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RE: Twins off-season - 1/2/2024 8:25:21 AM

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You also have to look at postseasons.

Molitor and Winfield both played in two WS - each winning one.

Mauer has 11 hits in 10 postseason games.

Puckett isn't in the Hall without his WS wins.

You are gonna discount Mauer because of 10 postseason games? That's stupid.

No, because his career numbers combined with a lack of playoff success don't amount to a HOF career.

Wanna bet?

Nope. He may be Inducted, but that doesn't mean he actually deserves it. The voters have a long history of selecting undeserving players like Bill Mazeroski, Luis Apparicio and Rabbit Maranville. The HOF has become the Hall of You Really Don’t Have to be All That Special.

If you feel that strongly about it, put up a pole barn in the backyard and call it "The Hall of Ballplayers approved by the Bastard" or something similar. You can charge admission to everyone who cares about your choices.

Aren't there more important things to concern yourself with?

Matt brought up the topic and we're debating it. Last time I checked, this is still a baseball forum.

So you focused on the least important part of my statement and ignored the lead...

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/2/2024 8:48:06 AM

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You also have to look at postseasons.

Molitor and Winfield both played in two WS - each winning one.

Mauer has 11 hits in 10 postseason games.

Puckett isn't in the Hall without his WS wins.

You are gonna discount Mauer because of 10 postseason games? That's stupid.

No, because his career numbers combined with a lack of playoff success don't amount to a HOF career.

Wanna bet?

Nope. He may be Inducted, but that doesn't mean he actually deserves it. The voters have a long history of selecting undeserving players like Bill Mazeroski, Luis Apparicio and Rabbit Maranville. The HOF has become the Hall of You Really Don’t Have to be All That Special.

If you feel that strongly about it, put up a pole barn in the backyard and call it "The Hall of Ballplayers approved by the Bastard" or something similar. You can charge admission to everyone who cares about your choices.

Aren't there more important things to concern yourself with?

Matt brought up the topic and we're debating it. Last time I checked, this is still a baseball forum.

So you focused on the least important part of my statement and ignored the lead...

Was any of it important?

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/2/2024 8:04:23 PM

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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You also have to look at postseasons.

Molitor and Winfield both played in two WS - each winning one.

Mauer has 11 hits in 10 postseason games.

Puckett isn't in the Hall without his WS wins.

You are gonna discount Mauer because of 10 postseason games? That's stupid.

No, because his career numbers combined with a lack of playoff success don't amount to a HOF career.

Wanna bet?

Nope. He may be Inducted, but that doesn't mean he actually deserves it. The voters have a long history of selecting undeserving players like Bill Mazeroski, Luis Apparicio and Rabbit Maranville. The HOF has become the Hall of You Really Don’t Have to be All That Special.

If you feel that strongly about it, put up a pole barn in the backyard and call it "The Hall of Ballplayers approved by the Bastard" or something similar. You can charge admission to everyone who cares about your choices.

Aren't there more important things to concern yourself with?

Matt brought up the topic and we're debating it. Last time I checked, this is still a baseball forum.

So you focused on the least important part of my statement and ignored the lead...

Was any of it important?

The fact that your are a BASTARD is important, or at least it used to be.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/3/2024 7:12:06 AM

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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You also have to look at postseasons.

Molitor and Winfield both played in two WS - each winning one.

Mauer has 11 hits in 10 postseason games.

Puckett isn't in the Hall without his WS wins.

You are gonna discount Mauer because of 10 postseason games? That's stupid.

No, because his career numbers combined with a lack of playoff success don't amount to a HOF career.

Wanna bet?

Nope. He may be Inducted, but that doesn't mean he actually deserves it. The voters have a long history of selecting undeserving players like Bill Mazeroski, Luis Apparicio and Rabbit Maranville. The HOF has become the Hall of You Really Don’t Have to be All That Special.

If you feel that strongly about it, put up a pole barn in the backyard and call it "The Hall of Ballplayers approved by the Bastard" or something similar. You can charge admission to everyone who cares about your choices.

Aren't there more important things to concern yourself with?

Matt brought up the topic and we're debating it. Last time I checked, this is still a baseball forum.

So you focused on the least important part of my statement and ignored the lead...

Was any of it important?

The fact that your are a BASTARD is important, or at least it used to be.

A title the late Todd Gray bestowed upon me and I wear it with honor. There are few people I miss as much in this forum.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/3/2024 10:38:00 AM

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I am wondering if we'll do anything with this offseason at all besides ridding ourselves of Pagan, Gray, Maeda etc and adding one bullpen arm.

Boy, things sure are encouraging right now....

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/3/2024 10:50:10 AM

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I am wondering if we'll do anything with this offseason at all besides ridding ourselves of Pagan, Gray, Maeda etc and adding one bullpen arm.

Boy, things sure are encouraging right now....

Yes. We'll shed Polanco's, Kepler's and Vasquez's salaries.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/3/2024 12:03:51 PM

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I am wondering if we'll do anything with this offseason at all besides ridding ourselves of Pagan, Gray, Maeda etc and adding one bullpen arm.

Boy, things sure are encouraging right now....

Yes. We'll shed Polanco's, Kepler's and Vasquez's salaries.

That would be smart if we can get anything of value for them.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/3/2024 12:41:10 PM

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I am wondering if we'll do anything with this offseason at all besides ridding ourselves of Pagan, Gray, Maeda etc and adding one bullpen arm.

Boy, things sure are encouraging right now....

Yes. We'll shed Polanco's, Kepler's and Vasquez's salaries.

That would be smart if we can get anything of value for them.

They're not interested in getting value. They want to get rid of their contracts. The Twins biggest issue in the off-season is the Bally deal. They will make a lot less off Bally after the bankruptcy and they are chopping payroll in response.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/3/2024 3:17:04 PM

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The Twins biggest issue in the off-season is the Bally deal. They will make a lot less off Bally after the bankruptcy and they are chopping payroll in response.

Given the length of time since this all started, you'd think Plan B would have been in place.

Did they just think someone was swooping in to save them? Seems short-sighted.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/3/2024 4:32:54 PM

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The Twins biggest issue in the off-season is the Bally deal. They will make a lot less off Bally after the bankruptcy and they are chopping payroll in response.

Given the length of time since this all started, you'd think Plan B would have been in place.
Did they just think someone was swooping in to save them? Seems short-sighted.

Why did they basically call a presser as soon as the season was over.....it would be something you think they wouldn't want to talk publicly about.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/3/2024 5:41:23 PM

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The Twins biggest issue in the off-season is the Bally deal. They will make a lot less off Bally after the bankruptcy and they are chopping payroll in response.

Given the length of time since this all started, you'd think Plan B would have been in place.
Did they just think someone was swooping in to save them? Seems short-sighted.

Why did they basically call a presser as soon as the season was over.....it would be something you think they wouldn't want to talk publicly about.

because they're idiots

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/3/2024 9:09:11 PM

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The Twins biggest issue in the off-season is the Bally deal. They will make a lot less off Bally after the bankruptcy and they are chopping payroll in response.

Given the length of time since this all started, you'd think Plan B would have been in place.
Did they just think someone was swooping in to save them? Seems short-sighted.

Why did they basically call a presser as soon as the season was over.....it would be something you think they wouldn't want to talk publicly about.

because they're idiots

True, but from a wider perspective aren't we really the idiots?

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/4/2024 7:24:10 AM

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The Twins biggest issue in the off-season is the Bally deal. They will make a lot less off Bally after the bankruptcy and they are chopping payroll in response.

Given the length of time since this all started, you'd think Plan B would have been in place.

Did they just think someone was swooping in to save them? Seems short-sighted.

The problem is that chopping payroll is always plan A.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/4/2024 7:27:44 AM

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The Twins biggest issue in the off-season is the Bally deal. They will make a lot less off Bally after the bankruptcy and they are chopping payroll in response.

Given the length of time since this all started, you'd think Plan B would have been in place.
Did they just think someone was swooping in to save them? Seems short-sighted.

Why did they basically call a presser as soon as the season was over.....it would be something you think they wouldn't want to talk publicly about.

because they're idiots

That presser just kills me. Nothing about plans for next year's roster or how they plan to build on this year's success. The only stated off season objective was to cut payroll.

I say now as I said then. Fuk you, you cheap bastards.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/4/2024 8:57:13 AM

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The Twins biggest issue in the off-season is the Bally deal. They will make a lot less off Bally after the bankruptcy and they are chopping payroll in response.

Given the length of time since this all started, you'd think Plan B would have been in place.
Did they just think someone was swooping in to save them? Seems short-sighted.

Why did they basically call a presser as soon as the season was over.....it would be something you think they wouldn't want to talk publicly about.

because they're idiots

True, but from a wider perspective aren't we really the idiots?

I'm not. Bally Sports North was on YouTube TV and when it was dropped, I tried briefly to find alternatives and then decided why bother. I refuse to spend any money on the Twins with such a short sighted marketing approach. My wife's best friend has a condo in Fort Meyers and our plan was to visit her in March one year so I could take in ST games. We'll visit her but I won't spend a dime on the Twins.
I could care less whether or not Mauer gets into the HOF. I might listen to the Twins on radio but other than regularly following the box scores, I could care less. My apathy applies to the MN Vikings, TWolves (even though they are finally good) and trending toward the Wild. I could care less about Gopher football and Gopher Women's BB and VB are the sports I follow along with Gopher hockey.

I'll spend money on the Twins when they are sold by the Pohlads.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/4/2024 9:19:22 AM

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The Twins biggest issue in the off-season is the Bally deal. They will make a lot less off Bally after the bankruptcy and they are chopping payroll in response.

Given the length of time since this all started, you'd think Plan B would have been in place.

Did they just think someone was swooping in to save them? Seems short-sighted.

The problem is that chopping payroll is always plan A.

It was always going to be plan A, regardless of the broadcasting deal. They're just using that as an excuse. They could have increased payroll and stated that they know a deal would get done with somebody eventually and that will cover the problem. But no, they couldn't wait to trot out the excuse....

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/4/2024 9:22:29 AM

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ORIGINAL: Mister Ed

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The Twins biggest issue in the off-season is the Bally deal. They will make a lot less off Bally after the bankruptcy and they are chopping payroll in response.

Given the length of time since this all started, you'd think Plan B would have been in place.
Did they just think someone was swooping in to save them? Seems short-sighted.

Why did they basically call a presser as soon as the season was over.....it would be something you think they wouldn't want to talk publicly about.

because they're idiots

That presser just kills me. Nothing about plans for next year's roster or how they plan to build on this year's success. The only stated off season objective was to cut payroll.

I say now as I said then. Fuk you, you cheap bastards.

Why not appreciate the honesty?

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/4/2024 10:15:41 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkgQvpYOowk

Philly sports talk on HOF. Mauer is discussed at the 7:50 mark.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/4/2024 11:17:52 AM

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ORIGINAL: Mister Ed

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The Twins biggest issue in the off-season is the Bally deal. They will make a lot less off Bally after the bankruptcy and they are chopping payroll in response.

Given the length of time since this all started, you'd think Plan B would have been in place.
Did they just think someone was swooping in to save them? Seems short-sighted.

Why did they basically call a presser as soon as the season was over.....it would be something you think they wouldn't want to talk publicly about.

because they're idiots

That presser just kills me. Nothing about plans for next year's roster or how they plan to build on this year's success. The only stated off season objective was to cut payroll.

I say now as I said then. Fuk you, you cheap bastards.

Why not appreciate the honesty?

You mean the ones buying season tickets no matter what?

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/4/2024 11:20:05 AM

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: MDK

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Mister Ed

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The Twins biggest issue in the off-season is the Bally deal. They will make a lot less off Bally after the bankruptcy and they are chopping payroll in response.

Given the length of time since this all started, you'd think Plan B would have been in place.
Did they just think someone was swooping in to save them? Seems short-sighted.

Why did they basically call a presser as soon as the season was over.....it would be something you think they wouldn't want to talk publicly about.

because they're idiots

That presser just kills me. Nothing about plans for next year's roster or how they plan to build on this year's success. The only stated off season objective was to cut payroll.

I say now as I said then. Fuk you, you cheap bastards.

Why not appreciate the honesty?

Because I'm not a sheep.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/4/2024 11:21:19 AM

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ORIGINAL: Mister Ed

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The Twins biggest issue in the off-season is the Bally deal. They will make a lot less off Bally after the bankruptcy and they are chopping payroll in response.

Given the length of time since this all started, you'd think Plan B would have been in place.
Did they just think someone was swooping in to save them? Seems short-sighted.

Why did they basically call a presser as soon as the season was over.....it would be something you think they wouldn't want to talk publicly about.

because they're idiots

True, but from a wider perspective aren't we really the idiots?

I'm not. Bally Sports North was on YouTube TV and when it was dropped, I tried briefly to find alternatives and then decided why bother. I refuse to spend any money on the Twins with such a short sighted marketing approach. My wife's best friend has a condo in Fort Meyers and our plan was to visit her in March one year so I could take in ST games. We'll visit her but I won't spend a dime on the Twins.
I could care less whether or not Mauer gets into the HOF. I might listen to the Twins on radio but other than regularly following the box scores, I could care less. My apathy applies to the MN Vikings, TWolves (even though they are finally good) and trending toward the Wild. I could care less about Gopher football and Gopher Women's BB and VB are the sports I follow along with Gopher hockey.

I'll spend money on the Twins when they are sold by the Pohlads.

The horrible part is we finally had a roster last year that was legit in it to win it. Farmer, Taylor, Vazquez, Gallo, Stewart, then the Correa signing and the Lopez trade.....no one complaining as they seem like all solid moves.

That is the part I look at---we can still field a legit roster w/o talking about it. Get another starter in a trade for Farmer/Kepler/Polanco/Vaszquez ($38 million) for Luzardo/Seattle Pitcher and sign a Maeda replacement like Lorenzen/Imanaga and another reasonable RH bat. No one would care and payroll would still be down to around 125 million.

But you start the offseason with a daper downer that only didn't piss off Matt.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/4/2024 11:26:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: Mister Ed

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The Twins biggest issue in the off-season is the Bally deal. They will make a lot less off Bally after the bankruptcy and they are chopping payroll in response.

Given the length of time since this all started, you'd think Plan B would have been in place.
Did they just think someone was swooping in to save them? Seems short-sighted.

Why did they basically call a presser as soon as the season was over.....it would be something you think they wouldn't want to talk publicly about.

because they're idiots

True, but from a wider perspective aren't we really the idiots?

I'm not. Bally Sports North was on YouTube TV and when it was dropped, I tried briefly to find alternatives and then decided why bother. I refuse to spend any money on the Twins with such a short sighted marketing approach. My wife's best friend has a condo in Fort Meyers and our plan was to visit her in March one year so I could take in ST games. We'll visit her but I won't spend a dime on the Twins.
I could care less whether or not Mauer gets into the HOF. I might listen to the Twins on radio but other than regularly following the box scores, I could care less. My apathy applies to the MN Vikings, TWolves (even though they are finally good) and trending toward the Wild. I could care less about Gopher football and Gopher Women's BB and VB are the sports I follow along with Gopher hockey.

I'll spend money on the Twins when they are sold by the Pohlads.

They say they don't even include the ST games......in other words tons of profit.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/4/2024 11:37:50 AM

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Look for our bullpen to be solid this season, especially with the major league debut of prospect Marco Raya.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/4/2024 11:46:25 AM

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Look for our bullpen to be solid this season, especially with the major league debut of prospect Marco Raya.

Won't matter if they don't fill in 2 SP.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/8/2024 8:27:30 AM

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And....crickets.

Crickets

And more crickets. While the rest of the league and the division is going out of their way to improve, the Twins continue to use the bullshit TV rights excuse to do nothing.

****ing asshats stop sitting around with you thumb up your ass. A new TV deal WILL be reached. You have to build a winner so people will watch. You can't just rest on your laurels or teams that are trying to improve/contend like the Tigers, and Royals will easily overtake you. Standing pat is Falling Stupid.

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