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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Because a lot can happen, and who knows how many new credit cards Kwesi has accumulated, I'll simply provide the current givens:

$77M in cap space.

2025 cap items:
- $15M void
- $6M dead
- $6M in-season reserve (as a normal course of events)
+ $10M 2024 roll-over cap

Equals $60M in cap.

Around 25 UFAs.

Same song and dance you did before Ginkel Cashman Jones Darnold Gillmore Ward Tillery signed last year.

Cap space isn’t what it looks like. Multiple years not just that cap year. With Signing Bonus and 3-5 year contracts it is more money than it looks like.

Let's continue the same song and dance which was based on franchising Darnold:

Using Rat's numbers we enter the league year with $79M.
Assume the Franchise Tag for QBs is $42 million.

$79 - $42 = $37 million for adding 25 players. Have fun with that!

We can backload the FAs but probably not much in 2026-27 as the big $ kick in: Jefferson 39/43, Hock 21/23, Darrisaw 23/25, O'Neill 23, Greenard 22/22.

And at some point it would be nice to make a splash signing or two for a top CB, OG, DL, etc. instead of penciling in "Gillmore Ward Tillery". You know, to add real talent.

You mean the real talent of Van Ginkel, Cashman, Jones, and Greenard?

And they are far from the minimum wage types. And those defenders are already on the 2025 roster.

But you rest on those laurels. I want to see a new secondary with talent, a new IOL, some real DL (although it remains to be seen what may shake out with some of the newbies).

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Because a lot can happen, and who knows how many new credit cards Kwesi has accumulated, I'll simply provide the current givens:

$77M in cap space.

2025 cap items:
- $15M void
- $6M dead
- $6M in-season reserve (as a normal course of events)
+ $10M 2024 roll-over cap

Equals $60M in cap.

Around 25 UFAs.

Same song and dance you did before Ginkel Cashman Jones Darnold Gillmore Ward Tillery signed last year.

Cap space isn’t what it looks like. Multiple years not just that cap year. With Signing Bonus and 3-5 year contracts it is more money than it looks like.

Let's continue the same song and dance which was based on franchising Darnold:

Using Rat's numbers we enter the league year with $79M.
Assume the Franchise Tag for QBs is $42 million.

$79 - $42 = $37 million for adding 25 players. Have fun with that!

We can backload the FAs but probably not much in 2026-27 as the big $ kick in: Jefferson 39/43, Hock 21/23, Darrisaw 23/25, O'Neill 23, Greenard 22/22.

And at some point it would be nice to make a splash signing or two for a top CB, OG, DL, etc. instead of penciling in "Gillmore Ward Tillery". You know, to add real talent.

You mean the real talent of Van Ginkel, Cashman, Jones, and Greenard?

And they are far from the minimum wage types. And those defenders are already on the 2025 roster.

But you rest on those laurels. I want to see a new secondary with talent, a new IOL, some real DL (although it remains to be seen what may shake out with some of the newbies).

One thing I think we can all agree on is we need to start hitting some home runs in the draft to take that final step.

We have a 1st and 3rd(compensatory)in 2025 draft that needs to produce two solid players. Maybe turn those two picks into two 2s and a 3 to give ourselves a better chance at finding impact players.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Oh Phil, before you lecture on cap basics you might want to brush up on the rules about cap hits for franchised players.

Hint: Kwesi's credit cards will be denied. Think more along the lines of Straight Cash Homey!

I just look back on last year when you said no signings were possible and our cap available is about double although the Darrisaw and JJ contracts helped....

That is the reality....you don't look at one year but 2-3 years cap.

Yeah you brought up that strawman after free agency but in your eagerness to prove something you conveniently neglected to add the many times I said ~ depending on how Kwesi handles the contracts. Just like I've said at least three times in this series of posts:

- Just spitballing as a lot of things can transpire...

- There is no telling how much Kwesi will backload, void, etc...

- We can backload the FAs...

- Because a lot can happen, and who knows how many new credit cards Kwesi has accumulated, I'll simply provide the current givens.
That of course will not stop you from falsely reframing what I said.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Oh Phil, before you lecture on cap basics you might want to brush up on the rules about cap hits for franchised players.

Hint: Kwesi's credit cards will be denied. Think more along the lines of Straight Cash Homey!

I just look back on last year when you said no signings were possible and our cap available is about double although the Darrisaw and JJ contracts helped....

That is the reality....you don't look at one year but 2-3 years cap.

Yeah you brought up that strawman after free agency but in your eagerness to prove something you conveniently neglected to add the many times I said ~ depending on how Kwesi handles the contracts. Just like I've said at least three times in this series of posts:

- Just spitballing as a lot of things can transpire...

- There is no telling how much Kwesi will backload, void, etc...

- We can backload the FAs...

- Because a lot can happen, and who knows how many new credit cards Kwesi has accumulated, I'll simply provide the current givens.
That of course will not stop you from falsely reframing what I said.

Strawman? You have been on the wrong side of the cap almost every year. You mentioned Gillmore, Ward, and Hill for a reason.....you know it.
1) When they figure salary cap space they figure the contracts for the highest 51 paid....so when they sign the max 90, 39 of them do not go on Kwesi's credit card.
2) Also salary cap is figured with those remaining contracts at the league minimum....so if it is a 7 million dollar contract it is that minus the league minimum contract that was replaced or the 51st highest at that point.
3) Yeah there was void years, etc. but there is more cap space in 2025 then 2024 and they filled over 13 positions last year with about half the cap space.
4) There was the wave of signings after they let Kirk and Hunter sign elsewhere....which was right have Bill's every other post about Kwesi Credit Cards....then they signed Grenard, Van Ginkel, and Cashman. Then Extended Darrisaw, JJ, and Brandel. Then not too much from Bill.
5) Then the 2nd wave a week or two later of Jones, Gillmore, Griffin, Tillery, and Ward. Then not too much from Bill for a while again.
Those devil in the details you always seemed to struggle with. No spitballing needed.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Because a lot can happen, and who knows how many new credit cards Kwesi has accumulated, I'll simply provide the current givens:

$77M in cap space.

2025 cap items:
- $15M void
- $6M dead
- $6M in-season reserve (as a normal course of events)
+ $10M 2024 roll-over cap

Equals $60M in cap.

Around 25 UFAs.

Same song and dance you did before Ginkel Cashman Jones Darnold Gillmore Ward Tillery signed last year.

Cap space isn’t what it looks like. Multiple years not just that cap year. With Signing Bonus and 3-5 year contracts it is more money than it looks like.

Let's continue the same song and dance which was based on franchising Darnold:

Using Rat's numbers we enter the league year with $79M.
Assume the Franchise Tag for QBs is $42 million.

$79 - $42 = $37 million for adding 25 players. Have fun with that!

We can backload the FAs but probably not much in 2026-27 as the big $ kick in: Jefferson 39/43, Hock 21/23, Darrisaw 23/25, O'Neill 23, Greenard 22/22.

And at some point it would be nice to make a splash signing or two for a top CB, OG, DL, etc. instead of penciling in "Gillmore Ward Tillery". You know, to add real talent.

You mean the real talent of Van Ginkel, Cashman, Jones, and Greenard?

And they are far from the minimum wage types. And those defenders are already on the 2025 roster.

But you rest on those laurels. I want to see a new secondary with talent, a new IOL, some real DL (although it remains to be seen what may shake out with some of the newbies).

One thing I think we can all agree on is we need to start hitting some home runs in the draft to take that final step.

We have a 1st and 3rd(compensatory)in 2025 draft that needs to produce two solid players. Maybe turn those two picks into two 2s and a 3 to give ourselves a better chance at finding impact players.

Yep. To wit, here are a few tidbits:

In terms of performance, so far the 2024 draft and a big chunk of the 2025 draft has netted... a kicker.

Outside of Turner and his 7 career solo tackles, no other draftee has seen a single offensive or defensive snap.

As a recap the 2024 draft ended up costing:

#11 overall
4th
5th
(6th back)


2nd
2nd
3rd
4th
5th

4th
6th
6th
7th
7th

In draft sequence: #11 overall, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 4th, 5th, 5th, 6th (net), 7th, 7th.

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ORIGINAL: paulgly

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Because a lot can happen, and who knows how many new credit cards Kwesi has accumulated, I'll simply provide the current givens:

$77M in cap space.

2025 cap items:
- $15M void
- $6M dead
- $6M in-season reserve (as a normal course of events)
+ $10M 2024 roll-over cap

Equals $60M in cap.

Around 25 UFAs.

Same song and dance you did before Ginkel Cashman Jones Darnold Gillmore Ward Tillery signed last year.

Cap space isn’t what it looks like. Multiple years not just that cap year. With Signing Bonus and 3-5 year contracts it is more money than it looks like.

Let's continue the same song and dance which was based on franchising Darnold:

Using Rat's numbers we enter the league year with $79M.
Assume the Franchise Tag for QBs is $42 million.

$79 - $42 = $37 million for adding 25 players. Have fun with that!

We can backload the FAs but probably not much in 2026-27 as the big $ kick in: Jefferson 39/43, Hock 21/23, Darrisaw 23/25, O'Neill 23, Greenard 22/22.

And at some point it would be nice to make a splash signing or two for a top CB, OG, DL, etc. instead of penciling in "Gillmore Ward Tillery". You know, to add real talent.

You mean the real talent of Van Ginkel, Cashman, Jones, and Greenard?

And they are far from the minimum wage types. And those defenders are already on the 2025 roster.

But you rest on those laurels. I want to see a new secondary with talent, a new IOL, some real DL (although it remains to be seen what may shake out with some of the newbies).

One thing I think we can all agree on is we need to start hitting some home runs in the draft to take that final step.

We have a 1st and 3rd(compensatory)in 2025 draft that needs to produce two solid players. Maybe turn those two picks into two 2s and a 3 to give ourselves a better chance at finding impact players.

Yep. To wit, here are a few tidbits:

In terms of performance, so far the 2024 draft and a big chunk of the 2025 draft has netted... a kicker.

Outside of Turner and his 7 career solo tackles, no other draftee has seen a single offensive or defensive snap.

As a recap the 2024 draft ended up costing:

#11 overall
4th
5th
(6th back)


2nd
2nd
3rd
4th
5th

4th
6th
6th
7th
7th

In draft sequence: #11 overall, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 4th, 5th, 5th, 6th (net), 7th, 7th.

Kwesi's draft misses in the secondary are especially problematic. I'm enjoying every second of this year. But not kidding myself going forward into thinking they have to do anything other than a complete secondary overhaul (assuming Byron Murphy gets the type of contract he probably will elsewhere).

Cine, Booth, Evans, Blackmon, Ward, Jackson (RIP). 6 picks in the top 4 rounds in 3 years and not 1 contributor let alone starter (I suppose Blackmon) may have a chance.

He crushed free agency this year - no denying that. But his drafts have been so bad.

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ORIGINAL: paulgly

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Because a lot can happen, and who knows how many new credit cards Kwesi has accumulated, I'll simply provide the current givens:

$77M in cap space.

2025 cap items:
- $15M void
- $6M dead
- $6M in-season reserve (as a normal course of events)
+ $10M 2024 roll-over cap

Equals $60M in cap.

Around 25 UFAs.

Same song and dance you did before Ginkel Cashman Jones Darnold Gillmore Ward Tillery signed last year.

Cap space isn’t what it looks like. Multiple years not just that cap year. With Signing Bonus and 3-5 year contracts it is more money than it looks like.

Let's continue the same song and dance which was based on franchising Darnold:

Using Rat's numbers we enter the league year with $79M.
Assume the Franchise Tag for QBs is $42 million.

$79 - $42 = $37 million for adding 25 players. Have fun with that!

We can backload the FAs but probably not much in 2026-27 as the big $ kick in: Jefferson 39/43, Hock 21/23, Darrisaw 23/25, O'Neill 23, Greenard 22/22.

And at some point it would be nice to make a splash signing or two for a top CB, OG, DL, etc. instead of penciling in "Gillmore Ward Tillery". You know, to add real talent.

You mean the real talent of Van Ginkel, Cashman, Jones, and Greenard?

And they are far from the minimum wage types. And those defenders are already on the 2025 roster.

But you rest on those laurels. I want to see a new secondary with talent, a new IOL, some real DL (although it remains to be seen what may shake out with some of the newbies).

One thing I think we can all agree on is we need to start hitting some home runs in the draft to take that final step.

We have a 1st and 3rd(compensatory)in 2025 draft that needs to produce two solid players. Maybe turn those two picks into two 2s and a 3 to give ourselves a better chance at finding impact players.

Yep. To wit, here are a few tidbits:

In terms of performance, so far the 2024 draft and a big chunk of the 2025 draft has netted... a kicker.

Outside of Turner and his 7 career solo tackles, no other draftee has seen a single offensive or defensive snap.

As a recap the 2024 draft ended up costing:

#11 overall
4th
5th
(6th back)


2nd
2nd
3rd
4th
5th

4th
6th
6th
7th
7th

In draft sequence: #11 overall, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 4th, 5th, 5th, 6th (net), 7th, 7th.

Kwesi's draft misses in the secondary are especially problematic. I'm enjoying every second of this year. But not kidding myself going forward into thinking they have to do anything other than a complete secondary overhaul (assuming Byron Murphy gets the type of contract he probably will elsewhere).

Cine, Booth, Evans, Blackmon, Ward, Jackson (RIP). 6 picks in the top 4 rounds in 3 years and not 1 contributor let alone starter (I suppose Blackmon) may have a chance.

He crushed free agency this year - no denying that. But his drafts have been so bad.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: paulgly

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Because a lot can happen, and who knows how many new credit cards Kwesi has accumulated, I'll simply provide the current givens:

$77M in cap space.

2025 cap items:
- $15M void
- $6M dead
- $6M in-season reserve (as a normal course of events)
+ $10M 2024 roll-over cap

Equals $60M in cap.

Around 25 UFAs.

Same song and dance you did before Ginkel Cashman Jones Darnold Gillmore Ward Tillery signed last year.

Cap space isn’t what it looks like. Multiple years not just that cap year. With Signing Bonus and 3-5 year contracts it is more money than it looks like.

Let's continue the same song and dance which was based on franchising Darnold:

Using Rat's numbers we enter the league year with $79M.
Assume the Franchise Tag for QBs is $42 million.

$79 - $42 = $37 million for adding 25 players. Have fun with that!

We can backload the FAs but probably not much in 2026-27 as the big $ kick in: Jefferson 39/43, Hock 21/23, Darrisaw 23/25, O'Neill 23, Greenard 22/22.

And at some point it would be nice to make a splash signing or two for a top CB, OG, DL, etc. instead of penciling in "Gillmore Ward Tillery". You know, to add real talent.

You mean the real talent of Van Ginkel, Cashman, Jones, and Greenard?

And they are far from the minimum wage types. And those defenders are already on the 2025 roster.

But you rest on those laurels. I want to see a new secondary with talent, a new IOL, some real DL (although it remains to be seen what may shake out with some of the newbies).

One thing I think we can all agree on is we need to start hitting some home runs in the draft to take that final step.

We have a 1st and 3rd(compensatory)in 2025 draft that needs to produce two solid players. Maybe turn those two picks into two 2s and a 3 to give ourselves a better chance at finding impact players.

Yep. To wit, here are a few tidbits:

In terms of performance, so far the 2024 draft and a big chunk of the 2025 draft has netted... a kicker.

Outside of Turner and his 7 career solo tackles, no other draftee has seen a single offensive or defensive snap.

As a recap the 2024 draft ended up costing:

#11 overall
4th
5th
(6th back)


2nd
2nd
3rd
4th
5th

4th
6th
6th
7th
7th

In draft sequence: #11 overall, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 4th, 5th, 5th, 6th (net), 7th, 7th.

Kwesi's draft misses in the secondary are especially problematic. I'm enjoying every second of this year. But not kidding myself going forward into thinking they have to do anything other than a complete secondary overhaul (assuming Byron Murphy gets the type of contract he probably will elsewhere).

Cine, Booth, Evans, Blackmon, Ward, Jackson (RIP). 6 picks in the top 4 rounds in 3 years and not 1 contributor let alone starter (I suppose Blackmon) may have a chance.

He crushed free agency this year - no denying that. But his drafts have been so bad.

This is a good point. At some point we need Young secondary talent. There won't be a lot of options this offseason either. The free agency has been awesome this year but it's tough to build an entire roster that way.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

My favorite part of Phil's strawman:

Yeah there was void years, etc.

Ya think?? That is my entire premise! And I love "etc". Etc as in yeah backload a bunch, yeah go to the personal bank of Brian O'Neill to get some cap in 2024, yeah add placeholder void years.

Those things allowed the team to be able to afford the Tilleries of the world, however cheap they were. And to pay for our QB. Oh wait, they only 'paid' for 50% of his cheap contract, the rest is stashed in, yeah, a void year.


I'm most interested in void year and backloaded money for 2026/2027 because IMO that's the soonest JJM can make an impact, hence help the team to go on a real SB run. That's assuming he's any good.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

My favorite part of Phil's strawman:

Yeah there was void years, etc.

Ya think?? That is my entire premise! And I love "etc". Etc as in yeah backload a bunch, yeah go to the personal bank of Brian O'Neill to get some cap in 2024, yeah add placeholder void years.

Those things allowed the team to be able to afford the Tilleries of the world, however cheap they were. And to pay for our QB. Oh wait, they only 'paid' for 50% of his cheap contract, the rest is stashed in, yeah, a void year.


I'm most interested in void year and backloaded money for 2026/2027 because IMO that's the soonest JJM can make an impact, hence help the team to go on a real SB run. That's assuming he's any good.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

My favorite part of Phil's strawman:

Yeah there was void years, etc.

Ya think?? That is my entire premise! And I love "etc". Etc as in yeah backload a bunch, yeah go to the personal bank of Brian O'Neill to get some cap in 2024, yeah add placeholder void years.

Those things allowed the team to be able to afford the Tilleries of the world, however cheap they were. And to pay for our QB. Oh wait, they only 'paid' for 50% of his cheap contract, the rest is stashed in, yeah, a void year.


I'm most interested in void year and backloaded money for 2026/2027 because IMO that's the soonest JJM can make an impact, hence help the team to go on a real SB run. That's assuming he's any good.

We are 11-2 with a lot of talented guys. I don't think that we are planning our 2025 off season on how good JJM will be in 26-27.

There will be high expectations next year(SB). If that is with Darnold or JJM, who knows. We will backload and void year some big FAs and go for it imo.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

My favorite part of Phil's strawman:

Yeah there was void years, etc.

Ya think?? That is my entire premise! And I love "etc". Etc as in yeah backload a bunch, yeah go to the personal bank of Brian O'Neill to get some cap in 2024, yeah add placeholder void years.

Those things allowed the team to be able to afford the Tilleries of the world, however cheap they were. And to pay for our QB. Oh wait, they only 'paid' for 50% of his cheap contract, the rest is stashed in, yeah, a void year.


I'm most interested in void year and backloaded money for 2026/2027 because IMO that's the soonest JJM can make an impact, hence help the team to go on a real SB run. That's assuming he's any good.

Bill doesn’t want to discuss Van Ginkel Cashman or Grenard because the first day guys proved his philosophy wrong. So he says I was big on the middle tier guys.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

My favorite part of Phil's strawman:

Yeah there was void years, etc.

Ya think?? That is my entire premise! And I love "etc". Etc as in yeah backload a bunch, yeah go to the personal bank of Brian O'Neill to get some cap in 2024, yeah add placeholder void years.

Those things allowed the team to be able to afford the Tilleries of the world, however cheap they were. And to pay for our QB. Oh wait, they only 'paid' for 50% of his cheap contract, the rest is stashed in, yeah, a void year.


I'm most interested in void year and backloaded money for 2026/2027 because IMO that's the soonest JJM can make an impact, hence help the team to go on a real SB run. That's assuming he's any good.

We are 11-2 with a lot of talented guys. I don't think that we are planning our 2025 off season on how good JJM will be in 26-27.

There will be high expectations next year(SB). If that is with Darnold or JJM, who knows. We will backload and void year some big FAs and go for it imo.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: paulgly

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Because a lot can happen, and who knows how many new credit cards Kwesi has accumulated, I'll simply provide the current givens:

$77M in cap space.

2025 cap items:
- $15M void
- $6M dead
- $6M in-season reserve (as a normal course of events)
+ $10M 2024 roll-over cap

Equals $60M in cap.

Around 25 UFAs.

Same song and dance you did before Ginkel Cashman Jones Darnold Gillmore Ward Tillery signed last year.

Cap space isn’t what it looks like. Multiple years not just that cap year. With Signing Bonus and 3-5 year contracts it is more money than it looks like.

Let's continue the same song and dance which was based on franchising Darnold:

Using Rat's numbers we enter the league year with $79M.
Assume the Franchise Tag for QBs is $42 million.

$79 - $42 = $37 million for adding 25 players. Have fun with that!

We can backload the FAs but probably not much in 2026-27 as the big $ kick in: Jefferson 39/43, Hock 21/23, Darrisaw 23/25, O'Neill 23, Greenard 22/22.

And at some point it would be nice to make a splash signing or two for a top CB, OG, DL, etc. instead of penciling in "Gillmore Ward Tillery". You know, to add real talent.

You mean the real talent of Van Ginkel, Cashman, Jones, and Greenard?

And they are far from the minimum wage types. And those defenders are already on the 2025 roster.

But you rest on those laurels. I want to see a new secondary with talent, a new IOL, some real DL (although it remains to be seen what may shake out with some of the newbies).

One thing I think we can all agree on is we need to start hitting some home runs in the draft to take that final step.

We have a 1st and 3rd(compensatory)in 2025 draft that needs to produce two solid players. Maybe turn those two picks into two 2s and a 3 to give ourselves a better chance at finding impact players.

Yep. To wit, here are a few tidbits:

In terms of performance, so far the 2024 draft and a big chunk of the 2025 draft has netted... a kicker.

Outside of Turner and his 7 career solo tackles, no other draftee has seen a single offensive or defensive snap.

As a recap the 2024 draft ended up costing:

#11 overall
4th
5th
(6th back)


2nd
2nd
3rd
4th
5th

4th
6th
6th
7th
7th

In draft sequence: #11 overall, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 4th, 5th, 5th, 6th (net), 7th, 7th.

Kwesi's draft misses in the secondary are especially problematic. I'm enjoying every second of this year. But not kidding myself going forward into thinking they have to do anything other than a complete secondary overhaul (assuming Byron Murphy gets the type of contract he probably will elsewhere).

Cine, Booth, Evans, Blackmon, Ward, Jackson (RIP). 6 picks in the top 4 rounds in 3 years and not 1 contributor let alone starter (I suppose Blackmon) may have a chance.

He crushed free agency this year - no denying that. But his drafts have been so bad.

This is a good point. At some point we need Young secondary talent. There won't be a lot of options this offseason either. The free agency has been awesome this year but it's tough to build an entire roster that way.

Some good FA CBs(but expensive)

Reed (Jets) Going to have to pay Sauce.

Ward (49ers) They paid big $$$ to Lenoir

Samuel Jr. (Chargers) Harbaugh didn't draft him so he probably leaves

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Some of last year's signees with void year money:

Greenard
Van Ginkel
Cashman
Darnold
Jones
"Gillmore"
Bradbury (restructure with void year money)
Harrison Smith (restructure with void year money)

Pump enough into void years, backloading, or "etc" and a lot can be done. Kwesi is the man for making my case

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

You've got three quarterbacks to choose from for next year.

One has never played a down in the NFL and comes from a run-first college offense. One has had a disastrous start to his NFL career. The third is 11-2 in 2024 with the #3 passer rating among starters.

If we are going to pay anyone next season, it should be the guy currently playing quarterback.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd M

Word out that Randy Moss has liver cancer. Hope he beats it. I lost my mom and brother to it.