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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
Anyone want to throw picks over to us for Kevin now?
I’d have mad respect for the Wilfs if they recognize the trap we’re laying to stay in purgatory. Trade KOC, fire Kwesi and rebuild right.

You are nuts. Remember what happened with Zimmer his last year and what has happened 2 of the 3 years KOC has done w/o as much talent. Kwesi getting fired could be a possibility with Flores being FO/DC.

KOC is a top coach....he has done it with Kirk and Darnold.

He has done what? You keep saying winning in the playoffs is the only thing that matters.

He has done more with less.....Your guy Sam is proof. Now you are scapegoating KOC.

I'm just quoting past conversations. You said all week that winning in the playoffs is all that matters as it relates to Darnold. Funny how the story changes when it's the coach. I never expected to win this game.

Again that was concerning Sam's contract. You think they should Franchise Tag him now?

KOC wanted to win the game but they are all in for 2025---2024 was a restock but they did better than I expected.....tons of cap $$$.

All depends on what they do up front. They can win with him, but not with the current make-up up front. The script has been written on how to beat them. Every defensive coordinator in the league was watching, and it's apparent that our coach is youthful and inexperienced to make the necessary adjustments.

My hunch is that they will not retain him. The fans are too simplistic in their approach to the game and will demand that McCarthy plays. Then, when they win seven games next season they will go head-hunting for O'Connell. It's a vicious cycle of incompetence.

Once you get to the playoffs, it's hard to hide weaknesses. We saw a lot of them last night. It wasn't just Darnold. There was a lot of crappy football all around.

It is simple.

Offer Sam 10M to stay so we can try to shore up the Lines and secondary.

If he refuses, go with the next QB reclamation project Jones.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
Anyone want to throw picks over to us for Kevin now?
I’d have mad respect for the Wilfs if they recognize the trap we’re laying to stay in purgatory. Trade KOC, fire Kwesi and rebuild right.

You are nuts. Remember what happened with Zimmer his last year and what has happened 2 of the 3 years KOC has done w/o as much talent. Kwesi getting fired could be a possibility with Flores being FO/DC.

KOC is a top coach....he has done it with Kirk and Darnold.

He has done what? You keep saying winning in the playoffs is the only thing that matters.

He has done more with less.....Your guy Sam is proof. Now you are scapegoating KOC.

I'm just quoting past conversations. You said all week that winning in the playoffs is all that matters as it relates to Darnold. Funny how the story changes when it's the coach. I never expected to win this game.

Again that was concerning Sam's contract. You think they should Franchise Tag him now?

KOC wanted to win the game but they are all in for 2025---2024 was a restock but they did better than I expected.....tons of cap $$$.

What team is going to pay Sam big $$$? And have success.

Maybe Pittsburgh. And they might want to go through the draft instead of old retreads.

His best chance is here and also with another backup contract. Offer Sam and Jones 8-10M, whoever takes it first is on the team.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
Anyone want to throw picks over to us for Kevin now?
I’d have mad respect for the Wilfs if they recognize the trap we’re laying to stay in purgatory. Trade KOC, fire Kwesi and rebuild right.

You are nuts. Remember what happened with Zimmer his last year and what has happened 2 of the 3 years KOC has done w/o as much talent. Kwesi getting fired could be a possibility with Flores being FO/DC.

KOC is a top coach....he has done it with Kirk and Darnold.

He has done what? You keep saying winning in the playoffs is the only thing that matters.

He has done more with less.....Your guy Sam is proof. Now you are scapegoating KOC.

I'm just quoting past conversations. You said all week that winning in the playoffs is all that matters as it relates to Darnold. Funny how the story changes when it's the coach. I never expected to win this game.

Again that was concerning Sam's contract. You think they should Franchise Tag him now?

KOC wanted to win the game but they are all in for 2025---2024 was a restock but they did better than I expected.....tons of cap $$$.

All depends on what they do up front. They can win with him, but not with the current make-up up front. The script has been written on how to beat them. Every defensive coordinator in the league was watching, and it's apparent that our coach is youthful and inexperienced to make the necessary adjustments.

My hunch is that they will not retain him. The fans are too simplistic in their approach to the game and will demand that McCarthy plays. Then, when they win seven games next season they will go head-hunting for O'Connell. It's a vicious cycle of incompetence.

Once you get to the playoffs, it's hard to hide weaknesses. We saw a lot of them last night. It wasn't just Darnold. There was a lot of crappy football all around.

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
Anyone want to throw picks over to us for Kevin now?
I’d have mad respect for the Wilfs if they recognize the trap we’re laying to stay in purgatory. Trade KOC, fire Kwesi and rebuild right.

You are nuts. Remember what happened with Zimmer his last year and what has happened 2 of the 3 years KOC has done w/o as much talent. Kwesi getting fired could be a possibility with Flores being FO/DC.

KOC is a top coach....he has done it with Kirk and Darnold.

He has done what? You keep saying winning in the playoffs is the only thing that matters.

He has done more with less.....Your guy Sam is proof. Now you are scapegoating KOC.

I'm just quoting past conversations. You said all week that winning in the playoffs is all that matters as it relates to Darnold. Funny how the story changes when it's the coach. I never expected to win this game.

Again that was concerning Sam's contract. You think they should Franchise Tag him now?

KOC wanted to win the game but they are all in for 2025---2024 was a restock but they did better than I expected.....tons of cap $$$.

What team is going to pay Sam big $$$? And have success.

Maybe Pittsburgh. And they might want to go through the draft instead of old retreads.

His best chance is here and also with another backup contract. Offer Sam and Jones 8-10M, whoever takes it first is on the team.

Yeah, there aren't really a ton of teams in need of starter.

If you assume 2 of Tenn, LV, Cle, NYG will draft a QB, that leaves 2 teams

NYJ would be the other, but I just don't seem him going back to NY.

The Saints possibly, but they are in cap hell, and probably ride out Carr for 1 more year.

Seems like Indy could be a possibility to fill out the Flacco role, or maybe even SF to back up Purdy.

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
Anyone want to throw picks over to us for Kevin now?
I’d have mad respect for the Wilfs if they recognize the trap we’re laying to stay in purgatory. Trade KOC, fire Kwesi and rebuild right.

You are nuts. Remember what happened with Zimmer his last year and what has happened 2 of the 3 years KOC has done w/o as much talent. Kwesi getting fired could be a possibility with Flores being FO/DC.

KOC is a top coach....he has done it with Kirk and Darnold.

He has done what? You keep saying winning in the playoffs is the only thing that matters.

He has done more with less.....Your guy Sam is proof. Now you are scapegoating KOC.

I'm just quoting past conversations. You said all week that winning in the playoffs is all that matters as it relates to Darnold. Funny how the story changes when it's the coach. I never expected to win this game.

Again that was concerning Sam's contract. You think they should Franchise Tag him now?

KOC wanted to win the game but they are all in for 2025---2024 was a restock but they did better than I expected.....tons of cap $$$.

What team is going to pay Sam big $$$? And have success.

Maybe Pittsburgh. And they might want to go through the draft instead of old retreads.

His best chance is here and also with another backup contract. Offer Sam and Jones 8-10M, whoever takes it first is on the team.

Yeah, there aren't really a ton of teams in need of starter.

If you assume 2 of Tenn, LV, Cle, NYG will draft a QB, that leaves 2 teams

NYJ would be the other, but I just don't seem him going back to NY.

The Saints possibly, but they are in cap hell, and probably ride out Carr for 1 more year.

Seems like Indy could be a possibility to fill out the Flacco role, or maybe even SF to back up Purdy.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
Anyone want to throw picks over to us for Kevin now?
I’d have mad respect for the Wilfs if they recognize the trap we’re laying to stay in purgatory. Trade KOC, fire Kwesi and rebuild right.

You are nuts. Remember what happened with Zimmer his last year and what has happened 2 of the 3 years KOC has done w/o as much talent. Kwesi getting fired could be a possibility with Flores being FO/DC.

KOC is a top coach....he has done it with Kirk and Darnold.

He has done what? You keep saying winning in the playoffs is the only thing that matters.

He has done more with less.....Your guy Sam is proof. Now you are scapegoating KOC.

I'm just quoting past conversations. You said all week that winning in the playoffs is all that matters as it relates to Darnold. Funny how the story changes when it's the coach. I never expected to win this game.

Again that was concerning Sam's contract. You think they should Franchise Tag him now?

KOC wanted to win the game but they are all in for 2025---2024 was a restock but they did better than I expected.....tons of cap $$$.

All depends on what they do up front. They can win with him, but not with the current make-up up front. The script has been written on how to beat them. Every defensive coordinator in the league was watching, and it's apparent that our coach is youthful and inexperienced to make the necessary adjustments.

My hunch is that they will not retain him. The fans are too simplistic in their approach to the game and will demand that McCarthy plays. Then, when they win seven games next season they will go head-hunting for O'Connell. It's a vicious cycle of incompetence.

Once you get to the playoffs, it's hard to hide weaknesses. We saw a lot of them last night. It wasn't just Darnold. There was a lot of crappy football all around.

It is simple.

Offer Sam 10M to stay so we can try to shore up the Lines and secondary.

If he refuses, go with the next QB reclamation project Jones.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
Anyone want to throw picks over to us for Kevin now?
I’d have mad respect for the Wilfs if they recognize the trap we’re laying to stay in purgatory. Trade KOC, fire Kwesi and rebuild right.

You are nuts. Remember what happened with Zimmer his last year and what has happened 2 of the 3 years KOC has done w/o as much talent. Kwesi getting fired could be a possibility with Flores being FO/DC.

KOC is a top coach....he has done it with Kirk and Darnold.

He has done what? You keep saying winning in the playoffs is the only thing that matters.

He has done more with less.....Your guy Sam is proof. Now you are scapegoating KOC.

I'm just quoting past conversations. You said all week that winning in the playoffs is all that matters as it relates to Darnold. Funny how the story changes when it's the coach. I never expected to win this game.

Again that was concerning Sam's contract. You think they should Franchise Tag him now?

KOC wanted to win the game but they are all in for 2025---2024 was a restock but they did better than I expected.....tons of cap $$$.

All depends on what they do up front. They can win with him, but not with the current make-up up front. The script has been written on how to beat them. Every defensive coordinator in the league was watching, and it's apparent that our coach is youthful and inexperienced to make the necessary adjustments.

My hunch is that they will not retain him. The fans are too simplistic in their approach to the game and will demand that McCarthy plays. Then, when they win seven games next season they will go head-hunting for O'Connell. It's a vicious cycle of incompetence.

Once you get to the playoffs, it's hard to hide weaknesses. We saw a lot of them last night. It wasn't just Darnold. There was a lot of crappy football all around.

Yep. And that is why you go with the QB on the rookie contract. Unless Sam wants to play for 10M again.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
Anyone want to throw picks over to us for Kevin now?
I’d have mad respect for the Wilfs if they recognize the trap we’re laying to stay in purgatory. Trade KOC, fire Kwesi and rebuild right.

You are nuts. Remember what happened with Zimmer his last year and what has happened 2 of the 3 years KOC has done w/o as much talent. Kwesi getting fired could be a possibility with Flores being FO/DC.

KOC is a top coach....he has done it with Kirk and Darnold.

He has done what? You keep saying winning in the playoffs is the only thing that matters.

He has done more with less.....Your guy Sam is proof. Now you are scapegoating KOC.

I'm just quoting past conversations. You said all week that winning in the playoffs is all that matters as it relates to Darnold. Funny how the story changes when it's the coach. I never expected to win this game.

Again that was concerning Sam's contract. You think they should Franchise Tag him now?

KOC wanted to win the game but they are all in for 2025---2024 was a restock but they did better than I expected.....tons of cap $$$.

What team is going to pay Sam big $$$? And have success.

Maybe Pittsburgh. And they might want to go through the draft instead of old retreads.

His best chance is here and also with another backup contract. Offer Sam and Jones 8-10M, whoever takes it first is on the team.

Yeah, there aren't really a ton of teams in need of starter.

If you assume 2 of Tenn, LV, Cle, NYG will draft a QB, that leaves 2 teams

NYJ would be the other, but I just don't seem him going back to NY.

The Saints possibly, but they are in cap hell, and probably ride out Carr for 1 more year.

Seems like Indy could be a possibility to fill out the Flacco role, or maybe even SF to back up Purdy.

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Sam stinks. No even for vet minimum.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Sam stinks. No even for vet minimum.

Stunk his way to 14 wins. You want to lay a wager that McCarthy doesn't win 14 games next season? I'm all ears. We can find a mutual person on this site and have them hold the money if you'd like.

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

I can't watch Manning Cast when the Vikings are playing, but folks are saying they were being pretty critical of WR play calling?

No slants, crossers, guys in motion, etc.

Seems KOC fell in love with deep throws. Not a great recipe when team are playing press man on your WRs with safeties deep and your IOL not holding up for 6 seconds.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Sam stinks. No even for vet minimum.

Stunk his way to 14 wins. You want to lay a wager that McCarthy doesn't win 14 games next season? I'm all ears. We can find a mutual person on this site and have them hold the money if you'd like.

I would bet on 9 since you said he won't get that many wins earlier....or was it 7?

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

I can't watch Manning Cast when the Vikings are playing, but folks are saying they were being pretty critical of WR play calling?

No slants, crossers, guys in motion, etc.

Seems KOC fell in love with deep throws. Not a great recipe when team are playing press man on your WRs with safeties deep and your IOL not holding up for 6 seconds.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Sam stinks. No even for vet minimum.

Stunk his way to 14 wins. You want to lay a wager that McCarthy doesn't win 14 games next season? I'm all ears. We can find a mutual person on this site and have them hold the money if you'd like.

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

I can't watch Manning Cast when the Vikings are playing, but folks are saying they were being pretty critical of WR play calling?

No slants, crossers, guys in motion, etc.

Seems KOC fell in love with deep throws. Not a great recipe when team are playing press man on your WRs with safeties deep and your IOL not holding up for 6 seconds.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Sam stinks. No even for vet minimum.

Stunk his way to 14 wins. You want to lay a wager that McCarthy doesn't win 14 games next season? I'm all ears. We can find a mutual person on this site and have them hold the money if you'd like.

I would bet on 9 since you said he won't get that many wins earlier....or was it 7?

I said 7-8. I wouldn't bet a ton of money on nine. But 14 with McCarthy? Hell yes, bring it on.

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Sam stinks. No even for vet minimum.

Stunk his way to 14 wins. You want to lay a wager that McCarthy doesn't win 14 games next season? I'm all ears. We can find a mutual person on this site and have them hold the money if you'd like.

One thing we all may need to prepare for is JJ struggles

Drake Maye and Caleb Williams are both way more talented and struggled at times. Granted Vikings have much better WR/TE personnel than both those teams.

I lot of folks were beating their chest about Bo NIx being a terrible pick, had no arem
Kid looked damn good.

Until we see JJ, we have no idea, there have been more sure things that have failed.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

I can't watch Manning Cast when the Vikings are playing, but folks are saying they were being pretty critical of WR play calling?

No slants, crossers, guys in motion, etc.

Seems KOC fell in love with deep throws. Not a great recipe when team are playing press man on your WRs with safeties deep and your IOL not holding up for 6 seconds.

We really don't have physical WR....TJ and Nailor are the two slant inside guys. I agree with that all year.....very few slants except to those two.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

I can't watch Manning Cast when the Vikings are playing, but folks are saying they were being pretty critical of WR play calling?

No slants, crossers, guys in motion, etc.

Seems KOC fell in love with deep throws. Not a great recipe when team are playing press man on your WRs with safeties deep and your IOL not holding up for 6 seconds.

We really don't have physical WR....TJ and Nailor are the two slant inside guys. I agree with that all year.....very few slants except to those two.

The "best wr in the game" and Addison can't run slants?

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

I can't watch Manning Cast when the Vikings are playing, but folks are saying they were being pretty critical of WR play calling?

No slants, crossers, guys in motion, etc.

Seems KOC fell in love with deep throws. Not a great recipe when team are playing press man on your WRs with safeties deep and your IOL not holding up for 6 seconds.

Yup. A few of us have noticed this. He hates the slant routes it seems

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Addison balls out more than Jefferson.

Doubt we can build around that. Might only have one more year with him before he presses for a trade.

Addison kept fighting. Can't say the same for Mr all style no substance.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

I can't watch Manning Cast when the Vikings are playing, but folks are saying they were being pretty critical of WR play calling?

No slants, crossers, guys in motion, etc.

Seems KOC fell in love with deep throws. Not a great recipe when team are playing press man on your WRs with safeties deep and your IOL not holding up for 6 seconds.

Yup. A few of us have noticed this. He hates the slant routes it seems

O'Connell is a style points guy. Get the ball to the divas for big plays.

He showed no patience over the past two weeks. Sometime you have to win ugly.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

I can't watch Manning Cast when the Vikings are playing, but folks are saying they were being pretty critical of WR play calling?

No slants, crossers, guys in motion, etc.

Seems KOC fell in love with deep throws. Not a great recipe when team are playing press man on your WRs with safeties deep and your IOL not holding up for 6 seconds.

We really don't have physical WR....TJ and Nailor are the two slant inside guys. I agree with that all year.....very few slants except to those two.

The "best wr in the game" and Addison can't run slants?