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RE: Twins off-season - 2/2/2024 1:29:56 PM  2 votes
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The Twins would never trade for Burnes' situation. His contract is done after the year and he will command a huge deal after. Falvine always wants a minimum of 2 years of team control.

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RE: Twins off-season - 2/2/2024 2:38:35 PM   
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The Twins would never trade for Burnes' situation. His contract is done after the year and he will command a huge deal after. Falvine always wants a minimum of 2 years of team control.

Are you familiar with the name Hector Santiago?

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RE: Twins off-season - 2/2/2024 3:16:17 PM  1 votes
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What do the Twins see in 26 year-old AA reliever Ryan Jensen?

He's a former 1st round pick, who struck out over 10 per 9 innings in the minors.

The Twins DFA'd him today. I guess the Twins aren't as enamored with him as you are. Good call, Sweens.

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RE: Twins off-season - 2/2/2024 7:38:07 PM   
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The Twins would never trade for Burnes' situation. His contract is done after the year and he will command a huge deal after. Falvine always wants a minimum of 2 years of team control.

Are you familiar with the name Hector Santiago?

Yes what about him?

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RE: Twins off-season - 2/3/2024 7:02:29 AM   
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Carlos Santana
1 year 5.25M + incentives
Not overly excited, hits LHP pretty well.
Par for the course.

< Message edited by Mister Ed -- 2/3/2024 7:05:11 AM >


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RE: Twins off-season - 2/3/2024 7:50:15 AM   
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Carlos Santana
1 year 5.25M + incentives
Not overly excited, hits LHP pretty well.
Par for the course.



Just to say We did something with the offence to replace Palonco.
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RE: Twins off-season - 2/3/2024 8:13:38 AM   
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What do the Twins see in 26 year-old AA reliever Ryan Jensen?

He's a former 1st round pick, who struck out over 10 per 9 innings in the minors.

The Twins DFA'd him today. I guess the Twins aren't as enamored with him as you are. Good call, Sweens.

How come you cut out the other part of my response?

He's a former 1st round pick, who struck out over 10 per 9 innings in the minors. He can easily be punted if they need room on the 40 man roster.

Looks like I was spot on. 👌

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RE: Twins off-season - 2/3/2024 9:24:09 AM   
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Carlos Santana
1 year 5.25M + incentives
Not overly excited, hits LHP pretty well.
Par for the course.

I feel the same way. This does nothing to move the meter on my expectations for the season.

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RE: Twins off-season - 2/3/2024 10:29:31 AM  1 votes
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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

What do the Twins see in 26 year-old AA reliever Ryan Jensen?

He's a former 1st round pick, who struck out over 10 per 9 innings in the minors.

The Twins DFA'd him today. I guess the Twins aren't as enamored with him as you are. Good call, Sweens.

How come you cut out the other part of my response?

He's a former 1st round pick, who struck out over 10 per 9 innings in the minors. He can easily be punted if they need room on the 40 man roster.

Looks like I was spot on. 👌

Because that part didn't fit my narrative.

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RE: Twins off-season - 2/3/2024 10:34:42 AM   
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Carlos Santana
1 year 5.25M + incentives
Not overly excited, hits LHP pretty well.
Par for the course.

I feel the same way. This does nothing to move the meter on my expectations for the season.

Dude is an ironman. 146 games last season. I like the signing.

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RE: Twins off-season - 2/3/2024 4:01:44 PM   
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Polanco is a slightly better hitter than Santana...guess this gives us some Kirilloff (and Buxton) insurance. Needed.


2B -- Julien
SS -- Correa
3B -- Lewis
1B -- Santana
CF -- Buxton
DH -- Kirilloff
LF -- Wallner
RF -- Kepler
C -- Jeffers

Bench -- Vazquez, Castro, Farmer, A.Martin/Larnach/Gordon
Minors -- Brooks Lee, Martin/Larnach/Gordon, Miranda, E.Rodriguez, Y.Severino

SP -- Lopez, Ryan, Ober, Paddack, DesClafini
RP -- Duran, Jax, Topa, Stewart, Thielbar, Varland, Staumont, Alcala, Funderburk, Balazovic

Need a #2 starter.
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RE: Twins off-season - 2/4/2024 7:37:00 AM   
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Anthony DeSclafani in the Rotation Raises More Questions than Answers

Adam Friedman
By Adam Friedman

15 hours ago

While the acquisitions of reliever Justin Topa and top-100 prospect Gabriel González were exciting pieces to receive for Jorge Polanco as part of a four-player package, the inclusion of Anthony Desclafani revealed that the Twins likely finalized their 2024 rotation in an uninspiring fashion.

The addition of Desclafani leaves the rotation in a concerning spot for a team looking to contend not just for an AL Central title but also a World Series title. Slotting him in as the fifth starter leaves the backend of the rotation mediocre, doesn't address the need for an additional frontline starter to pair with Pablo López, and brings in more injury questions for a rotation full of them.

Questionable Backend of the Rotation
The Twins went into the offseason with the makings of a strong starting rotation despite the imminent departures of Sonny Gray and Kenta Maeda. They needed to acquire a frontline starter to pair with López, and Chris Paddack; Joe Ryan; and Bailey Ober would fill in. Beyond forming a 1-2 punch at the front of the rotation, the trio at the back would stand above their peers.

Despite a disappointing 2023, Ryan is projected to post a solid 4.01 ERA by Fangraphs' ZiPS projection system. ZiPS projects Ober to post a 3.98 ERA. These results would be an improvement on the Twins' worst two rotation mainstays from 2023- Ryan and Maeda, who posted a 4.51 ERA and 4.23 ERA.


If Ober and Ryan, who have shown the ability to outpitch these projections at times, meet these projections, that would be a significant step up on last year's rotation, one of the best in Twins history. DeSclafani, on the other hand, is projected to post a 4.30 ERA. That's okay and is still an improvement on Maeda and Ryan's 2023 performance, but it diminishes a potentially elite backend of the rotation. DeSclafani's presence isn't a disaster by any means, but his taking up a place on the staff prevents the back of the rotation from being the strength it could and should be.


Still Needing a Frontline Starter
With their strong lineup, bullpen, and some strong starters, the expectations for the 2024 Twins are to repeat as division champions and try to make it to the ALCS or beyond. To do that, they need an additional playoff-caliber starter without Gray.

The front office might argue that Paddack is ready to be that guy after his promising glimpses out of the bullpen in 2023. That may be true, but he has not been good since his rookie season in 2019. Five years and a Tommy John surgery later, he's not a guy to rely upon.


The Twins also might believe Ryan or Ober can step up, but they didn't show that this past year, and the Twins didn't believe in them when they planned early exits for both of them in the ALDS. Ryan especially may be able to become a high-end number two starter, but he's relying on his improved slider to work, and he needs to keep the ball in the park.

These options are not what a team that is more likely than not to make a playoff appearance per betting odds should plan on. They can still get a frontline starter before the season starts or even at the deadline, but the DeSclafani addition indicates that move won't happen. For now, these are the options, and they need to be better for the team to meet its goals in October.


Injury Questions
On top of the pure talent of the rotation not fitting with the ambitions this organization should have for 2024, it's also riddled with injury questions. Pitchers often have injury concerns, but the fewer injury concerns on the staff, the less likely injuries are to derail a promising season.

Paddack is coming off his second Tommy John surgery and hasn't pitched more than 110 innings since 2021. Ober has been fragile for his entire professional career, and his 164 innings in 2023 were the first time he pitched more than 110 innings.


DeSclafani brings a flexor strain, which he is yet to be cleared from, although there's hope he's ready by Opening Day. These concerns are enough to make one queasy about the rotation entering the year.

The Jorge Polanco trade had many interesting components and parts to be excited about. But the way the rotation shakes out with DeSclafani as the fifth starter and no additional frontline starter is not where it should be. Will the Twins make another move to upgrade their rotation to one worthy of the team, or is this it?

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RE: Twins off-season - 2/5/2024 8:22:53 AM   
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Jeffers and Kepler both make MLB's All-Underrated Team.

https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-all-underrated-team-2024

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RE: Twins off-season - 2/5/2024 8:51:44 AM   
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Carlos Santana
1 year 5.25M + incentives
Not overly excited, hits LHP pretty well.
Par for the course.



Just to say We did something with the offence to replace Palonco.


More like insurance if Kiriloff gets hurt again, Miranda can't return, etc etc etc.

Plus he hits lefty's well...which we need in this pretty left handed lineup.

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RE: Twins off-season - 2/5/2024 9:15:43 AM   
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Jay Jackson? Another RP?

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RE: Twins off-season - 2/5/2024 11:05:08 AM   
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Jay Jackson? Another RP?

He's a hard worker.

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RE: Twins off-season - 2/5/2024 11:19:36 AM   
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Jackson is a good bullpen depth arm. Jackson is well traveled, including couple of stints in Japan. It's surprising he hasn't worked more consistently in the majors. His numbers are decent.

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RE: Twins off-season - 2/5/2024 1:01:28 PM  2 votes
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Well Shit.


Pohlad Family "Not Considering" Selling Twins
By Mark Polishuk | February 4, 2024 at 10:58pm CDT

With David Rubenstein’s ownership group set to buy the Orioles, there have been some inevitable questions about which MLB team might be the next to be put onto the market. The Twins can be firmly removed from that discussion, as Joe Pohlad told Phil Miller of the Minneapolis Star Tribune that “we are not considering [selling]. We are in it for the long term.”

Carl Pohlad bought the Twins in 1984, and Joe (Carl’s grandson) is now the third generation of the family to oversee the team’s day-to-day operations. “This is something that brings our family together, something we enjoy being a part of. We love getting together at the ballpark,” Joe Pohlad said. “And not only is it a family asset, it’s a community asset. We take that seriously, being part of the community and stewards of the team.” The younger Pohlad’s first year overseeing the Twins was a notable one, as Minnesota won the AL Central and then won their first playoff series since 2022 before bowing out in the ALDS.


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RE: Twins off-season - 2/5/2024 2:04:20 PM   
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Well Shit.


Pohlad Family "Not Considering" Selling Twins
By Mark Polishuk | February 4, 2024 at 10:58pm CDT

With David Rubenstein’s ownership group set to buy the Orioles, there have been some inevitable questions about which MLB team might be the next to be put onto the market. The Twins can be firmly removed from that discussion, as Joe Pohlad told Phil Miller of the Minneapolis Star Tribune that “we are not considering [selling]. We are in it for the long term.”

Carl Pohlad bought the Twins in 1984, and Joe (Carl’s grandson) is now the third generation of the family to oversee the team’s day-to-day operations. “This is something that brings our family together, something we enjoy being a part of. We love getting together at the ballpark,” Joe Pohlad said. “And not only is it a family asset, it’s a community asset. We take that seriously, being part of the community and stewards of the team.” The younger Pohlad’s first year overseeing the Twins was a notable one, as Minnesota won the AL Central and then won their first playoff series since 2022 before bowing out in the ALDS.




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RE: Twins off-season - 2/5/2024 2:06:23 PM   
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Jackson is a good bullpen depth arm. Jackson is well traveled, including couple of stints in Japan. It's surprising he hasn't worked more consistently in the majors. His numbers are decent.


Yeah. Hard to fault this "bargain bin" signing:

92-94 mph fastball and good slider. Has a 2.73 ERA with 56 strikeouts in 53 innings since returning from Japan in 2021.
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RE: Twins off-season - 2/5/2024 2:31:54 PM   
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Jackson is a good bullpen depth arm. Jackson is well traveled, including couple of stints in Japan. It's surprising he hasn't worked more consistently in the majors. His numbers are decent.


Yeah. Hard to fault this "bargain bin" signing:

92-94 mph fastball and good slider. Has a 2.73 ERA with 56 strikeouts in 53 innings since returning from Japan in 2021.


He wasn't just a below radar signing....after they signed him not much mention on Twitter.

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RE: Twins off-season - 2/6/2024 7:27:28 AM   
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So apparently there may be another year of Baily. To double down on how bad of marketing plan this is......they weren't on Hulu or youtube TV last year plus before Christmas you will be cutting because of the TV contract. So what kind of box does that put you in if you actually get near the same amount of money this year in TV money from Baily but yet you spend as if they are getting 0?

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RE: Twins off-season - 2/6/2024 12:10:46 PM   
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Carlos Santana
1 year 5.25M + incentives
Not overly excited, hits LHP pretty well.
Par for the course.

I feel the same way. This does nothing to move the meter on my expectations for the season.

Best part of it is he won't be hitting against us.

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RE: Twins off-season - 2/6/2024 2:12:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Mister Ed

Carlos Santana
1 year 5.25M + incentives
Not overly excited, hits LHP pretty well.
Par for the course.

I feel the same way. This does nothing to move the meter on my expectations for the season.

Best part of it is he won't be hitting against us.

Yep
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RE: Twins off-season - 2/6/2024 7:24:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Mister Ed

Carlos Santana
1 year 5.25M + incentives
Not overly excited, hits LHP pretty well.
Par for the course.

I feel the same way. This does nothing to move the meter on my expectations for the season.

Best part of it is he won't be hitting against us.


Yeah, decent guy to have around at a decent price. But if this is the biggest off season move, I expected more, especially in the starting pitching area.
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