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ORIGINAL: marty

That means the Bears trading us "the next Mahomes

Yes, I believe the Bears are stupid enough to do it.

Just need to convince them this is another Herschel Walker trade, give them the best offer, and affirm that Fields can still do it for them, he just needs all the pieces surrounding him. And further, convince them that Williams will be a bust, and that he doesn't want to play for the Bears anyway.

The Vikings get Caleb Williams, and the dream begins ....

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Situationally this could make for one of the most exciting off seasons. If we land a shiny brand new QB that we all like everything changes.

1. Can Kwesi identify/land one of the best from the group?
2. Can Kevin develop him the right way?
3. Will be have Cousins in the way as the bridge QB?

Is there a QB we all like? I don't particularly like any of them. I'm only in favor of trading up for a QB if I see the equivalent of Andrew Luck or Joe Burrow.

R U Kidding? This is one of the best classes in a while. Williams, McCarthy, Penix, Maye, and Daniels....also Rattler, Mixon, etc. in the mid rounds. Some also like Nix...he is the one I am most worried about.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

it would be a shame if we drafted a top quarterback and he didn't have jeff and allison to throw to....

If he did, we'd never know if he was a top QB.

A top QB makes decent WRs look great. To jumpstart things, the QB can throw to Let's Get Paid, aka 'Allison'. Use Break The Bank's cap on IOL.

that's just a couple of kids talking about money - it's today's world....

let go of Harry and other dead-weight players...

extend hunter....

sign a 1st tier and 2nd tier dt and a couple of solid interior o-line....

sign a CB....

draft a QB....

three years?....let's go this season, baby....

JJ, Hunter, top DL, mid-tier DT, 2x mid-tier OL, CB.

What team's cap are you stealing from or what credit cards are you using? And we need a DE. And ILB. And we have ZERO backup OL if they hit free agency.

Agree on Smith, but what other dead weight players?

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ORIGINAL: David F.

I’ve read quite a few replies in social media from known, reputable names saying all 32 teams use PFF. I subscribed to PFF a few years ago and can confirm they have some real deep dive stuff. The “game grades” that get circulated amount to almost nothing compare to the whole of what’s available from them.

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ORIGINAL: marty

Why? Their GM has been "GM-ing" circles around ours....

I hope Poles feels that way, gets cocky and decides he can fleece the Vikings by trading the #1 pick to them.

The only move I have been impressed with the Bears is Montez Sweat. Their OL still sucks, the Pittsburgh WR sucked, not sure their drafting has been all that great.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Looking forward to moving past 2023 now. Tired of great playoff football, to be honest.

Intrigued fascinated roused (not aroused) nervous apprehensive about the offseason.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

How can any sane person. Watch all of the teams in the entirety of the playoffs, and still stick with the thought that “ Kirk Cousins …”

What a loser choice for franchise QB..

Cap albatross and definition of “never damn good enough” except for a tight collar choke job when leadership is needed..

I’d take Justin Fields over Cousins..

When a guy with his experience doesn't know you have to spike the ball with no timeouts late in a game...

That's all you really need to know.

Time to move on. Take your lumps with a rookie

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Our management and ownership are broken..

Our head coach is a square into round pounder of QB pegs..

He has no clue about game flow or how to exploit a weaknesss untillthey stop it more than once.

The defense is made up of 2-3 players executing the scheme, and 8 others just trying to not get penalized, burnt for not doing their assignment or thinking their particular position has no bearing on a play as it develops.

We have too many c b and safety players who are trying to make splash plays and whiffing badly.

Guys who can not cover, even in a zone.
They lack the speed to cover ground and close on throws to an area.
Sitting down in a Vikings zone isalmost always a guaranteed completion.
I am dismayed and aghast at how wide open receivers are in our pass defense..

Man to man is worse than useless against mobile QB’s..

Despite ample evidence from many consistently contending teams, that you offense is only as god ad your control of the LOS is on both side, our management and staff drafts receivers and CB’s, completely ignoring the fact that time to throw or no time to read route trees and make throws against a rush has a far bigger impact on success than the flashy catches made on less than accurate throws.

Getting gashed for yards between the 20’s is now completely acceptable.

The “ three man rush” is an invitation to let opposing receivers work the zones and pulling guards to lead sweeps and s teens..


Broken philosophy and misuse of personnel, who are marginal at best in most positions, is our well exploited position on both sides of the ball..

Points win games, defense wins games.

Yards and completion % are useless mvp contract padding stats.

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: David F.

I’ve read quite a few replies in social media from known, reputable names saying all 32 teams use PFF. I subscribed to PFF a few years ago and can confirm they have some real deep dive stuff. The “game grades” that get circulated amount to almost nothing compare to the whole of what’s available from them.

It's strange that he would single out PFF. Almost like a shout out, a plug. There are a multitude of sources available and used by NFL teams. Did he even mention our data/analytics team? Do we have one? What do they do, read PFF reports and report back to the boss? Seriously, I have no clue what our analytics team does. What's their budget? Who is on the team?

I would hope any team serious about contending for a championship would build and properly fund a data/analytics team better than one available to all of the other teams.

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

it would be a shame if we drafted a top quarterback and he didn't have jeff and allison to throw to....

If he did, we'd never know if he was a top QB.

A top QB makes decent WRs look great. To jumpstart things, the QB can throw to Let's Get Paid, aka 'Allison'. Use Break The Bank's cap on IOL.

that's just a couple of kids talking about money - it's today's world....

let go of Harry and other dead-weight players...

extend hunter....

sign a 1st tier and 2nd tier dt and a couple of solid interior o-line....

sign a CB....

draft a QB....

three years?....let's go this season, baby....

JJ, Hunter, top DL, mid-tier DT, 2x mid-tier OL, CB.

What team's cap are you stealing from or what credit cards are you using? And we need a DE. And ILB. And we have ZERO backup OL if they hit free agency.

Agree on Smith, but what other dead weight players?

spotrac:

Bradbury...$5.7mm
lowry...$4.5mm
hunter...$14.8mm (dead money that factors out)
smith...$11.5mm

rework jefferson...$5mm
restructure o'neill...$9.2mm

present effective cap space...$20mm

adjusted cap space total...$70mm

jefferson...$already factored in
hunter...$15mm
top DL...$15mm (maybe less 1st year)
Mid-tier DL...$6mm
mid-tier OL (center)...$5mm
mid-tier OL (guard)...$5mm
CB...$5mm

sub total of new deals...$61.mm

new effective cap space...$9mm

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

it would be a shame if we drafted a top quarterback and he didn't have jeff and allison to throw to....

If he did, we'd never know if he was a top QB.

A top QB makes decent WRs look great. To jumpstart things, the QB can throw to Let's Get Paid, aka 'Allison'. Use Break The Bank's cap on IOL.

that's just a couple of kids talking about money - it's today's world....

let go of Harry and other dead-weight players...

extend hunter....

sign a 1st tier and 2nd tier dt and a couple of solid interior o-line....

sign a CB....

draft a QB....

three years?....let's go this season, baby....

JJ, Hunter, top DL, mid-tier DT, 2x mid-tier OL, CB.

What team's cap are you stealing from or what credit cards are you using? And we need a DE. And ILB. And we have ZERO backup OL if they hit free agency.

Agree on Smith, but what other dead weight players?

spotrac:

Bradbury...$5.7mm
lowry...$4.5mm
hunter...$14.8mm (dead money that factors out)
smith...$11.5mm

rework jefferson...$5mm
restructure o'neill...$9.2mm

present effective cap space...$20mm

adjusted cap space total...$70mm

jefferson...$already factored in
hunter...$15mm
top DL...$15mm (maybe less 1st year)
Mid-tier DL...$6mm
mid-tier OL (center)...$5mm
mid-tier OL (guard)...$5mm
CB...$5mm

sub total of new deals...$61.mm

new effective cap space...$9mm

I did the spotrac manage roster deal too.

We get to 60M by just doing some common sense transactions. Cutting Smith, Bradbury, Lowry, re-negotiating Hockenson.

Our cap space is middle of the pack, average age is middle of the pack. There is talent on the roster. Not as dire straits as we think.

Kwesi still needs a home run off season though.

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ORIGINAL: marty

Moore was ok, not sure he is great, and they'll have to be paying him. The Packers seem to draft guys like him in later draft rounds.

I did give him credit for Sweat, I think that is a great pick up.

I am not obsessed with Williams, I just feel he is the best one, and would be worth taking a chance on him, even if it costs a lot..

Otherwise, I would probably stay put and go with Penix or JJ. I am not sure if I would trade up for Maye or Daniels.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

it would be a shame if we drafted a top quarterback and he didn't have jeff and allison to throw to....

If he did, we'd never know if he was a top QB.

A top QB makes decent WRs look great. To jumpstart things, the QB can throw to Let's Get Paid, aka 'Allison'. Use Break The Bank's cap on IOL.

that's just a couple of kids talking about money - it's today's world....

let go of Harry and other dead-weight players...

extend hunter....

sign a 1st tier and 2nd tier dt and a couple of solid interior o-line....

sign a CB....

draft a QB....

three years?....let's go this season, baby....

JJ, Hunter, top DL, mid-tier DT, 2x mid-tier OL, CB.

What team's cap are you stealing from or what credit cards are you using? And we need a DE. And ILB. And we have ZERO backup OL if they hit free agency.

Agree on Smith, but what other dead weight players?

spotrac:

Bradbury...$5.7mm
lowry...$4.5mm
hunter...$14.8mm (dead money that factors out)
smith...$11.5mm

rework jefferson...$5mm
restructure o'neill...$9.2mm

present effective cap space...$20mm

adjusted cap space total...$70mm

jefferson...$already factored in
hunter...$15mm
top DL...$15mm (maybe less 1st year)
Mid-tier DL...$6mm
mid-tier OL (center)...$5mm
mid-tier OL (guard)...$5mm
CB...$5mm

sub total of new deals...$61.mm

new effective cap space...$9mm

I did the spotrac manage roster deal too.

We get to 60M by just doing some common sense transactions. Cutting Smith, Bradbury, Lowry, re-negotiating Hockenson.

Our cap space is middle of the pack, average age is middle of the pack. There is talent on the roster. Not as dire straits as we think.

Kwesi still needs a home run off season though.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

it would be a shame if we drafted a top quarterback and he didn't have jeff and allison to throw to....

If he did, we'd never know if he was a top QB.

A top QB makes decent WRs look great. To jumpstart things, the QB can throw to Let's Get Paid, aka 'Allison'. Use Break The Bank's cap on IOL.

that's just a couple of kids talking about money - it's today's world....

let go of Harry and other dead-weight players...

extend hunter....

sign a 1st tier and 2nd tier dt and a couple of solid interior o-line....

sign a CB....

draft a QB....

three years?....let's go this season, baby....

JJ, Hunter, top DL, mid-tier DT, 2x mid-tier OL, CB.

What team's cap are you stealing from or what credit cards are you using? And we need a DE. And ILB. And we have ZERO backup OL if they hit free agency.

Agree on Smith, but what other dead weight players?

spotrac:

Bradbury...$5.7mm
lowry...$4.5mm
hunter...$14.8mm (dead money that factors out)
smith...$11.5mm

rework jefferson...$5mm
restructure o'neill...$9.2mm

present effective cap space...$20mm

adjusted cap space total...$70mm

jefferson...$already factored in
hunter...$15mm
top DL...$15mm (maybe less 1st year)
Mid-tier DL...$6mm
mid-tier OL (center)...$5mm
mid-tier OL (guard)...$5mm
CB...$5mm

sub total of new deals...$61.mm

new effective cap space...$9mm

I did the spotrac manage roster deal too.

We get to 60M by just doing some common sense transactions. Cutting Smith, Bradbury, Lowry, re-negotiating Hockenson.

Our cap space is middle of the pack, average age is middle of the pack. There is talent on the roster. Not as dire straits as we think.

Kwesi still needs a home run off season though.

Outside of Hunter, what talent is there on defense? Flores held it together by going full-whacked with the schemes until those pesky OCs figured things out.

Assuming the contracts for eligible FAs do expire and Smith/Lowry are cut, here is our defense:

DL: Phillips, Roy, T.J. Smith
LB/Edge: Jones, Carter, Pace, Asamoah, Kwenkeu
CB: Blackmon, Murphy, Evans, Booth, Thompson
S: Metellus, Bynum, Cine, Ward, Jackson

IMO, the only players worth starting are Pace, Blackmon, and maybe one of the safeties (the best coverage safety).

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ORIGINAL: Lars

You have to get the QB position right first. Period. We don't have that on our roster - with or without Cousins. The answer is not in FA. Therefore, we HAVE to draft a guy. First round. Period (I would take McCarthy).

Then you have to solidify the LOS. That means we need IOL, DT and have to deal with Hunter. I resign Hunter, let Bradbury go, and take a look at O'Neil. Draft more.

I would NOT sign JJ to a big contract. If he has trade value, I take it all day long.

HSmith - time to retire.

Draft more CB.

This should be a full rebuild year. Do it right, and next year they have a whole additional draft to keep restocking...

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

it would be a shame if we drafted a top quarterback and he didn't have jeff and allison to throw to....

If he did, we'd never know if he was a top QB.

A top QB makes decent WRs look great. To jumpstart things, the QB can throw to Let's Get Paid, aka 'Allison'. Use Break The Bank's cap on IOL.

that's just a couple of kids talking about money - it's today's world....

let go of Harry and other dead-weight players...

extend hunter....

sign a 1st tier and 2nd tier dt and a couple of solid interior o-line....

sign a CB....

draft a QB....

three years?....let's go this season, baby....

JJ, Hunter, top DL, mid-tier DT, 2x mid-tier OL, CB.

What team's cap are you stealing from or what credit cards are you using? And we need a DE. And ILB. And we have ZERO backup OL if they hit free agency.

Agree on Smith, but what other dead weight players?

spotrac:

Bradbury...$5.7mm
lowry...$4.5mm
hunter...$14.8mm (dead money that factors out)
smith...$11.5mm

rework jefferson...$5mm
restructure o'neill...$9.2mm

present effective cap space...$20mm

adjusted cap space total...$70mm

jefferson...$already factored in
hunter...$15mm
top DL...$15mm (maybe less 1st year)
Mid-tier DL...$6mm
mid-tier OL (center)...$5mm
mid-tier OL (guard)...$5mm
CB...$5mm

sub total of new deals...$61.mm

new effective cap space...$9mm

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Lars

You have to get the QB position right first. Period. We don't have that on our roster - with or without Cousins. The answer is not in FA. Therefore, we HAVE to draft a guy. First round. Period (I would take McCarthy).

Then you have to solidify the LOS. That means we need IOL, DT and have to deal with Hunter. I resign Hunter, let Bradbury go, and take a look at O'Neil. Draft more.

I would NOT sign JJ to a big contract. If he has trade value, I take it all day long.

HSmith - time to retire.

Draft more CB.

This should be a full rebuild year. Do it right, and next year they have a whole additional draft to keep restocking...

We seem to have trouble drafting solid CBs. Rhodes being the last one that really panned out.

Go get a proven one in FA.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

it would be a shame if we drafted a top quarterback and he didn't have jeff and allison to throw to....

If he did, we'd never know if he was a top QB.

A top QB makes decent WRs look great. To jumpstart things, the QB can throw to Let's Get Paid, aka 'Allison'. Use Break The Bank's cap on IOL.

that's just a couple of kids talking about money - it's today's world....

let go of Harry and other dead-weight players...

extend hunter....

sign a 1st tier and 2nd tier dt and a couple of solid interior o-line....

sign a CB....

draft a QB....

three years?....let's go this season, baby....

JJ, Hunter, top DL, mid-tier DT, 2x mid-tier OL, CB.

What team's cap are you stealing from or what credit cards are you using? And we need a DE. And ILB. And we have ZERO backup OL if they hit free agency.

Agree on Smith, but what other dead weight players?

spotrac:

Bradbury...$5.7mm
lowry...$4.5mm
hunter...$14.8mm (dead money that factors out)
smith...$11.5mm

rework jefferson...$5mm
restructure o'neill...$9.2mm

present effective cap space...$20mm

adjusted cap space total...$70mm

jefferson...$already factored in
hunter...$15mm
top DL...$15mm (maybe less 1st year)
Mid-tier DL...$6mm
mid-tier OL (center)...$5mm
mid-tier OL (guard)...$5mm
CB...$5mm

sub total of new deals...$61.mm

new effective cap space...$9mm

I did the spotrac manage roster deal too.

We get to 60M by just doing some common sense transactions. Cutting Smith, Bradbury, Lowry, re-negotiating Hockenson.

Our cap space is middle of the pack, average age is middle of the pack. There is talent on the roster. Not as dire straits as we think.

Kwesi still needs a home run off season though.

Outside of Hunter, what talent is there on defense? Flores held it together by going full-whacked with the schemes until those pesky OCs figured things out.

Assuming the contracts for eligible FAs do expire and Smith/Lowry are cut, here is our defense:

DL: Phillips, Roy, T.J. Smith
LB/Edge: Jones, Carter, Pace, Asamoah, Kwenkeu
CB: Blackmon, Murphy, Evans, Booth, Thompson
S: Metellus, Bynum, Cine, Ward, Jackson

IMO, the only players worth starting are Pace, Blackmon, and maybe one of the safeties (the best coverage safety).

Obviously the defense needs more. If you acquire a #1 like Sneed, Murphy and Blackmon look a lot better as #2 and #3 CBs.

Offense has talent. We can make life for a rookie QB easier than a lot of teams.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Lars

You have to get the QB position right first. Period. We don't have that on our roster - with or without Cousins. The answer is not in FA. Therefore, we HAVE to draft a guy. First round. Period (I would take McCarthy).

Then you have to solidify the LOS. That means we need IOL, DT and have to deal with Hunter. I resign Hunter, let Bradbury go, and take a look at O'Neil. Draft more.

I would NOT sign JJ to a big contract. If he has trade value, I take it all day long.

HSmith - time to retire.

Draft more CB.

This should be a full rebuild year. Do it right, and next year they have a whole additional draft to keep restocking...

We seem to have trouble drafting solid CBs. Rhodes being the last one that really panned out.

Go get a proven one in FA.

We tried with Murphy. He was ok but what really stings is Cine/Booth vetrsus Hamilton/Mcduffy