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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

69.5% of his throws and had 18 touchdown passes to five interceptions

Hard to imagine that couldn't of gotten you at least into the championship game, in this year's NFC, even for an ass‐kisser ...

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

If the Vikings are not looking at a long-term solution at quarterback, they are not a serious franchise.

Exhibit A would be the Packers. They drafted Rodgers in the first and groomed him for 3 years behind Farve. They drafted Love in the first round and groomed him for 3 years behind Rodgers.

Both times, the Packers were criticized for taking a QB in the first round when they should be bolstering the roster around their HOF QB. After year 1 with Love at the helm, I don't think they regret either decision.

I contend that their strategy, being way bolder and forward thinking than ours during the same period, is still too conservative. They could have moved on from Favre and Rodgers a year earlier each. That said, they were still able to trade both of them and receive compensation. We never drafted, therefore couldn’t trade our guy for anything, and now might pay him yet again and run it all back again. Their way netted two superbowl wins and should have been more. Our way netted one theoretical make believe MVP award.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

If the Vikings are not looking at a long-term solution at quarterback, they are not a serious franchise.

I’m not sure we’ve learned anything.

It feels like our intense internal discussions are about how to continue to suckle at the Cousins teat* while waiting for the perfect prospect to fall into our lap (now in its third offseason).

Not, how do we commit to the long term solution first.

(*because really ... if we’re honest with ourselves ... being a Cousins sycophant is the strongest form of suction)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

If the Vikings are not looking at a long-term solution at quarterback, they are not a serious franchise.

I’m not sure we’ve learned anything.

It feels like our intense internal discussions are about how to continue to suckle at the Cousins teat* while waiting for the perfect prospect to fall into our lap (now in its third offseason).

Not, how do we commit to the long term solution first.

(*because really ... if we’re honest with ourselves ... being a Cousins sycophant is the strongest form of suction)

Kwesi may have learned something. And that was telling Cousins to go pound sand regarding his latest well-structured contract proposal.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

69.5% of his throws and had 18 touchdown passes to five interceptions

Hard to imagine that couldn't of gotten you at least into the championship game, in this year's NFC, even for an ass‐kisser ...

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

69.5% of his throws and had 18 touchdown passes to five interceptions

Hard to imagine that couldn't of gotten you at least into the championship game, in this year's NFC, even for an ass‐kisser ...

Possible. He’s a good QB. He was playing well. he’s a good match for O’Connell’s system. We would have won more games with him.

IMO all statements of truth.

Going past that is difficult for me obviously.

13-4 makes you playoff worthy, absolutely. Not necessarily playoff caliber. In fact, Its been 7 years since I’ve seen a playoff caliber Vikings team, not just a team squeaking into the playoffs based on an all-inclusive playoff format.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

If the Vikings are not looking at a long-term solution at quarterback, they are not a serious franchise.

I’m not sure we’ve learned anything.

It feels like our intense internal discussions are about how to continue to suckle at the Cousins teat* while waiting for the perfect prospect to fall into our lap (now in its third offseason).

Not, how do we commit to the long term solution first.

(*because really ... if we’re honest with ourselves ... being a Cousins sycophant is the strongest form of suction)

Kwesi may have learned something. And that was telling Cousins to go pound sand regarding his latest well-structured contract proposal.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

69.5% of his throws and had 18 touchdown passes to five interceptions

Hard to imagine that couldn't of gotten you at least into the championship game, in this year's NFC, even for an ass‐kisser ...

Possible. He’s a good QB. He was playing well. he’s a good match for O’Connell’s system. We would have won more games with him.

IMO all statements of truth.

Going past that is difficult for me obviously.

13-4 makes you playoff worthy, absolutely. Not necessarily playoff caliber. In fact, Its been 7 years since I’ve seen a playoff caliber Vikings team, not just a team squeaking into the playoffs based on an all-inclusive playoff format.

Playoff caliber sure is subjective, especially in today's NFL. We were good enough to get to the NFCCG this year in this NFC, as Ive said several times -- doesn't mean we were great.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

69.5% of his throws and had 18 touchdown passes to five interceptions

Hard to imagine that couldn't of gotten you at least into the championship game, in this year's NFC, even for an ass‐kisser ...

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

And by contender I don’t mean great. I do mean good ... even watered down good.

We are a ways from that and a long ways from 2-3 games in the post-season good.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

69.5% of his throws and had 18 touchdown passes to five interceptions

Hard to imagine that couldn't of gotten you at least into the championship game, in this year's NFC, even for an ass‐kisser ...

Only if he cut way down on the 7 fumbles.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

If the Vikings are not looking at a long-term solution at quarterback, they are not a serious franchise.

Exhibit A would be the Packers. They drafted Rodgers in the first and groomed him for 3 years behind Farve. They drafted Love in the first round and groomed him for 3 years behind Rodgers.

Both times, the Packers were criticized for taking a QB in the first round when they should be bolstering the roster around their HOF QB. After year 1 with Love at the helm, I don't think they regret either decision.

I contend that their strategy, being way bolder and forward thinking than ours during the same period, is still too conservative. They could have moved on from Favre and Rodgers a year earlier each. That said, they were still able to trade both of them and receive compensation. We never drafted, therefore couldn’t trade our guy for anything, and now might pay him yet again and run it all back again. Their way netted two superbowl wins and should have been more. Our way netted one theoretical make believe MVP award.

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ORIGINAL: marty

Do Cousin's stats look similar to Stroud's, where he leads the team to the playoffs, and then a 1st, maybe 2nd round exit ?

I could envision a Cousin's led team, with this year's personnel, losing to just about any team in the 1st round of the playoffs, whether it was Dallas, Detroit, GB, Philly, or whomever.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

69.5% of his throws and had 18 touchdown passes to five interceptions

Hard to imagine that couldn't of gotten you at least into the championship game, in this year's NFC, even for an ass‐kisser ...

Only if he cut way down on the 7 fumbles.

Of course and his teammates holding on to the ball a little better wouldn't hurt, either

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

If the Vikings are not looking at a long-term solution at quarterback, they are not a serious franchise.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

69.5% of his throws and had 18 touchdown passes to five interceptions

Hard to imagine that couldn't of gotten you at least into the championship game, in this year's NFC, even for an ass‐kisser ...

Only if he cut way down on the 7 fumbles.

Of course and his teammates holding on to the ball a little better wouldn't hurt, either

And this is the issue, for me at least.

Cousins falls short and it always comes with hypothetical qualifiers [from his defenders].

You can't get less hypothetical than throwing short of the sticks on 4th down to end a playoff game against a horrible playoff team. But even then, its all the other things that happened to contribute to that loss ...

And now, we get to it ... the eventual conclusion of this 'reasoning' ...

Cousins gets injured which makes it certain that he would have accomplished what he never come close to doing when healthy?

Okay. We are all entitled to our own fantasies.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Our defense kept us from starting 2-6. We damn near lost to the bears and league-worst panthers.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

69.5% of his throws and had 18 touchdown passes to five interceptions

Hard to imagine that couldn't of gotten you at least into the championship game, in this year's NFC, even for an ass‐kisser ...

I believe it. Too bad god had other plans.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Our defense kept us from starting 2-6. We damn near lost to the bears and league-worst panthers.

Those two one-score 'wins' prevented Minnesota from starting 0-6... could have really been in the running for Caleb Williams. Woulda, coulda, but those were the days.