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ORIGINAL: Murph

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Up to 3 for Maye seems like the most likely scenarios.

I don’t see a way Chicago and Washington move from their spots but New England likely will with Daniels off the board.

I still say if you want #3, you're going to have to get #5 first.

3 to 11 is too far of a drop.

Maybe they're working on a 3 team trade?

Vikings, Patriots and Chargers?

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

I think if you can do the swap, the 300 points don’t matter.

You can somewhat throw the chart out when trading that high - and for QBs.

That said, I don’t do the trade unless I have the trade up to 2 or 3 in place.

I’d probably rather have Penix at 11 and a player at 24 than just McCarthy at 5.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

I think if you can do the swap, the 300 points don’t matter.

You can somewhat throw the chart out when trading that high - and for QBs.

That said, I don’t do the trade unless I have the trade up to 2 or 3 in place.

I’d probably rather have Penix at 11 and a player at 23 than just McCarthy at 5.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

I think if you can do the swap, the 300 points don’t matter.

You can somewhat throw the chart out when trading that high - and for QBs.

That said, I don’t do the trade unless I have the trade up to 2 or 3 in place.

I’d probably rather have Penix at 11 and a player at 24 than just McCarthy at 5.

Agreed. I would rather pick at 11 & 23 than 5. A deal for #3 has to be in place.

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

I think if you can do the swap, the 300 points don’t matter.

You can somewhat throw the chart out when trading that high - and for QBs.

That said, I don’t do the trade unless I have the trade up to 2 or 3 in place.

I’d probably rather have Penix at 11 and a player at 24 than just McCarthy at 5.

Agreed. I would rather pick at 11 & 23 than 5. A deal for #3 has to be in place.

Agree with both of you!

I also think a trade to 4 then 3 could be on the table as easily as 5 to 3, but yes, we need the trades in place to get to top 3 or don't do it

can't blow the trade up to 5 and settle for JJ McCarthy...that would feel like a huge blunder after such a promising set up

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Daniels @2
Maye @3
McCarthy @5
Penix @11

I’ll roll with whatever shakes out. I feel they’d pay for top choice but it takes a seller and a buyer. They’re putting in their best effort so it’ll be hard not to give them kudos.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Daniels @2
Maye @3
McCarthy @5
Penix @11

I’ll roll with whatever shakes out. I feel they’d pay for top choice but it takes a seller and a buyer. They’re putting in their best effort so it’ll be hard not to give them kudos.

If I knew Penix would somehow overcome the injury thing, I might put him before Maye and McCarthy but with that unknown I’m not sure I take before our 23rd pick.

McCarthy is such a huge gamble … I would take him at 5 but I would be rubbing the tummy of my little draft buddha.

But yes … if our draft falls somwhere on your list, I would give the prospect a benefit of the doubt and give Kwesi a lot of credit for making something happen … even if I think its too a reach.

This year so far feels like it is working on a different spectrum than the previous two.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Daniels @2
Maye @3
McCarthy @5
Penix @11

I’ll roll with whatever shakes out. I feel they’d pay for top choice but it takes a seller and a buyer. They’re putting in their best effort so it’ll be hard not to give them kudos.

If I knew Penix would somehow overcome the injury thing, I might put him before Maye and McCarthy but with that unknown I’m not sure I take before our 23rd pick.

McCarthy is such a huge gamble … I would take him at 5 but I would be rubbing the tummy of my little draft buddha.

But yes … if our draft falls somwhere on your list, I would give the prospect a benefit of the doubt and give Kwesi a lot of credit for making something happen … even if I think its too a reach.

This year so far feels like it is working on a different spectrum than the previous two.

But Penix wasn't injured the past two seasons. Conversely, he wasn't pressured much... maybe due to the OL and good WRs. Or maybe he processes things quickly and has a quick release. But....

IOW, I have no idea. Considering each QB, draft position, which QBs are taken, what kind of trade, how many trades, value, etc they are probably 1000s of permutations and almost all of them end up being subjective.

One day this fall it's very likely the rookie will trot onto the field. After 18 snaps we'll speculate on whether he's a boom or bust.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

I think if you can do the swap, the 300 points don’t matter.

You can somewhat throw the chart out when trading that high - and for QBs.

That said, I don’t do the trade unless I have the trade up to 2 or 3 in place.

I’d probably rather have Penix at 11 and a player at 24 than just McCarthy at 5.

Agreed. I would rather pick at 11 & 23 than 5. A deal for #3 has to be in place.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

I think if you can do the swap, the 300 points don’t matter.

You can somewhat throw the chart out when trading that high - and for QBs.

That said, I don’t do the trade unless I have the trade up to 2 or 3 in place.

I’d probably rather have Penix at 11 and a player at 23 than just McCarthy at 5.

If the plan falls through that’s a good contingency.

Pundits will say we way over paid but no way do I wait till 23 and get snaked.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Daniels @2
Maye @3
McCarthy @5
Penix @11

I’ll roll with whatever shakes out. I feel they’d pay for top choice but it takes a seller and a buyer. They’re putting in their best effort so it’ll be hard not to give them kudos.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Daniels @2
Maye @3
McCarthy @5
Penix @11

I’ll roll with whatever shakes out. I feel they’d pay for top choice but it takes a seller and a buyer. They’re putting in their best effort so it’ll be hard not to give them kudos.

If I knew Penix would somehow overcome the injury thing, I might put him before Maye and McCarthy but with that unknown I’m not sure I take before our 23rd pick.

McCarthy is such a huge gamble … I would take him at 5 but I would be rubbing the tummy of my little draft buddha.

But yes … if our draft falls somwhere on your list, I would give the prospect a benefit of the doubt and give Kwesi a lot of credit for making something happen … even if I think its too a reach.

This year so far feels like it is working on a different spectrum than the previous two.

But Penix wasn't injured the past two seasons. Conversely, he wasn't pressured much... maybe due to the OL and good WRs. Or maybe he processes things quickly and has a quick release. But....

IOW, I have no idea. Considering each QB, draft position, which QBs are taken, what kind of trade, how many trades, value, etc they are probably 1000s of permutations and almost all of them end up being subjective.

One day this fall it's very likely the rookie will trot onto the field. After 18 snaps we'll speculate on whether he's a boom or bust.

I didn't know that. That's probably just me being susceptible to draft rumor mongering.

I had heard about an injury history and saw him get dinged up (but play) in the college championship so fell in with the lowing herd.

He has a truly wicked arm.

I don't really know a lot about the QBs, just what I'm hearing now ... I might as well be shuffling a six player deck of football cards.

But yes that won't stop me from hyperventilating this fall about Kwesi's stupidity if the we pick a QB and he starts off slow.

Which is totally unfair and inhumane and par on my course.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Daniels @2
Maye @3
McCarthy @5
Penix @11

I’ll roll with whatever shakes out. I feel they’d pay for top choice but it takes a seller and a buyer. They’re putting in their best effort so it’ll be hard not to give them kudos.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Daniels @2
Maye @3
McCarthy @5
Penix @11

I’ll roll with whatever shakes out. I feel they’d pay for top choice but it takes a seller and a buyer. They’re putting in their best effort so it’ll be hard not to give them kudos.

If I knew Penix would somehow overcome the injury thing, I might put him before Maye and McCarthy but with that unknown I’m not sure I take before our 23rd pick.

McCarthy is such a huge gamble … I would take him at 5 but I would be rubbing the tummy of my little draft buddha.

But yes … if our draft falls somwhere on your list, I would give the prospect a benefit of the doubt and give Kwesi a lot of credit for making something happen … even if I think its too a reach.

This year so far feels like it is working on a different spectrum than the previous two.

But Penix wasn't injured the past two seasons. Conversely, he wasn't pressured much... maybe due to the OL and good WRs. Or maybe he processes things quickly and has a quick release. But....

IOW, I have no idea. Considering each QB, draft position, which QBs are taken, what kind of trade, how many trades, value, etc they are probably 1000s of permutations and almost all of them end up being subjective.

One day this fall it's very likely the rookie will trot onto the field. After 18 snaps we'll speculate on whether he's a boom or bust.

I didn't know that. That's probably just me being susceptible to draft rumor mongering.

I had heard about an injury history and saw him get dinged up (but play) in the college championship so fell in with the lowing herd.

He has a truly wicked arm.

I don't really know a lot about the QBs, just what I'm hearing now ... I might as well be shuffling a six player deck of football cards.

But yes that won't stop me from hyperventilating this fall about Kwesi's stupidity if the we pick a QB and he starts off slow.

Which is totally unfair and inhumane and par on my course.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Another really big factor:

There are 4 QBs and 3 WRs that are expected to go in the Top 8 picks.

AZ at 4 and LAC at 5 are both absolutely dying for a top WR.

That makes both of those teams less likely to trade down to 11 unless we're offering crazy value.

It also makes the Giants pick at 6 significantly more valuable than our 11 - because either team could trade down to 6 and guarantee a Top 3 WR still.

So Penix at 11 might be the most realistic option.

BUT...

I could easily see the Bears trading down from 9 to 12 or 13 to let the Broncos or Raiders poach our guy.

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Another really big factor:

There are 4 QBs and 3 WRs that are expected to go in the Top 8 picks.

AZ at 4 and LAC at 5 are both absolutely dying for a top WR.

That makes both of those teams less likely to trade down to 11 unless we're offering crazy value.

It also makes the Giants pick at 6 significantly more valuable than our 11 - because either team could trade down to 6 and guarantee a Top 3 WR still.

So Penix at 11 might be the most realistic option.

BUT...

I could easily see the Bears trading down from 9 to 12 or 13 to let the Broncos or Raiders poach our guy.

I don't think we can consider standing pat at 11