritual plane.

Wait, are you saying there is a, gasp, consensus? Those are mighty tall words.

A brief fleeting nanosecond of unsoiled agreement.

Next week, let the soiling begin.

Next week is a freebie/playing with house money. Expectations are low yet we’ll happily take any good results.

What???

If we have JJ and Darrisaw back and Dobbs having a full week of practice, I expect a great game against a team that is also battling for a playoff spot.

We have won 4 in a row because we are a good team. Defense playing at a level we haven't seen since we beat NO in playoffs. OLine jelling. Unsung guys coming through.

I fully expect a raucous crowd expecting and getting a win.

I understand the optimism but I’m not there yet.

We still don’t know what we have with either Hall Dobbs. A long way from it.

Aside from beating some chumps, yes we beat the big bad SF wolf but clearly they are not playing their best.

That’s the playing the devil’s advocate side of it.

I definitely like where we are at compared to our first 4 games. Ingram / Bradbury and the defense, the usual suspects, have elevated their games.

We are in a good place … its very possible our coaches are a big step up from the Card’s Gannon and Petzing who I know absolutely nothing about.

We are trending up, thats for dam sure. Which is fun.

Just not ready to say by how much. I know nobody is predicting greatness etc … but I still think we have a lot more to prove to be considered a good team (which in my book = a legitimate playoff contender.).

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Time blurred, and before he knew it, he was on the field, shrugging off tacklers, escaping pockets and listening to Kevin O’Connell map out plays in his ear. Through the crackling microphones, O’Connell described how Dobbs needed to drop back, where the primary reads were going to be, which routes would be happening on the left and which routes receivers would be running on the right. In fact, Dobbs said, the coach was using language that Dobbs had become accustomed to in previous systems to translate into what was necessary Sunday.

This is huge. I can't imagine having a better coach to guide an emergency QB through a game. Zimmer would be like "I don't know, just hand off a lot. Do some QB stuff and don't bother me"

They literally did this for each play and not once do I remember feeling panic that the clock was going to run out.

Says a ton...

Now that I think of it I was never thinking "HURRY UP!" because it seemed like they were moving with pace. Very nice to see.

Right?

And not one wasted time out or penalty for procedure.

Yesterday you mentioned the term "stray voltage" re Cousins. It's so spot on but can't define it. Lost energy, a staleness... I don't know. Regardless, the team had a jolt of energy with Dobbs.

Not just the team but the fans too ... it created win euphoria for everybody without being tainted by pro or anti Cousins bickering.

That is so far below my spiritual plane.

Wait, are you saying there is a, gasp, consensus? Those are mighty tall words.

A brief fleeting nanosecond of unsoiled agreement.

Next week, let the soiling begin.

Next week is a freebie/playing with house money. Expectations are low yet we’ll happily take any good results.

What???

If we have JJ and Darrisaw back and Dobbs having a full week of practice, I expect a great game against a team that is also battling for a playoff spot.

We have won 4 in a row because we are a good team. Defense playing at a level we haven't seen since we beat NO in playoffs. OLine jelling. Unsung guys coming through.

I fully expect a raucous crowd expecting and getting a win.

I understand the optimism but I’m not there yet.

We still don’t know what we have with either Hall Dobbs. A long way from it.

Aside from beating some chumps, yes we beat the big bad SF wolf but clearly they are not playing their best.

That’s the playing the devil’s advocate side of it.

I definitely like where we are at compared to our first 4 games. Ingram / Bradbury and the defense, the usual suspects, have elevated their games.

We are in a good place … its very possible our coaches are a big step up from the Card’s Gannon and Petzing who I know absolutely nothing about.

We are trending up, thats for dam sure. Which is fun.

Just not ready to say by how much. I know nobody is predicting greatness etc … but I still think we have a lot more to prove to be considered a good team (which in my book = a legitimate playoff contender.).

Agree. The Saints are technically battling for a playoff spot. They have had the easiest schedule in the league BY FAR ( https://www.tankathon.com/nfl ) and they haven't beaten a winning team. Are we a good team? IMO the jury is out. As long as we are still in the parity-driven "hunt" for a playoff spot, the NFL is happy.

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The big key moving forward is somehow figure out how to get something out of the run game....the biggest issue we have currently and one of the main reasons we couldn't beat Philly and KC.

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I guess we'll be going quite a ways down the list of prospects to find our rookie QB next draft. I hope our scouts are up to the task.

We just need to find a Kwesi type to trade with:

The Vikings traded the 12th overall pick of the 2022 NFL Draft within the division on Thursday night. Minnesota sent the selection to the Detroit Lions, along with the 46th overall pick in the second round, in exchange for the 32nd, 34th and 66th overall selections this year.

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who would you start at QB going forward, a healthy jaren hall, or josh dobbs?...i voted dobbs....

dobbs --- 75%
hall---25%

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

I think this is the most I have ever enjoyed an ugly game of football.

Both of our QBs showed me enough that I want to see more. I liked the little I saw of Hall. The kid was poised and not at all overwhelmed by the moment. Once he got a chance to operate outside of his own 10 yard line, he had no problem moving the offense to the 1 yard line. Really sorry to see the day end for him at that point. I had visions of Hall being the story today. Not to be.

Dobbs, like Hall, was not afraid of the moment. Especially not the last two minutes. His intelligence and ability to process and utilize a ton of information in real time is as advertized. There were some early hiccups that gave Atlanta's offense some short fields. Thanks to the defense, Atlanta was only able to parlay two fumbles deep in our end and a safety into 8 points. A better team would have done a better job capitalizing on those mistakes. I think the mistakes can easily be attributed to Dobbs being unfamiliar with the playbook and personnel. The offense continued to sputter at times, but that was due to an unwaivering commitment to a totally ineffective running game. Dobbs even broke the curse of the Vikings getting a first down inside the 5. Usually the sequence that follows is a handoff to Mattison that loses 3 yards, usually followed by a second run to get back to the 5 and then an incomplete pass. Dobbs has both touch on the short passes and the legs to be a serious threat on the ground. His running ability alone makes red zone defense a much bigger challenge.

So, where does it go from here? Is Dobbs a QB just coming into his own and the Vikings are the right time and the right situation for him? On one hand I can envision it just getting better as he comes to know the playbook and his teammates. On the other hand, we don't know if he is consistent. We don't what happens as teams gameplan for him in the Vikings system. We know Dobbs has a losing record with a terrible team. We know the Vikings are his 4th team in 4 years. The late bloomer who gets a fresh start in the right place scenario does happen. I really hope this is one of those cases.

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What about RB Tevin Coleman ?