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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

I confess I didn’t mind signing Oliver and resigning Mattison as offensive muscle but that was early in the process and I didnt think it would end there … we had to dump Cook and his contract, I thought Hockensen would get more work down the field. I overestimated both signings and I didn’t think we’d completely ignore the OL until, what, week 3 in season (Risner). I didn’t think we would entrench Mattison regardless of production / situation … Akers and Chandler were both under and mis-used.

The QB situation … the people that see it, understand it. The people that don’t want to see it, can’t be reasoned with. Yes the injuries are a get out of jail card for the regime but they are going into their third offseason either starting at square one or worse, going backward if they resign Cousins. The only possible reason for doing that is fear …

fear of failing worse than we already are.Hold on to your butts!

Actually there still is a scenario if Hall gets to prove himself that doesn't involve Kirk. The Vikings are such a QB starved franchise...it isn't something that needs to reasoned; it is their history.

Last 2 1st round QBs drafted.....Ponder and Teddy (we also traded a first for Sam of course). The last 2nd rounder drafted was Tavaris. That is what scares fans. Where did those 4 get us? Add Dante even....where did those 5 highly drafted QBs get us?

Hall showing anything is the proverbial blind nut finding the squirrel.

These people need to put themselves out there and risk success. Not bide their time until something good happens. gzuz.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.
Shoot you edited while I was replying…. What did those five qbs get us? As much or more than Kirk. This, more than anything else, baffles me with Kirk fans/stans. So afraid of… losing out on the same or worse overall results that WE WERE ALREADY GETTING with QBs who are/were perceived to be poor. So, were these QBs actually awesome or is Kirk just ordinary? It’s one or the other.

Draft a QB better than Kirk and I am all in...Ponder, TJack, Teddy, Dante, and Sam were not the answers to who can win you a SB. Did you think they were? Maybe you thought Case could win us a SB?

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.
Shoot you edited while I was replying…. What did those five qbs get us? As much or more than Kirk. This, more than anything else, baffles me with Kirk fans/stans. So afraid of… losing out on the same or worse overall results that WE WERE ALREADY GETTING with QBs who are/were perceived to be poor. So, were these QBs actually awesome or is Kirk just ordinary? It’s one or the other.

Draft a QB better than Kirk and I am all in...Ponder, TJack, Teddy, Dante, and Sam were not the answers to who can win you a SB. Did you think they were? Maybe you thought Case could win us a SB?

No. You're off-track on this logic. Re-sign Kirk if you think he can win you a Super Bowl. So far he hasn't delivered better results than Ponder, TJack, Teddy, Daunte, or Sam. Why give away the farm for the exact same or worse results than we got from those other five? If I'm handing out a franchise-level contract to a QB should I not expect better results than I can get from a pile of crap?

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.
Shoot you edited while I was replying…. What did those five qbs get us? As much or more than Kirk. This, more than anything else, baffles me with Kirk fans/stans. So afraid of… losing out on the same or worse overall results that WE WERE ALREADY GETTING with QBs who are/were perceived to be poor. So, were these QBs actually awesome or is Kirk just ordinary? It’s one or the other.

Draft a QB better than Kirk and I am all in...Ponder, TJack, Teddy, Dante, and Sam were not the answers to who can win you a SB. Did you think they were? Maybe you thought Case could win us a SB?

No. You're off-track on this logic. Re-sign Kirk if you think he can win you a Super Bowl. So far he hasn't delivered better results than Ponder, TJack, Teddy, Daunte, or Sam. Why give away the farm for the exact same or worse results than we got from those other five? If I'm handing out a franchise-level contract to a QB should I not expect better results than I can get from a pile of crap?

What is a franchise level Contract nowadays? Injuries happen to higher paid QBs also that haven't produced either but that is the game.

We aren't the only ones doing it either and giving away the farm is now 50-60 million. Pile of crap--can't win the SB w/o getting into the playoffs....Kirk would have got that done.

Sorry your philosophy on ppg didn't work. No matter who, a top 10 qb---they cost 20-30 million. Your philosophy on what to pay a qb should change with the salary cap and it clearly hasn't. Rookie top 10 QBs aren't cheap either.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

I confess I didn’t mind signing Oliver and resigning Mattison as offensive muscle but that was early in the process and I didnt think it would end there … we had to dump Cook and his contract, I thought Hockensen would get more work down the field. I overestimated both signings and I didn’t think we’d completely ignore the OL until, what, week 3 in season (Risner). I didn’t think we would entrench Mattison regardless of production / situation … Akers and Chandler were both under and mis-used.

The QB situation … the people that see it, understand it. The people that don’t want to see it, can’t be reasoned with. Yes the injuries are a get out of jail card for the regime but they are going into their third offseason either starting at square one or worse, going backward if they resign Cousins. The only possible reason for doing that is fear …

fear of failing worse than we already are.Hold on to your butts!

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ORIGINAL: marty

I read somewhere that if the Vikings lose their last 2 games, and certain teams win their games, that the Vikings could draft as high as #5.

Is this true ?

I'll answer it this way.

There are 4 teams that can't get to 7 wins, so 5th is as high as we could get. There are 5 teams with less than 7 now who would need to lose. I don't know who's playing who, if 2 of those 5 teams play each other obviously 1 would win and the other would likely finish above us. No idea how tie breakers would work.

Playing Hall and Losing is the optimal result for the Purple.

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Just save the cookie when you log in then it keeps you logged in even if you close out or shut down.. how do I know…

Uh.. IT networking experience..

The only time I have to reload in to Talk Vikes is if I clear history, which is something I do weekly, because otherwise my chrome eats battery life llike a cop at a donut shop on bogo day..

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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Shoot you edited while I was replying…. What did those five qbs get us? As much or more than Kirk. This, more than anything else, baffles me with Kirk fans/stans. So afraid of… losing out on the same or worse overall results that WE WERE ALREADY GETTING with QBs who are/were perceived to be poor. So, were these QBs actually awesome or is Kirk just ordinary? It’s one or the other.

Draft a QB better than Kirk and I am all in...Ponder, TJack, Teddy, Dante, and Sam were not the answers to who can win you a SB. Did you think they were? Maybe you thought Case could win us a SB?

No. You're off-track on this logic. Re-sign Kirk if you think he can win you a Super Bowl. So far he hasn't delivered better results than Ponder, TJack, Teddy, Daunte, or Sam. Why give away the farm for the exact same or worse results than we got from those other five? If I'm handing out a franchise-level contract to a QB should I not expect better results than I can get from a pile of crap?

What is a franchise level Contract nowadays? Injuries happen to higher paid QBs also that haven't produced either but that is the game.

We aren't the only ones doing it either and giving away the farm is now 50-60 million. Pile of crap--can't win the SB w/o getting into the playoffs....Kirk would have got that done.

Sorry your philosophy on ppg didn't work. No matter who, a top 10 qb---they cost 20-30 million. Your philosophy on what to pay a qb should change with the salary cap and it clearly hasn't. Rookie top 10 QBs aren't cheap either.

It literally worked. Three QBs who' s names no one will ever remember in four months scored the same amount of points and won nearly the same amount of games. If whatever noboday they put out there at QB this weekend beats the weak-ass Packers then it will be a perfect 4-4 vs 4-4.

P.S. You realize the Vikings often made the playoffs prior to Saint Kirkus of Mediocritus' arrival right? Heck - sometimes we even made it to NFCCGs.

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

The defense has been a bit of a roller coaster this year.

I stated early on in the season, that I thought our personnel was bottom tier. In particular the front 7.

Many of the advanced analytics supported this. But I thought Flores, pure scheme would hide a lot of flaws particularly early on. But as teams adjusted and had more film, eventually the lack of talent would catch up.

But I think the opposite happened for a bit, as Flores players better understood the scheme, the defense became stronger slightly past mid season. Perhaps playing some bad offenses helped.

It seems in recent weeks, the defense has finally seen that regression to better match their talent. Injuries haven't helped, but almost all teams battle injuries this time of year. Pace hit the wall hard his last couple games, and he's a prime guy to run right at.

I've always thought Flores has to blitz so much this year because he doesn't have 4 guys who can get after the QB on their own consistently, except Hunter.
In a way it's good, as I could have been fooled into thinking this defense was most set going into next year.

But I'm pretty confident in that now we need some upgrades in the front 7 and better depth going into next year.

The good news is there are not a ton of needs on O.....oh, except a QB, ugrade at C, and an explosive RB (maybe Chandler), and who knows what will happen to Hockensen with this injury.
I'd still like to see a burner as the 3rd WR to really open up some stuff for doubling and trippling Jefferson.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Its funny (scary?). Mullens might actually run the offense better than Kirk.

He just can't make most of the throws needed...

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

The defense has been a bit of a roller coaster this year.

I stated early on in the season, that I thought our personnel was bottom tier. In particular the front 7.

Many of the advanced analytics supported this. But I thought Flores, pure scheme would hide a lot of flaws particularly early on. But as teams adjusted and had more film, eventually the lack of talent would catch up.

But I think the opposite happened for a bit, as Flores players better understood the scheme, the defense became stronger slightly past mid season. Perhaps playing some bad offenses helped.

It seems in recent weeks, the defense has finally seen that regression to better match their talent. Injuries haven't helped, but almost all teams battle injuries this time of year. Pace hit the wall hard his last couple games, and he's a prime guy to run right at.

I've always thought Flores has to blitz so much this year because he doesn't have 4 guys who can get after the QB on their own consistently, except Hunter.
In a way it's good, as I could have been fooled into thinking this defense was most set going into next year.

But I'm pretty confident in that now we need some upgrades in the front 7 and better depth going into next year.

The good news is there are not a ton of needs on O.....oh, except a QB, ugrade at C, and an explosive RB (maybe Chandler), and who knows what will happen to Hockensen with this injury.
I'd still like to see a burner as the 3rd WR to really open up some stuff for doubling and trippling Jefferson.

That is exactly what occurred with the D. Growing pains - D hits their stride - DCs then have an accurate picture on what's going on - DCs expose the D as smoke and mirrors can't mask the lack of talent.

And it's a good summation of where the D stands, but I submit the upgrades extend to all 3 levels on D.

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ORIGINAL: marty

I think both sides can agree that Kirk is a good regular season QB (somewhere between 5-12), that will usually have slow starts, and is likely to lose a playoff game.

Kirk at least gives you hope of making the playoffs next year, as a healthy Kirk in KOC's offense will likely lead the team to the playoffs, even with a really bad defense, provided that defense is plays well in the 4th quarter.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

The defense has been a bit of a roller coaster this year.

I stated early on in the season, that I thought our personnel was bottom tier. In particular the front 7.

Many of the advanced analytics supported this. But I thought Flores, pure scheme would hide a lot of flaws particularly early on. But as teams adjusted and had more film, eventually the lack of talent would catch up.

But I think the opposite happened for a bit, as Flores players better understood the scheme, the defense became stronger slightly past mid season. Perhaps playing some bad offenses helped.

It seems in recent weeks, the defense has finally seen that regression to better match their talent. Injuries haven't helped, but almost all teams battle injuries this time of year. Pace hit the wall hard his last couple games, and he's a prime guy to run right at.

I've always thought Flores has to blitz so much this year because he doesn't have 4 guys who can get after the QB on their own consistently, except Hunter.
In a way it's good, as I could have been fooled into thinking this defense was most set going into next year.

But I'm pretty confident in that now we need some upgrades in the front 7 and better depth going into next year.

The good news is there are not a ton of needs on O.....oh, except a QB, ugrade at C, and an explosive RB (maybe Chandler), and who knows what will happen to Hockensen with this injury.
I'd still like to see a burner as the 3rd WR to really open up some stuff for doubling and trippling Jefferson.

That is exactly what occurred with the D. Growing pains - D hits their stride - DCs then have an accurate picture on what's going on - DCs expose the D as smoke and mirrors can't mask the lack of talent.

And it's a good summation of where the D stands, but I submit the upgrades extend to all 3 levels on D.