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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 6:16:30 AM   
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I'm so glad we have no draft capital and are going to have to pick from leftovers in the first round.


If I’m the Wilfs I’m holding back on extensions until next year. If McCarthy is looking like the one QB with the least promise I trash it all.

Agree. So prepare for a lifetime contract.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 6:42:27 AM   
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I was for promoting Flores to head coach last year, but I am for giving KOC 2 more years.

KOC got great seasons out of mediocre QBs in Cousins and Darnold, I would like to see what he would do with a great QB, and am hoping we have that with McCarthy.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 7:00:21 AM   
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Last night's game was painful to watch. Darnold looked scared and indecisive, the offensive line couldn't stop the pass rush, and the defense couldn't stop the Rams in the first half. The question I have is how the heck KOC didn't expect the Rams defense to attack the same way the Lions did the week before?! No adjustment in the passing game, no quick short passes to help Darnold out. Frustrating.

With that being said, the season was not horrible, despite the ending. We were predicted to be a .500 team at best and somehow we won 14 games. KOC definitely has room to grow and it will be interesting to see what happens with Flores. We do not have many draft picks so we better make the number one a great one. I know we have a lot of cap room but the team has lots of defensive players not under contract for next year. Obvious we have to get some interior line help on both sides of the ball and help for the secondary. I am assuming H. Smith is retired and his leadership will be missed, but he had little impact the last part of the season.

It is time to look forward and I am excited to see what the offseason brings and as well as getting McCarthy at QB. I will keep bleeding Purple and Gold until I day and I hope/pray for one Super Bowl win before I die although they better hurry up as I am getting older fast. SKOL!!!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 7:06:03 AM   
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You can’t stamp - biggest losers in NFL history on that season and call it anything but an embarrassing failure.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 7:08:18 AM   
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I hope Sam’s playing somewhere (else) for less than 10 million a year.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 7:17:56 AM   
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Does anyone really see Flores getting a HC job? I think he is coming back. Give the guy some CBs and some decent Lineman and we can take a big step defensively.


You almost have to corner the FA market to get a talented and new secondary as well as a couple of difference makers up front. And even expensive FAs don't necessarily pan out. That said, they damn well better try to give Flores or whoever a talent influx.

Bynum should probably be gone. Unless he would settle for 6M per.

If you can keep Murphy for 10-12, I might think about it. Guy has ball skills and his coverage got better as the year went on.

You need to sign one of the top 3 CB FAs. A must.

Something like Reed, Murphy and Blackmon and 3rd rounder would be nice.


Yes need a physical corner like Reed or Sauce even.....Nakua type we can't match up to them.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 7:19:01 AM   
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I was for promoting Flores to head coach last year, but I am for giving KOC 2 more years.

KOC got great seasons out of mediocre QBs in Cousins and Darnold, I would like to see what he would do with a great QB, and am hoping we have that with McCarthy.

I am on the complete other end of that equation. O'Connell looks like a guy that needs a lot more seasoning before he is going to be a great coach in the NFL.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 7:21:46 AM   
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I was for promoting Flores to head coach last year, but I am for giving KOC 2 more years.

KOC got great seasons out of mediocre QBs in Cousins and Darnold, I would like to see what he would do with a great QB, and am hoping we have that with McCarthy.

I am on the complete other end of that equation. O'Connell looks like a guy that needs a lot more seasoning before he is going to be a great coach in the NFL.


Nah it was QB play all the way that makes the difference.....Sam is now in the 5-7 million dollar club. Stafford threw the ball away when needed, got rid of the ball, or made the necessary check downs (sometimes it is a change in blocking scheme).

Sam not only was off throwing but he wasn't making the correct checks....he can check to a hot route at any time or change the blocking scheme.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 7:27:26 AM   
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I’d rather see this thing stripped to the bones vs ****ing around with things half ass. I don’t care if we go from 14-3 to 3-14. Let’s stop the build around a disappearing super star receiver.

Gut it and build it around JJM. Build it up strong from the lines out.

**** Kevin. **** Queasy.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 7:27:58 AM   
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We have no idea if McCarthy can play. He was good at handing the ball off and made timely throws. It's definitely not a given that he can play.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 7:28:15 AM   
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I said it three weeks ago and I'll say it again. The offensive line will be the eventual undoing of this team. You could see it coming. Aaron Glenn exposed them last weekend and McVay copied the script on Monday night.

Having said that, I am no longer all-in on Kevin O'Connell. He made zero adjustments to the offense between last week and this week. Just thought he could roll out the same game plan that he had all season and win. With no running game and little protection, he kept running the same routes and never made adjustments. The only successes they had was when they went underneath, and seemingly every drive he would go away from it at some point.

Whether Darnold is back in Minnesota next season or not, this team is not winning anything special until they resolve the issues up front. McCarthy? Good luck! Daniel Jones? Good luck! I see 7-8 wins next season, at-best, if the problems on the o-line are not corrected. They got everything they could have asked for, and then some, out of Sam Darnold. If they move on, and I expect they will (because he'll be the scapegoat), it doesn't solve the main problem. There is one team that has figured out how to win with a bad offensive line (Kansas City). It takes great coaching, leadership and every guy on the team buying in. You can disguise a weakness if you have the right people. Kevin O'Connell is not that guy, IMO. He lacks the experience and humility to be great.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 7:30:56 AM   
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It’s 1000% Sam the bum Darnold won’t be back.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 7:32:02 AM   
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I said it three weeks ago and I'll say it again. The offensive line will be the eventual undoing of this team. You could see it coming. Aaron Glenn exposed them last weekend and McVay copied the script on Monday night.

Having said that, I am no longer all-in on Kevin O'Connell. He made zero adjustments to the offense between last week and this week. Just thought he could roll out the same game plan that he had all season and win. With no running game and little protection, he kept running the same routes and never made adjustments. The only successes they had was when they went underneath, and seemingly every drive he would go away from it at some point.

Whether Darnold is back in Minnesota next season or not, this team is not winning anything special until they resolve the issues up front. McCarthy? Good luck! Daniel Jones? Good luck! I see 7-8 wins next season, at-best, if the problems on the o-line are not corrected. They got everything they could have asked for, and then some, out of Sam Darnold. If they move on, and I expect they will (because he'll be the scapegoat), it doesn't solve the main problem.


Again where were Sam's checks at the line for blocking and hot routes? You know like Stafford did (moving the RB in front of him to block at times).

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 7:32:40 AM   
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I said it three weeks ago and I'll say it again. The offensive line will be the eventual undoing of this team. You could see it coming. Aaron Glenn exposed them last weekend and McVay copied the script on Monday night.

Having said that, I am no longer all-in on Kevin O'Connell. He made zero adjustments to the offense between last week and this week. Just thought he could roll out the same game plan that he had all season and win. With no running game and little protection, he kept running the same routes and never made adjustments. The only successes they had was when they went underneath, and seemingly every drive he would go away from it at some point.

Whether Darnold is back in Minnesota next season or not, this team is not winning anything special until they resolve the issues up front. McCarthy? Good luck! Daniel Jones? Good luck! I see 7-8 wins next season, at-best, if the problems on the o-line are not corrected. They got everything they could have asked for, and then some, out of Sam Darnold. If they move on, and I expect they will (because he'll be the scapegoat), it doesn't solve the main problem.

I'm not sure I'd trust o'connell leading a group of Webelos in a highly contested game of capture the flag.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 7:33:26 AM   
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It’s 1000% Sam the bum Darnold won’t be back.

You are probably right on that. He'll be the scapegoat after winning 14 games.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 7:34:14 AM   
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I said it three weeks ago and I'll say it again. The offensive line will be the eventual undoing of this team. You could see it coming. Aaron Glenn exposed them last weekend and McVay copied the script on Monday night.

Having said that, I am no longer all-in on Kevin O'Connell. He made zero adjustments to the offense between last week and this week. Just thought he could roll out the same game plan that he had all season and win. With no running game and little protection, he kept running the same routes and never made adjustments. The only successes they had was when they went underneath, and seemingly every drive he would go away from it at some point.

Whether Darnold is back in Minnesota next season or not, this team is not winning anything special until they resolve the issues up front. McCarthy? Good luck! Daniel Jones? Good luck! I see 7-8 wins next season, at-best, if the problems on the o-line are not corrected. They got everything they could have asked for, and then some, out of Sam Darnold. If they move on, and I expect they will (because he'll be the scapegoat), it doesn't solve the main problem.

I'm not sure I'd trust o'connell leading a group of Webelos in a highly contested game of capture the flag.


I don't agree....of the last 3 teams which one had an over abundance of talent? He has coached up the team......they need to add talent.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 7:35:07 AM   
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It’s 1000% Sam the bum Darnold won’t be back.

You are probably right on that. He'll be the scapegoat after winning 14 games.


It is all about the QB play in the playoffs.....you know the Kirk checkdown on 4th down when he was aces all game. That is the job. None of the 32 teams will give him more than 12-15 million....he has been exposed by the last 2 teams....blame KOC but he hid his weaknesses most of the season.

You know the coach that made Sam look good most of the year is the guy you are blaming for the last 2 games.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 7:35:15 AM   
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Addison balls out more than Jefferson.

Doubt we can build around that. Might only have one more year with him before he presses for a trade.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 7:36:43 AM   
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I said it three weeks ago and I'll say it again. The offensive line will be the eventual undoing of this team. You could see it coming. Aaron Glenn exposed them last weekend and McVay copied the script on Monday night.

Having said that, I am no longer all-in on Kevin O'Connell. He made zero adjustments to the offense between last week and this week. Just thought he could roll out the same game plan that he had all season and win. With no running game and little protection, he kept running the same routes and never made adjustments. The only successes they had was when they went underneath, and seemingly every drive he would go away from it at some point.

Whether Darnold is back in Minnesota next season or not, this team is not winning anything special until they resolve the issues up front. McCarthy? Good luck! Daniel Jones? Good luck! I see 7-8 wins next season, at-best, if the problems on the o-line are not corrected. They got everything they could have asked for, and then some, out of Sam Darnold. If they move on, and I expect they will (because he'll be the scapegoat), it doesn't solve the main problem.

I'm not sure I'd trust o'connell leading a group of Webelos in a highly contested game of capture the flag.


I don't agree....of the last 3 teams which one had an over abundance of talent? He has coached up the team......they need to add talent.

I disagree. Big games these last 2 weeks he looks lost. Where was the urgency in the entire 2nd half? I saw a guy who was in over his head and quit.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 7:38:09 AM   
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Addison balls out more than Jefferson.

Doubt we can build around that. Might only have one more year with him before he presses for a trade.

Addison kept fighting. Can't say the same for Mr all style no substance.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 7:38:46 AM   
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I said it three weeks ago and I'll say it again. The offensive line will be the eventual undoing of this team. You could see it coming. Aaron Glenn exposed them last weekend and McVay copied the script on Monday night.

Having said that, I am no longer all-in on Kevin O'Connell. He made zero adjustments to the offense between last week and this week. Just thought he could roll out the same game plan that he had all season and win. With no running game and little protection, he kept running the same routes and never made adjustments. The only successes they had was when they went underneath, and seemingly every drive he would go away from it at some point.

Whether Darnold is back in Minnesota next season or not, this team is not winning anything special until they resolve the issues up front. McCarthy? Good luck! Daniel Jones? Good luck! I see 7-8 wins next season, at-best, if the problems on the o-line are not corrected. They got everything they could have asked for, and then some, out of Sam Darnold. If they move on, and I expect they will (because he'll be the scapegoat), it doesn't solve the main problem.

I'm not sure I'd trust o'connell leading a group of Webelos in a highly contested game of capture the flag.


I don't agree....of the last 3 teams which one had an over abundance of talent? He has coached up the team......they need to add talent.

I disagree. Big games these last 2 weeks he looks lost. Where was the urgency in the entire 2nd half? I saw a guy who was in over his head and quit.


You do checks at the line before the snap and after being sacked 7 times he was like punch drunk Rocky. Jones must not have been able to call the plays---I would have made the switch at half time.

Stafford was very good at checks....Sam isn't.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 7:39:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Brad H

I said it three weeks ago and I'll say it again. The offensive line will be the eventual undoing of this team. You could see it coming. Aaron Glenn exposed them last weekend and McVay copied the script on Monday night.

Having said that, I am no longer all-in on Kevin O'Connell. He made zero adjustments to the offense between last week and this week. Just thought he could roll out the same game plan that he had all season and win. With no running game and little protection, he kept running the same routes and never made adjustments. The only successes they had was when they went underneath, and seemingly every drive he would go away from it at some point.

Whether Darnold is back in Minnesota next season or not, this team is not winning anything special until they resolve the issues up front. McCarthy? Good luck! Daniel Jones? Good luck! I see 7-8 wins next season, at-best, if the problems on the o-line are not corrected. They got everything they could have asked for, and then some, out of Sam Darnold. If they move on, and I expect they will (because he'll be the scapegoat), it doesn't solve the main problem.

I'm not sure I'd trust o'connell leading a group of Webelos in a highly contested game of capture the flag.


I don't agree....of the last 3 teams which one had an over abundance of talent? He has coached up the team......they need to add talent.

I disagree. Big games these last 2 weeks he looks lost. Where was the urgency in the entire 2nd half? I saw a guy who was in over his head and quit.


You do checks at the line and after being sacked 7 times he was like punch drunk Rocky. Jones must not have been able to call the plays---I would have made the switch at half time.

KOC tried nothing. Exactly. Then they tried to just run out the clock.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 7:40:09 AM   
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It’s 1000% Sam the bum Darnold won’t be back.

You are probably right on that. He'll be the scapegoat after winning 14 games.


It is all about the QB play in the playoffs.....you know the Kirk checkdown on 4th down when he was aces all game. That is the job. None of the 32 teams will give him more than 12-15 million....he has been exposed by the last 2 teams....blame KOC but he hid his weaknesses most of the season.

You can only do so much. Joe Montana wasn't winning that game. Kansas City is the only remaining team in the playoffs with an offensive line similar to the Vikings. Ultimately, it will be their undoing as well. But with Andy Reid and Mahomes they will find a way to make it interesting. Why? Because they understand their weaknesses and how to offset them.

O'Connell's time management and use of timeouts is just abysmal. I lost almost all faith in his leadership the past two weekends. His inability to adjust was the topper.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 7:41:27 AM   
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It’s 1000% Sam the bum Darnold won’t be back.

You are probably right on that. He'll be the scapegoat after winning 14 games.


It is all about the QB play in the playoffs.....you know the Kirk checkdown on 4th down when he was aces all game. That is the job. None of the 32 teams will give him more than 12-15 million....he has been exposed by the last 2 teams....blame KOC but he hid his weaknesses most of the season.

You can only do so much. Joe Montana wasn't winning that game. Kansas City is the only remaining team in the playoffs with an offensive line similar to the Vikings. Ultimately, it will be their undoing as well. But with Andy Reid and Mahomes they will find a way to make it interesting. Why? Because they understand their weaknesses and how to offset them.

O'Connell's time management and use of timeouts is just abysmal. I lost almost all faith in his leadership the past two weekends. His inability to adjust was the topper.

BINGO!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 7:42:40 AM   
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I said it three weeks ago and I'll say it again. The offensive line will be the eventual undoing of this team. You could see it coming. Aaron Glenn exposed them last weekend and McVay copied the script on Monday night.

Having said that, I am no longer all-in on Kevin O'Connell. He made zero adjustments to the offense between last week and this week. Just thought he could roll out the same game plan that he had all season and win. With no running game and little protection, he kept running the same routes and never made adjustments. The only successes they had was when they went underneath, and seemingly every drive he would go away from it at some point.

Whether Darnold is back in Minnesota next season or not, this team is not winning anything special until they resolve the issues up front. McCarthy? Good luck! Daniel Jones? Good luck! I see 7-8 wins next season, at-best, if the problems on the o-line are not corrected. They got everything they could have asked for, and then some, out of Sam Darnold. If they move on, and I expect they will (because he'll be the scapegoat), it doesn't solve the main problem.

I'm not sure I'd trust o'connell leading a group of Webelos in a highly contested game of capture the flag.


I don't agree....of the last 3 teams which one had an over abundance of talent? He has coached up the team......they need to add talent.

I disagree. Big games these last 2 weeks he looks lost. Where was the urgency in the entire 2nd half? I saw a guy who was in over his head and quit.


You do checks at the line and after being sacked 7 times he was like punch drunk Rocky. Jones must not have been able to call the plays---I would have made the switch at half time.

KOC tried nothing. Exactly. Then they tried to just run out the clock.


They tried the game before and same result after 3.5 quarters this game. There was a tweet from Kevin Seifert from ESPN research half way thru the 3rd quarter about how bad Sam was playing.....this was his second worst game next to last week of the season.

In losses over the past eight days to the Rams and the Detroit Lions, he threw a combined 23 off-target throws, according to ESPN Research, and took a total of 11 sacks -- including nine Monday night.

13 last week, 10 this week (off target passes).

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