Tom Sykes
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Its not that I won't back up my talk, its that you can't comprehend it. Or you 're too obtuse to respond.
Number of pro bowls ... the size of his FA contract ... those are secondary considerations for any fan desperate for playoff wins and competing for championships. How does Cousins rate using that formula?
Don't bother answering, there's no way for you to be honest about it. (not that it bothers you)
You can't base it on team success that is dependent on the team not the player. The Vikings are going to have a far better defense going forward. Pro Bowls is the best solution I could come up with. I can be honest. Why not Pro Bowls? It's a fair and non subjective criteria. I hope you would win. I want our draft pick to be the next Brady/Mahomes/Montana/Manning etc. I'm assuming our pick will be McCarthy so I hope he's better than Williams, Daniels, Maye, Nix and Penix.
I don't agree that Pro Bowls are non subjective ... non-deserving players make the team all the time while deserving players are left off. (All Pros is closer to objective but still partly a popularity contest).
Even so, you get a hall pass for admitting that's what you could come up with.
To each their own.
It's a non subjective criteria. In other words making or not making the Pro Bowl is simply a matter of fact. Who is deserving of pro bowls is subjective. Is Cousins a media darling? Is that why he makes the Pro Bowl? He's more of a whipping boy. You tell me a fair objective Criteria we could use for comparison. Of course since it would have to wait until the players in question have completed their careers we both may be dead before we could declare a winner.
A complete non sequitur. The pro bowl is barely more than fancy potato sack race participation ribbon.
Lets say you get selected Dec 23, 2022 because your team is 11-3 but then you go on to almost single-handedly get your team knocked out of its first playoff game ... its not much of a legitimate honor really.
Maybe if we called it the regular season pro bowl. But we don't which is a sham because the pro bowl should include the playoffs and SB when deciding the best players of any given year, don't you think?
Or, lets say you get into the pro bowl as an injury replacement fill-in, as Kirk did in 2016 (for Matt Ryan), 2017 (for Rogers), 2020 (for Rogers), 2022 (for Rogers).
But you go ahead and evaluate the greatness of QBs by their pro bowl appearances, be it starter or injury fill-in.
I'll continue to focus on what they can do for you in the playoffs.
Injury replacement tarnishes the honor a bit. So far every time Kirk got in it was as an injury replacement. I didn't know that. Don't they take 3 from each conference? Or is it 4? Regardless you have to play pretty well to make it. If Rogers wasn't such a wimp and Kirk such an Ironman he wouldn't have made as many.
Is leading your team to 31 points singlehandedly knocking them out of a playoff game? Yeah on a tough play he didn't get a first down. He shouldn't of had to. How many points did our Def give up in that playoff game? Yet it was Kirk who single handedly got us knocked out. How was Kirk's protection on that play? Yet it was Kirk who single handedly got us knocked out. Kirk deserves 99% of the blame for us losing that game right?
If our draft pick becomes part of super bowl championships I will definitely give him some props for his participation. I'll hold my breath waiting for that to happen.
You are correct, every pro bowl selects 3 QBs for each conference so … an injury replacement doesnt even get in as a backup. Lame.
Even more lame is how you switch between ‘team game’ as an excuse for Kirk’s playoff performances / won-loss record when it suits your argument. You can’t blame him for losses but then ‘he single-handedly’ put up 31 points in the Giants game.
It IS a team game but in your hands that’s just a weak sauce excuse to justify the end result of pro bowler Cousins’ performances. Some of us evaluate his performences on their own, good and bad, and also with in the context of his wins and losses.
He hasn’t gotten it done.
This is a place that exists outside your ability to think clearly. You can’t get there, what’s worse, you prefer not to.
You completely misread me. I in no way said Kirk single handedly put up 31 points. I said he led us to 31 points. QBs do lead the team. I sarcastically said that us only scoring 31 points was all his fault causing us to lose the game. 31 points is an amount that should win the game. We didn't have a defense good enough to hold our opponent to less. Did any other playoff team score 31 and lose? I'm not sure, but my best guess is no.
Being the 4th QB option out of a conference of 16 teams is very good. The opposite of lame. Were you just being sarcastic or do you really believe 4th out of 16 is lame?
I agree that Kirk did not get the job done in the end. I also doubt that our QB draft pick this year will get the job done in the end. I hope I'm wrong.
Umm ... okay. Good answer. I don't agree with it but you showed me up by not reacting to my insulting over-reaction.
QBs do lead the team. In different ways, on different levels. And, hopefully, in the key moments that define your season. I will leave it at that.
I'm done arguing about Cousins. You love him or you hate him ... he's gone to me unless we play him in the playoffs.
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McCarthy is probably worth 11 though. Remember how young he is and the likelihood that he will improve.
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