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At #2 there would be an opportunity for a few drawn up plays for DJ.

Like in the RZ. Plays like - don’t epically choke…get it on the ****ing end zone.

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Brad, I hope you and all friends and family are staying safe out there in SoCal. The scenes on the news are horrific and otherworldly. My best to you and yours. ~ Lars

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My apologies to the board for my part in resurrecting Cousins as a flyswatter.

I’m done with it for now.

No apologies necessary. I brought him up last week when such a double standard was being applied. With Sam's predecessor all we heard was that he pads his stats, screw qb rating because the only stat that matters is the last two minutes, he holds the ball too long, he can't win big games.

It's like you said; if everything about that game was the same, except the name of the QB was Kirk Cousins, the same guy defending Sam would be at the front of the angry mob with torches and pitchforks.

With that, I apologize for continuing the KC comparison.

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Until next Monday, over Darnold, Jones has shown he can win a playoff game (provided he is facing a Donatell defense), and not throw a bunch of air balls. But his 2nd playoff game wasn't the best.

Jones is merely a cheaper option for next year.

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Sam had a good year with some nice highlights. But with the loss in Detroit and a collection of poor passes/decisions I think the best you can call him in 7.65/10. I’m not signing off on that.

No one knows how JJM will do or how he would have done. Who possibly could? I look forward to watching him write his own story.

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Daniel Jones showed already had chemistry with the Vikings when he threw a TD to Van Ginkel in game 1.

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KOC might be planning that, but doesn't that tell your starting QB you don't have confidence in him, in the red zone ?

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My apologies to the board for my part in resurrecting Cousins as a flyswatter.

I’m done with it for now.

No apologies necessary. I brought him up last week when such a double standard was being applied. With Sam's predecessor all we heard was that he pads his stats, screw qb rating because the only stat that matters is the last two minutes, he holds the ball too long, he can't win big games.

It's like you said; if everything about that game was the same, except the name of the QB was Kirk Cousins, the same guy defending Sam would be at the front of the angry mob with torches and pitchforks.

With that, I apologize for continuing the KC comparison.

Actually, that's not fair. Cousins had a body of work showing his failures during crunch time with the Vikings. Darnold had 3-4 bad passes on Sunday night, and outside of that has been spectacular all season. If we got rid of every guy that had one off night, there wouldn't be anyone left on the roster. Reichard would have been gone eight weeks ago and our interior o-line would all be free agents.

So no, it wasn't an apples to apples comparison.

And on that note, why is it that I have to prove my point? Why don't you guys try proving yours at some point?

What makes you think McCarthy is a better option than Darnold next season? That's the question at hand. Yet still, nothing but crickets. One person said because he won a college championship. That was the only rationale, as bad as it could be. Another brought up salary, which has a little merit should the Vikes sign him or franchise tag him.

I haven't seen one person break down the X's and O's on what McCarthy offers, and it's pretty obvious why.

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KOC might be planning that, but doesn't that tell your starting QB you don't have confidence in him, in the red zone ?

If we had an interior offensive line that could actually move the defensive line it would all be a moot point. Philadelphia and Detroit don't have to worry about drawing up crafty pass plays. They just run it down your throat. The same could be said for Buffalo, Baltimore, you name it.

Our offensive line is a joke, people.

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Until next Monday, over Darnold, Jones has shown he can win a playoff game (provided he is facing a Donatell defense), and not throw a bunch of air balls. But his 2nd playoff game wasn't the best.

Jones is merely a cheaper option for next year.

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Kirk Cousins got paid $2.7-million per win in 2022 when the team won 13 games. Darnold got paid $715k per win this season.

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Are there things that Jones might offer over Darnold for next year, or would it all be about the money ?

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Actually, that's not fair. Cousins had a body of work showing his failures during crunch time with the Vikings. Darnold had 3-4 bad passes on Sunday night, and outside of that has been spectacular all season. If we got rid of every guy that had one off night, there wouldn't be anyone left on the roster. Reichard would have been gone eight weeks ago and our interior o-line would all be free agents.

So no, it wasn't an apples to apples comparison.

And on that note, why is it that I have to prove my point? Why don't you guys try proving yours at some point?

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Oh … And just to be clear …

waiting for one good pass on Mon to coronate Sam’s ass … NO.

Sam has to have a great game against the Rams just to START rebuilding his own dike.

Anything less than very good with a win doesnt do it … it has to be at least as good as the Lions game was bad … just to get to 1-1 square one in critical games. And 1-1 buys you nothing in this world, certainly not 40M of my play money.

Its not until our SECOND playoff game, if there is one, that Sam starts to move his needle with this team. If our regime has any balls at all.

Sorry. Not my rules, take it or leave it … just the cold ruthless law of nature, whether you’re a qb, lion, wildebeest or samurai otter.

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My apologies to the board for my part in resurrecting Cousins as a flyswatter.

I’m done with it for now.

No apologies necessary. I brought him up last week when such a double standard was being applied. With Sam's predecessor all we heard was that he pads his stats, screw qb rating because the only stat that matters is the last two minutes, he holds the ball too long, he can't win big games.

It's like you said; if everything about that game was the same, except the name of the QB was Kirk Cousins, the same guy defending Sam would be at the front of the angry mob with torches and pitchforks.

With that, I apologize for continuing the KC comparison.

Actually, that's not fair. Cousins had a body of work showing his failures during crunch time with the Vikings. Darnold had 3-4 bad passes on Sunday night, and outside of that has been spectacular all season. If we got rid of every guy that had one off night, there wouldn't be anyone left on the roster. Reichard would have been gone eight weeks ago and our interior o-line would all be free agents.

So no, it wasn't an apples to apples comparison.

And on that note, why is it that I have to prove my point? Why don't you guys try proving yours at some point?

What makes you think McCarthy is a better option than Darnold next season? That's the question at hand. Yet still, nothing but crickets. One person said because he won a college championship. That was the only rationale, as bad as it could be. Another brought up salary, which has a little merit should the Vikes sign him or franchise tag him.

I haven't seen one person break down the X's and O's on what McCarthy offers, and it's pretty obvious why.

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Oh … And just to be clear …

waiting for one good pass on Mon to coronate Sam’s ass … NO.

Sam has to have a great game against the Rams just to START rebuilding his own dike.

Anything less than very good with a win doesnt do it … it has to be at least as good as the Lions game was bad … just to get to 1-1 square one in critical games. And 1-1 buys you nothing in this world, certainly not 40M of my play money.

Its not until our SECOND playoff game, if there is one, that Sam starts to move his needle with this team. If our regime has any balls at all.

Sorry. Not my rules, take it or leave it … just the cold ruthless law of nature, whether you’re a qb, lion, wildebeest or samurai otter.

Man, the expectations have really gone up in this place.

Again, Cousins took his team to 13-4 and you couldn't stand him. And that team was much worse than this year's ...

Hang out until Mon, you may or not get some help with your double-standard from Sam.

Monday makes no difference to me. At 14-3 with the #6 passer rating, he has done enough to convince me he can lead this team a long ways. If he had the offensive line that Jared Goff or Jalen Hurts had, there is no telling what the Vikings' record would have been.

You guys do realize, without Darrisaw, he has one of the worst offensive lines in football, right?

This isn't about Darnold or Cousins. It's about Darnold or McCarthy.

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Yeah no Darrisaw but Robinson and a good defense evens it out to Darrisaw and a putrid defense. Even the bad iol has been less bad this year.

Its not about Darnold or Cousins because you dont have a leg to stand on.

For you, it is about Darnold or JJM because you can make up whatever shit you want until JJM plays.

Its easy to imagine Darnold having a horrific game on Mon, signing elsewhere and stinking it up like Cousins, and jjm taking us to a 15-2 season … only to still have to listen to you droning on about how we should have kept Darnold.

Because its all about your argument for you. Its about the Vikings moving forward for the rest of us.

Again, Kirk Cousins was nine years older than Darnold and his age was starting to show. So no, it isn't apples to apples and isn't all about numbers. In addition, after he refused to get vaccinated I refused to support him (that's on me, admittedly). The quarterback has to be a leader.

BTW, how is Kirk Cousins looking this season? Nobody wants to address that, do they? Why? Because I was right! He's a shitty leader whose agent belongs on Mount Rushmore.