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ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

If we move up to 5 for JJ,
I will get a very Queazy feeling in my stomach (again).


Daniels/Maye or stay at 11 Kwesi.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

There was a joke apparently called Bubble Screen Bo....more information:

27.6% of Nix’s passing attempts were thrown behind the line of scrimmage with a completion rate of 95.5%. 39.4% of his passing attempts were between 0-9 yards downfield with a completion rate of 82.8%.

7.0 ADOT is pretty low and the only notable QB with a lower figure is Cade Klubnik at 6.9. UAB’s Jacob Zeno had CFB’s lowest ADOT at 5.5 yards. Highest in the P5 was Jalen Milroe at 13.9.

Other QB’s ADOT for reference:

Michael Penix: 11.3
Jayden Daniels: 10.5
Caleb Williams: 9.2
Quinn Ewers: 8.4
Carson Beck: 8.5
Shedeur Sanders: 8.5
JJ McCarthy: 10.3
Drake Maye: 11.0

Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws.

Thank you Phil. Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection.

"Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws."

Which is part of the result of throwing it short all the time and pulling the defense in. You'd have to include defensive coverages that the QBs were throwing into for a meaningful ADOT.

And a bunch of other variables.

"Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection."

So you agree with the arguments for McCarthy? Interesting.

That's where my questions are.

Can he read a defense and execute a normal offense that isn't based primarily on screens and RPOs? Can he go through his progressions?

There is no doubt he was a master of the offense he ran. But it wasn't anything like an NFL offense.

Based on raw stats, you could argue he should be the #1 overall pick, yet he's the 6th QB for the majority of experts.

He was atrocious at Auburn. The questions are good ones imo.

He was so atrocious at Auburn that he was the SEC freshman of the year. Man that's atrocious. How good or atrocious he was at Auburn is meaningless. Ancient history.

He didn't live up to the hype. Not even close. Who cares about a meaningless award. He may be good but he's definitely a guy with questions. Lots of Oregon guys come in and do squat.

Are any of the Oregon players who did squat named Bo Nix? If not how anybody else from Oregon did is irrelevant. Nix will do what he does. Not what Herbert or Mitchell did.

They've always had an offense that gets good plays out of swing passes and they seem to have a good running game most of the time. The questions are relevant about him. Now that you're declaring him the next great one I'd definitely think twice about drafting him.

I'm not declaring him great. Not at all. I'm declaring him every bit as good a prospect as Maye and McCarthy. All three will probably never come close to being as good as Kirk.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

There was a joke apparently called Bubble Screen Bo....more information:

27.6% of Nix’s passing attempts were thrown behind the line of scrimmage with a completion rate of 95.5%. 39.4% of his passing attempts were between 0-9 yards downfield with a completion rate of 82.8%.

7.0 ADOT is pretty low and the only notable QB with a lower figure is Cade Klubnik at 6.9. UAB’s Jacob Zeno had CFB’s lowest ADOT at 5.5 yards. Highest in the P5 was Jalen Milroe at 13.9.

Other QB’s ADOT for reference:

Michael Penix: 11.3
Jayden Daniels: 10.5
Caleb Williams: 9.2
Quinn Ewers: 8.4
Carson Beck: 8.5
Shedeur Sanders: 8.5
JJ McCarthy: 10.3
Drake Maye: 11.0

Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws.

Thank you Phil. Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection.

"Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws."

Which is part of the result of throwing it short all the time and pulling the defense in. You'd have to include defensive coverages that the QBs were throwing into for a meaningful ADOT.

And a bunch of other variables.

"Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection."

So you agree with the arguments for McCarthy? Interesting.

That's where my questions are.

Can he read a defense and execute a normal offense that isn't based primarily on screens and RPOs? Can he go through his progressions?

There is no doubt he was a master of the offense he ran. But it wasn't anything like an NFL offense.

Based on raw stats, you could argue he should be the #1 overall pick, yet he's the 6th QB for the majority of experts.

He was atrocious at Auburn. The questions are good ones imo.

He was so atrocious at Auburn that he was the SEC freshman of the year. Man that's atrocious. How good or atrocious he was at Auburn is meaningless. Ancient history.

He didn't live up to the hype. Not even close. Who cares about a meaningless award. He may be good but he's definitely a guy with questions. Lots of Oregon guys come in and do squat.

Are any of the Oregon players who did squat named Bo Nix? If not how anybody else from Oregon did is irrelevant. Nix will do what he does. Not what Herbert or Mitchell did.

They've always had an offense that gets good plays out of swing passes and they seem to have a good running game most of the time. The questions are relevant about him. Now that you're declaring him the next great one I'd definitely think twice about drafting him.

I'm not declaring him great. Not at all. I'm declaring him every bit as good a prospect as Maye and McCarthy. All three will probably never come close to being as good as Kirk.

as good as kirk. really.

its one thing to cheer and support cousins because he’s your team’s qb. I get those people. Its a whole new ball of earwax to use him as a golden standard for draft prospects.

clueless. if you want to draft a college qb like cousins, start looking in the business administration department, not the football field.

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ORIGINAL: marty

Kirk has a great arm, he should have been a pitcher.

Now with the other things regarding QB, not so good, Atlanta will find out soon enough.

But I do believe Kirk could be at the pinnacle of his career, helped by the confidence KOC gave him. I expect an outstanding regular season for Kirk, but his shortcomings become evident in playoff games.

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ORIGINAL: marty

Kirk has a great arm, he should have been a pitcher.

Now with the other things regarding QB, not so good, Atlanta will find out soon enough.

But I do believe Kirk could be at the pinnacle of his career, helped by the confidence KOC gave him. I expect an outstanding regular season for Kirk, but his shortcomings become evident in playoff games.

He would've walked every batter in a pressure situation...

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

There was a joke apparently called Bubble Screen Bo....more information:

27.6% of Nix’s passing attempts were thrown behind the line of scrimmage with a completion rate of 95.5%. 39.4% of his passing attempts were between 0-9 yards downfield with a completion rate of 82.8%.

7.0 ADOT is pretty low and the only notable QB with a lower figure is Cade Klubnik at 6.9. UAB’s Jacob Zeno had CFB’s lowest ADOT at 5.5 yards. Highest in the P5 was Jalen Milroe at 13.9.

Other QB’s ADOT for reference:

Michael Penix: 11.3
Jayden Daniels: 10.5
Caleb Williams: 9.2
Quinn Ewers: 8.4
Carson Beck: 8.5
Shedeur Sanders: 8.5
JJ McCarthy: 10.3
Drake Maye: 11.0

Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws.

Thank you Phil. Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection.

"Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws."

Which is part of the result of throwing it short all the time and pulling the defense in. You'd have to include defensive coverages that the QBs were throwing into for a meaningful ADOT.

And a bunch of other variables.

"Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection."

So you agree with the arguments for McCarthy? Interesting.

That's where my questions are.

Can he read a defense and execute a normal offense that isn't based primarily on screens and RPOs? Can he go through his progressions?

There is no doubt he was a master of the offense he ran. But it wasn't anything like an NFL offense.

Based on raw stats, you could argue he should be the #1 overall pick, yet he's the 6th QB for the majority of experts.

He was atrocious at Auburn. The questions are good ones imo.

He was so atrocious at Auburn that he was the SEC freshman of the year. Man that's atrocious. How good or atrocious he was at Auburn is meaningless. Ancient history.

He didn't live up to the hype. Not even close. Who cares about a meaningless award. He may be good but he's definitely a guy with questions. Lots of Oregon guys come in and do squat.

Are any of the Oregon players who did squat named Bo Nix? If not how anybody else from Oregon did is irrelevant. Nix will do what he does. Not what Herbert or Mitchell did.

They've always had an offense that gets good plays out of swing passes and they seem to have a good running game most of the time. The questions are relevant about him. Now that you're declaring him the next great one I'd definitely think twice about drafting him.

I'm not declaring him great. Not at all. I'm declaring him every bit as good a prospect as Maye and McCarthy. All three will probably never come close to being as good as Kirk.

as good as kirk. really.

its one thing to cheer and support cousins because he’s your team’s qb. I get those people. Its a whole new ball of earwax to use him as a golden standard for draft prospects.

clueless. if you want to draft a college qb like cousins, start looking in the business administration department, not the football field.

If the QB we draft is just as good as Cousins this year that is a MASSIVE win. Cousins is good enough that Atlanta just signed him to a 4 year $45 million a year contract. Guaranteed Money is 2 years $100 Million. You think they do that if he's not good. Our Rookie QB we just drafted will cost us what? $10 million a year or less for the first 4 years? Huge, huge win for us. We all might want him to be even better than Kirk, but that has a 5% chance at best of happening. And you DARE to call me clueless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You want to make a bet with me Tom. I will bet on Kirk being better this year than whoever the Vikings pick. I will make another bet with you that Kirk is better next year than whoever it is we draft.

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If we end up with Nix Six Kwesi will have failed.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

There was a joke apparently called Bubble Screen Bo....more information:

27.6% of Nix’s passing attempts were thrown behind the line of scrimmage with a completion rate of 95.5%. 39.4% of his passing attempts were between 0-9 yards downfield with a completion rate of 82.8%.

7.0 ADOT is pretty low and the only notable QB with a lower figure is Cade Klubnik at 6.9. UAB’s Jacob Zeno had CFB’s lowest ADOT at 5.5 yards. Highest in the P5 was Jalen Milroe at 13.9.

Other QB’s ADOT for reference:

Michael Penix: 11.3
Jayden Daniels: 10.5
Caleb Williams: 9.2
Quinn Ewers: 8.4
Carson Beck: 8.5
Shedeur Sanders: 8.5
JJ McCarthy: 10.3
Drake Maye: 11.0

Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws.

Thank you Phil. Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection.

"Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws."

Which is part of the result of throwing it short all the time and pulling the defense in. You'd have to include defensive coverages that the QBs were throwing into for a meaningful ADOT.

And a bunch of other variables.

"Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection."

So you agree with the arguments for McCarthy? Interesting.

That's where my questions are.

Can he read a defense and execute a normal offense that isn't based primarily on screens and RPOs? Can he go through his progressions?

There is no doubt he was a master of the offense he ran. But it wasn't anything like an NFL offense.

Based on raw stats, you could argue he should be the #1 overall pick, yet he's the 6th QB for the majority of experts.

He was atrocious at Auburn. The questions are good ones imo.

He was so atrocious at Auburn that he was the SEC freshman of the year. Man that's atrocious. How good or atrocious he was at Auburn is meaningless. Ancient history.

He didn't live up to the hype. Not even close. Who cares about a meaningless award. He may be good but he's definitely a guy with questions. Lots of Oregon guys come in and do squat.

Are any of the Oregon players who did squat named Bo Nix? If not how anybody else from Oregon did is irrelevant. Nix will do what he does. Not what Herbert or Mitchell did.

They've always had an offense that gets good plays out of swing passes and they seem to have a good running game most of the time. The questions are relevant about him. Now that you're declaring him the next great one I'd definitely think twice about drafting him.

I'm not declaring him great. Not at all. I'm declaring him every bit as good a prospect as Maye and McCarthy. All three will probably never come close to being as good as Kirk.

as good as kirk. really.

its one thing to cheer and support cousins because he’s your team’s qb. I get those people. Its a whole new ball of earwax to use him as a golden standard for draft prospects.

clueless. if you want to draft a college qb like cousins, start looking in the business administration department, not the football field.

If the QB we draft is just as good as Cousins this year that is a MASSIVE win. Cousins is good enough that Atlanta just signed him to a 4 year $45 million a year contract. Guaranteed Money is 2 years $100 Million. You think they do that if he's not good. Our Rookie QB we just drafted will cost us what? $10 million a year or less for the first 4 years? Huge, huge win for us. We all might want him to be even better than Kirk, but that has a 5% chance at best of happening. And you DARE to call me clueless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You want to make a bet with me Tom. I will bet on Kirk being better this year than whoever the Vikings pick. I will make another bet with you that Kirk is better next year than whoever it is we draft.

My standard for QB does not include how much ATL wants to overpay Cousins. I couldn’t be happier that they did.

And … I never said a QB prospect would play as well his rookie year as Kirk in his 346th year of abysmall playoff performance.

IF we draft a QB this year, I’ll be happy to bet you that player’s playoff / big game record against Kirks after what, 15 years? no brainer.

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ORIGINAL: marty

Mel Kiper's latest Mock has Bo Nix going 12th overall to the Broncos:

https://share.newsbreak.com/6g417srs

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Cousins has desirable arm talent. It’s made him a fortune. He’s an albatross running but that’s not what he’s missing. He doesn’t have IT. Instead of leaving that up to subjective opinion I’ll define it as - an intense desire not to lose. You Like That and pushy pushy with Zimmer were intense reactions but not the fuel. At the end of the day he can never really lose bc he has Jesus fully in his heart. I don’t intend it as a dismissive insult just as what I see. Nothing on earth is as important to him as god and the church. He’s not just avg pro god. He doesn’t rise above bc he’s lacking the desire for it. Pro football is a vessel to forward religious endeavours.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

There was a joke apparently called Bubble Screen Bo....more information:

27.6% of Nix’s passing attempts were thrown behind the line of scrimmage with a completion rate of 95.5%. 39.4% of his passing attempts were between 0-9 yards downfield with a completion rate of 82.8%.

7.0 ADOT is pretty low and the only notable QB with a lower figure is Cade Klubnik at 6.9. UAB’s Jacob Zeno had CFB’s lowest ADOT at 5.5 yards. Highest in the P5 was Jalen Milroe at 13.9.

Other QB’s ADOT for reference:

Michael Penix: 11.3
Jayden Daniels: 10.5
Caleb Williams: 9.2
Quinn Ewers: 8.4
Carson Beck: 8.5
Shedeur Sanders: 8.5
JJ McCarthy: 10.3
Drake Maye: 11.0

Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws.

Thank you Phil. Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection.

"Bo Nix still did incredibly well when throwing the ball greater than 10 yards. He had 26 TDs and 2 interceptions on those throws."

Which is part of the result of throwing it short all the time and pulling the defense in. You'd have to include defensive coverages that the QBs were throwing into for a meaningful ADOT.

And a bunch of other variables.

"Just because he didn't throw deep very often doesn't mean he can't. He ran the offense presented by his coach to perfection."

So you agree with the arguments for McCarthy? Interesting.

That's where my questions are.

Can he read a defense and execute a normal offense that isn't based primarily on screens and RPOs? Can he go through his progressions?

There is no doubt he was a master of the offense he ran. But it wasn't anything like an NFL offense.

Based on raw stats, you could argue he should be the #1 overall pick, yet he's the 6th QB for the majority of experts.

He was atrocious at Auburn. The questions are good ones imo.

He was so atrocious at Auburn that he was the SEC freshman of the year. Man that's atrocious. How good or atrocious he was at Auburn is meaningless. Ancient history.

He didn't live up to the hype. Not even close. Who cares about a meaningless award. He may be good but he's definitely a guy with questions. Lots of Oregon guys come in and do squat.

Are any of the Oregon players who did squat named Bo Nix? If not how anybody else from Oregon did is irrelevant. Nix will do what he does. Not what Herbert or Mitchell did.

They've always had an offense that gets good plays out of swing passes and they seem to have a good running game most of the time. The questions are relevant about him. Now that you're declaring him the next great one I'd definitely think twice about drafting him.

I'm not declaring him great. Not at all. I'm declaring him every bit as good a prospect as Maye and McCarthy. All three will probably never come close to being as good as Kirk.

as good as kirk. really.

its one thing to cheer and support cousins because he’s your team’s qb. I get those people. Its a whole new ball of earwax to use him as a golden standard for draft prospects.

clueless. if you want to draft a college qb like cousins, start looking in the business administration department, not the football field.

If the QB we draft is just as good as Cousins this year that is a MASSIVE win. Cousins is good enough that Atlanta just signed him to a 4 year $45 million a year contract. Guaranteed Money is 2 years $100 Million. You think they do that if he's not good. Our Rookie QB we just drafted will cost us what? $10 million a year or less for the first 4 years? Huge, huge win for us. We all might want him to be even better than Kirk, but that has a 5% chance at best of happening. And you DARE to call me clueless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You want to make a bet with me Tom. I will bet on Kirk being better this year than whoever the Vikings pick. I will make another bet with you that Kirk is better next year than whoever it is we draft.

My standard for QB does not include how much ATL wants to overpay Cousins. I couldn’t be happier that they did.

And … I never said a QB prospect would play as well his rookie year as Kirk in his 346th year of abysmall playoff performance.

IF we draft a QB this year, I’ll be happy to bet you that player’s playoff / big game record against Kirks after what, 15 years? no brainer.

So you won't back up your talk. Kirk is very good. If whoever we pick turns out as good as Kirk we will be lucky. Number of pro bowls should be the career comparison. Right now Kirk has 4. He will probably get one or two more. If the draft pick finishes with more pro bowls I'll say the draft pick was better. I really hope the draft pick turns out better and we win more super bowls with him than the Patriots did with Brady.

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ORIGINAL: marty

Todd, I was getting excited about Jayden Daniels being our pick.

Tell me he is the best prospect, and if so why do you think that ?