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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/19/2023 6:28:43 PM

Todd M

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I know you hope that’s not the case, David but are you saying you don’t think there’s much chance Kwesi and Kevin aren’t seeing it or wanting it?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/19/2023 6:53:05 PM

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KOC has a Blind spot for KFC…

KOC loves KFC because he does what KO C tells him to do, without any moxy or self awareness of situational needs.

KOC wants a robot QB who follows his whims.

KAM hasn’t brought in one single QB that has shown any ability to usurp KFC, Hall?

Who knows?

He is not a KOC type QB, so KOC has him running the scout team, in practice and , more than likely, never gives him reps, even in practice, with his anointed starting offensive lineup.

I have no proof of any of this, but a coach who constantly says..”I see him in practice every day and he is not eligible to be active, for ant reason, tells me that Hall will probably be cut, next off season and a real effort will be made by KOC to convince the GM and ownership that re- upping KOC for some cap sucking amount of multiple years is the god forsaken road, I will be dragged kicking and screaming into the 2024 season and beyond.

Sigh..

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/19/2023 7:16:18 PM

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Moving up in the 1st round from about 20 to 10 (which is about where Mahomes was picked), seems the most logical to me, if they think they have their guy at 10, in what is supposed to be a good year for drafting a QB.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/19/2023 7:20:19 PM

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Since KOC was hired, I've developed play clock angst syndrome. If they are not set at the LOS by 10 seconds to go I get nervous. It's so bad that when the play clock is inside 3-5 seconds even for other teams I start freaking.

I think this also gives the opponent an advantage. The opponent doesn't have time to jump offsides, you aren't generally getting them to jump offsides, and because they know you're getting close to running out of time, they will either get a good jump on the snap, or will let you get a delay of game penalty.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/19/2023 10:31:14 PM

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For sure. We'd likely have to trade into the Top 10 (or higher).

If the Vikes lose out they could be picking around 10.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/20/2023 7:12:14 AM

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I just pooled the last $1000 to my name and bet that Lewis Cine would be SBMVP. The payout is huge. Wish me luck.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/20/2023 7:18:02 AM

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For sure. We'd likely have to trade into the Top 10 (or higher).

If the Vikes lose out they could be picking around 10.

Picking 10th or one and done on the playoffs…hmmm. Not like if we did make the playoffs there would be that be that delicious anticipation of what if come Wild Card weekend.

Mullens, who I can’t believe actually got kudos for his performance if you can believe it will drive us to a better pick.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/20/2023 7:25:30 AM

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quote:

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For sure. We'd likely have to trade into the Top 10 (or higher).

If the Vikes lose out they could be picking around 10.

Picking 10th or one and done on the playoffs…hmmm. Not like if we did make the playoffs there would be that be that delicious anticipation of what if come Wild Card weekend.

Mullens, who I can’t believe actually got kudos for his performance if you can believe it will drive us to a better pick.

i'm going to find it incredibly painful to watch mullens again - I really want him gone from the team asap....

i'd prefer that mullens stub his toe and go on ir for the rest of the season...play dobbs or hall....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/20/2023 9:46:04 AM

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quote:

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For sure. We'd likely have to trade into the Top 10 (or higher).

If the Vikes lose out they could be picking around 10.

Picking 10th or one and done on the playoffs…hmmm. Not like if we did make the playoffs there would be that be that delicious anticipation of what if come Wild Card weekend.

Mullens, who I can’t believe actually got kudos for his performance if you can believe it will drive us to a better pick.

Our standard as a franchise is so low right now.

The chances of doing anything in the playoffs, last year or this year, with or without Cousins Mullens etc, is only slightly more than third grade potato sack racers.

Some fans are still pining for Cousins for godsakes. His fans are the people that prefer the satsfaction of participation ribbons rather than the pain and risk thats required to go for something better. He delivers just enough to lay around under a big shady tree and scratch our big bellies - content with wild card possibility.

Our team sucks right now and the only way to unsuck is to get very very lucky with a QB in the draft. AND make the backup QB position valuable. NOT cower behind the freak chance of Cousins being able to pierce through his very very average cieling for one wild card game victory.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/20/2023 10:09:43 AM

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I think it's very possible that Detroit pulls their starters in the last regular season game, if letting the Vikings win, lets the Vikings into the playoffs, and if it also means Detroit gets Minnesota the 1st week of the playoffs.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/20/2023 10:11:57 AM

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This past offseason I think the regime tried to extend Cousins for one year to serve as a bridge for the shiny new draftee. Not only did Cousins balk at that, now the situation has changed - as mentioned - to where the achilles makes him a very, very questionable bridge.

If accurate, neither side is even going to want to come to the table. And a compromise two-year contract is no man's land, lose-lose proposition.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/20/2023 10:17:09 AM

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His fans are the people that prefer the satsfaction of participation ribbons rather than the pain and risk thats required to go for something better.

Well said. At the very least, one would think six years of participation trophies are enough.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/20/2023 10:24:11 AM

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His fans are the people that prefer the satsfaction of participation ribbons rather than the pain and risk thats required to go for something better.

Well said. At the very least, one would think six years of participation trophies are enough.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/20/2023 10:24:33 AM

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content with wild card possibility

Going into week SIXTEEN, only 4 teams have clinched a playoff berth and only 6 teams have been eliminated from playoff contention.

Mediocrity and the NFL $trategy is alive and well! Suckers, err, fans of most of the other 22 teams are still hoping...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/20/2023 10:29:32 AM

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I bet if there was a poll of all Vikings fans 75-80% would say they like/are fans of Cousins and want to see him back.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/20/2023 10:56:13 AM

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I bet if there was a poll of all Vikings fans 75-80% would say they like/are fans of Cousins and want to see him back.

Of course.

And like Pete said, that's all the Wilfs need. Its enough to sell out games and keep the revenues rolling in.

They're New Jersey criminals and life-long Giants fans. The Vikings are a business, not a passion.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/20/2023 10:56:56 AM

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If we go 8-9 (assumes a win in a meaningless week 18 game w/ Det), that probably gets us into the non-playoff category (picks 1-20) of the draft order. Right now that would be pick #15.

If Det is still fighting for a playoff seed, we could end up 7-10. The resultant .411 winning percentage would right now slot us at pick #10.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/20/2023 11:04:29 AM

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If we go 8-9 (assumes a win in a meaningless week 18 game w/ Det), that probably gets us into the non-playoff category (picks 1-20) of the draft order. Right now that would be pick #15.

If Det is still fighting for a playoff seed, we could end up 7-10. The resultant .411 winning percentage would right now slot us at pick #10.

https://www.tankathon.com/nfl

#10 would do the job. If your guy falls to 10 all you have to do is pick him. If you need to move up 1-4 spots it can be done by trading 2025 picks.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/20/2023 11:19:45 AM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

If we go 8-9 (assumes a win in a meaningless week 18 game w/ Det), that probably gets us into the non-playoff category (picks 1-20) of the draft order. Right now that would be pick #15.

If Det is still fighting for a playoff seed, we could end up 7-10. The resultant .411 winning percentage would right now slot us at pick #10.

https://www.tankathon.com/nfl

#10 would do the job. If your guy falls to 10 all you have to do is pick him. If you need to move up 1-4 spots it can be done by trading 2025 picks.

KAM will trade down for more picks. The higher the pick we have the more likely for it to happen...and to a team like the Packers or Lions.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/20/2023 11:34:23 AM

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I think it's very possible that Detroit pulls their starters in the last regular season game, if letting the Vikings win, lets the Vikings into the playoffs, and if it also means Detroit gets Minnesota the 1st week of the playoffs.

Detroit will likely still be playing for seeding at the end of the season.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/20/2023 11:40:19 AM

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

If we go 8-9 (assumes a win in a meaningless week 18 game w/ Det), that probably gets us into the non-playoff category (picks 1-20) of the draft order. Right now that would be pick #15.

If Det is still fighting for a playoff seed, we could end up 7-10. The resultant .411 winning percentage would right now slot us at pick #10.

https://www.tankathon.com/nfl

#10 would do the job. If your guy falls to 10 all you have to do is pick him. If you need to move up 1-4 spots it can be done by trading 2025 picks.

KAM will trade down for more picks. The higher the pick we have the more likely for it to happen...and to a team like the Packers or Lions.

I don't think they'll do it in 2024 with the urgency at QB we'll (hopefully) have. I'm naively going to belive they'll have QBOTF as their #1 priority.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/20/2023 12:56:15 PM

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

If we go 8-9 (assumes a win in a meaningless week 18 game w/ Det), that probably gets us into the non-playoff category (picks 1-20) of the draft order. Right now that would be pick #15.

If Det is still fighting for a playoff seed, we could end up 7-10. The resultant .411 winning percentage would right now slot us at pick #10.

https://www.tankathon.com/nfl

#10 would do the job. If your guy falls to 10 all you have to do is pick him. If you need to move up 1-4 spots it can be done by trading 2025 picks.

KAM will trade down for more picks. The higher the pick we have the more likely for it to happen...and to a team like the Packers or Lions.

I don't think they'll do it in 2024 with the urgency at QB we'll (hopefully) have. I'm naively going to belive they'll have QBOTF as their #1 priority.

I agree, I think both KAM/KOC need to get a QBOTF to establish themselves.

That being said... to me... sadly....

I think they sign Kirk to a "modest" deal for a year or two and also draft a qb high.

Same old story of "wait til next year" for the fans.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/20/2023 1:04:38 PM

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I think it's very possible that Detroit pulls their starters in the last regular season game, if letting the Vikings win, lets the Vikings into the playoffs, and if it also means Detroit gets Minnesota the 1st week of the playoffs.

It's also very possible that they are still in the #1 seed fight. If they are locked in to a seed then maybe.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/20/2023 1:08:43 PM

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

If we go 8-9 (assumes a win in a meaningless week 18 game w/ Det), that probably gets us into the non-playoff category (picks 1-20) of the draft order. Right now that would be pick #15.

If Det is still fighting for a playoff seed, we could end up 7-10. The resultant .411 winning percentage would right now slot us at pick #10.

https://www.tankathon.com/nfl

#10 would do the job. If your guy falls to 10 all you have to do is pick him. If you need to move up 1-4 spots it can be done by trading 2025 picks.

KAM will trade down for more picks. The higher the pick we have the more likely for it to happen...and to a team like the Packers or Lions.

I don't think they'll do it in 2024 with the urgency at QB we'll (hopefully) have. I'm naively going to belive they'll have QBOTF as their #1 priority.

I agree, I think both KAM/KOC need to get a QBOTF to establish themselves.

That being said... to me... sadly....

I think they sign Kirk to a "modest" deal for a year or two and also draft a qb high.

Same old story of "wait til next year" for the fans.

25M? 30?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/20/2023 1:15:39 PM

Jeff Jesser

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25M? 30?

2 years at 25 and use the first pick on the best available QB. I'd be perfectly happy with that although I get the angst from some about bringing him back at anything.

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