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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 10:46:13 AM   
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Dallas Turner unleashed. 8 snaps with 1 assisted tackle. With PJones out.

One of the 1st defensive picks off the board should explode onto the scene. We got a project.


People want to admit it or not, but we have a clear college evaluation issue.
Maybe it's our actual scouts, may be it's just a bad run. All teams have bad drafts.

It's a problem. 3 years, Addison, Pace, Blackmon, Reichard.
Sorry that's it, those are the competent contributors, and I'm being generous with Blackmon since he looked the part.
Lions had Gibbs, Campbell, LaPorta, Branch....in 1 freaking draft.

Dead on!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 10:55:10 AM   
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Dallas Turner unleashed. 8 snaps with 1 assisted tackle. With PJones out.

One of the 1st defensive picks off the board should explode onto the scene. We got a project.


People want to admit it or not, but we have a clear college evaluation issue.
Maybe it's our actual scouts, may be it's just a bad run. All teams have bad drafts.

It's a problem. 3 years, Addison, Pace, Blackmon, Reichard.
Sorry that's it, those are the competent contributors, and I'm being generous with Blackmon since he looked the part.
Lions had Gibbs, Campbell, LaPorta, Branch....in 1 freaking draft.


And maybe McCarthy. We don’t know yet.

But you’re right. Current management seems very adept at acquiring pro talent. Home run after home run. But sucks at the college draft.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 10:57:34 AM   
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Great take here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0rKat9aH18
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 11:14:44 AM   
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Even JJM is a bum. Not taking the manly surgery and being available this year.


Tore meniscus? 2 choices out 4 weeks with a chance of it getting worse or full year. Doctor decided that during the surgery of severity.


I doubt the decision was made on the fly. Everyone chose to go the safe route so there was a small chance the knee didn’t hurt as much in old age.

Meniscus tears are nothing to screw around with. I'm sure the Vikings were just as much behind the decision as JJM. Try to just rehab and damage it worse and you are looking at pain and loss of mobility now, not when he is older. And the chance isn't small.


Yup. Meniscus tears are much worse than ACLs. They have a shorter recovery, but can have much more long-lasting impact - especially if you opt for the quicker repair.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 11:18:24 AM   
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Vikings offseason questions (in order):

+ Does Flores stay?
+ New contracts for KOC/KAM?
+Is McCarthy ready?
+Should Darnold move on?
+When is Darrisaw back?
+How to improve interior OL?
+Does A. Jones have more left?
+Is D. Turner an impact player?
+ H. Smith retiring?
+Will any of top 3 CBs return?
+Bynum?
+How to use 3/4 draft picks?

What else?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 11:25:56 AM   
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Free Agents the Vikings should target:

Trey Smith - G
DJ Reed - CB
Talanoa Hufanga - S
Charvarius Ward - CB
Donte Jackson - CB
Rasul Douglas - CB
Justin Simmons - S
Teven Jenkins - G
B.J. Hill - DT

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 11:26:14 AM   
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Kevin Seifert
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Vikings offseason questions (in order):

+ Does Flores stay?
+ New contracts for KOC/KAM?
+Is McCarthy ready?
+Should Darnold move on?
+When is Darrisaw back?
+How to improve interior OL?
+Does A. Jones have more left?
+Is D. Turner an impact player?
+ H. Smith retiring?
+Will any of top 3 CBs return?
+Bynum?
+How to use 3/4 draft picks?

What else?

Lots of questions to answer. One thing for sure we gotta draft better. Our drafts have been absolutely terrible.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 11:28:56 AM   
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Vikings offseason questions (in order):

+ Does Flores stay? Honestly, I didn't think it was great he was answering any questions before the Rams game about this. I suspect he want a HC job badly, I'd condider giving him big $ to stay. The D is built around his system
+ New contracts for KOC/KAM? I'd prefer 1 year extensions for both, especially KAM, drafts a disaster
+Is McCarthy ready?
+Should Darnold move on? $10 mil again or bye.
+When is Darrisaw back? great question, I've heard people suggest Cam to G. At 6-6? Doesn't seem practical. But do you sign him for insurance? He probably sees himself as a starter.
+How to improve interior OL? Well, has to be FA, or trade back out of first round, use a couple 2nd rounders, could be some good value there.
+Does A. Jones have more left? Akers/Chandler, find another vet to bring in.
+Is D. Turner an impact player? Great question But if Gink, Greenard are studs in their prime, where exactly does he fit?
+ H. Smith retiring? Think it's about time. We need speed in the seondary.
+Will any of top 3 CBs return? I'd prioritize Murphy of our vets, Griffin was solid
+Bynum? No. I understand he's popular, great personality, but more flash than substance.
+How to use 3/4 draft picks?

What else?


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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 11:36:03 AM   
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So 2 playoff games in a row where our superstar disappears in the 2nd half. I'm not to optimistic about that signing. Locked down by no name defenders.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 11:36:11 AM   
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So last night was a debacle.

The only reason we weren't down 14-0 is a penalty on them. Defense started off really poorly and didn't recover soon enough or even enough. Torched us.

Sam Darnold, How do I put this so it is clear....HE SUCKED DONKEY NUTS

Some can be blamed on playcalling but he was really inaccurate. Frequently way in front of or behind the reciever...even the TD to Hockenson, Hock had to reach back to catch it.

That of course is when he actually threw the ball and didn't just hold onto it until he was sacked.

That's not to say the offensive line was doing a good job. That pocket was collapsing almost instantaneously. Darnold did not handle pressure well. I really think he started hearing footsteps.

Before I advocated for franchising him and trading him for some draft capital. ****stick and Aikmann correctly pointed out that in the last two weeks, Darnold has cost himself A LOT OF MONEY. Nowhere near the target most throws. It was terrible.

To put it succinctly...Despite winning 14 games this year, they Vikings did NOT look like they belonged in the playoffs... Outcoached, Outplayed, Outclassed.

Oh and one more thing...between the NFL, MLB, NHL and NBA, the oldest franchise never to have won the championship of its league? Minnesota Vikings.



And some people wondered why I was cynical about our success.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 11:40:19 AM   
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We’re not the oldest though.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 11:40:53 AM   
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So last night was a debacle.

The only reason we weren't down 14-0 is a penalty on them. Defense started off really poorly and didn't recover soon enough or even enough. Torched us.

Sam Darnold, How do I put this so it is clear....HE SUCKED DONKEY NUTS

Some can be blamed on playcalling but he was really inaccurate. Frequently way in front of or behind the reciever...even the TD to Hockenson, Hock had to reach back to catch it.

That of course is when he actually threw the ball and didn't just hold onto it until he was sacked.

That's not to say the offensive line was doing a good job. That pocket was collapsing almost instantaneously. Darnold did not handle pressure well. I really think he started hearing footsteps.

Before I advocated for franchising him and trading him for some draft capital. ****stick and Aikmann correctly pointed out that in the last two weeks, Darnold has cost himself A LOT OF MONEY. Nowhere near the target most throws. It was terrible.

Oh and one more thing...between the NFL, MLB, NHL and NBA, the oldest franchise never to have won the championship of its league? Minnesota Vikings.

And some people wondered why I was cynical about our success.

I hope we can put to bed the nonsense of it being the fans fault. "We're not positive enough". This franchise deserves the scrutiny it gets.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 11:42:30 AM   
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Browns. Cardinals. Lions.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 12:04:04 PM   
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Great take here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0rKat9aH18


That's a must watch clip.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 12:10:46 PM   
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Browns. Cardinals. Lions.



Browns Cardinal and Lions have all won NFL Championships before the Superbowl era.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 12:17:52 PM   
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Great take here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0rKat9aH18


That's a must watch clip.


We saw the full Darnold experience, that's for sure.

We spent many weeks seeing why he was considered a unanimous top 5 pick, the arm talent.

But we also say why 3 different organizations just didn't think he was they guy to lead them into the future.

Just don't think I"ve ever seen such a drastic shift in performance from the QB after 17 weeks or so of really high quality play
Granted there were elements of stinkers such as vs Jax.

Just really elite play to almost incompetence, like he completely saw how to see the feel
That one sack last night on a blitz, there was no one within 20 yards of Hockensen.
Stafford woudl have eaten that alive.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 12:19:12 PM   
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Browns. Cardinals. Lions.



Browns Cardinal and Lions have all won NFL Championships before the Superbowl era.


Yes
Browns 64.

As the Chicago Cardinals won their only two NFL Championships in 1925 and 1947. The Lions play in the National Football Conference (NFC) of the National Football League (NFL) and have won four NFL championships (1935, 1952, 1953, and 1957).

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 12:21:02 PM   
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Great take here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0rKat9aH18


That's a must watch clip.

Very good clip! And I'll add when the guy making the most money on offense quits in the 2nd quarter, that doesn't bode well for the immediate future.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 12:37:48 PM   
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Great take here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0rKat9aH18


That's a must watch clip.


Its a very reasoned take.

And KOC's presser sure sounded like "We want to thank Sam for a great year and exceeding expectations, but its time to move on..."

< Message edited by David Levine -- 1/14/2025 12:42:45 PM >
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 12:44:53 PM   
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QB. JJM. Darnold won't be back.

What's left of the 2020-2023 drafts:
2020 - Jefferson, Brandel, Metellus
2021 - Darrisaw, Patrick Jones, Bynum
2022 - Chandler
2023 - Addison, Blackmon
2024 - TBD

A pair of good WRs, backup OL, gadget DB, LT returning from injury, backup DE/Edge, safety, backup to the backup RB, returning injured CB.
As far as starters: WR, WR, LT (when recovered from injury), S (if he is resigned), quasi-starting gadget DB

It's really, really bad.

For 2024, it's about JJM. They also used almost an entire draft of future picks to create a pick then move up to draft Turner. He has some amazing athleticism but can't get playing time. So be bold and trade Turner, Van Ginkle, or Greenard so that talent isn't rotting on the bench. 2024 also produced a kicker. And some depth that of course might pan out but chances are they will be off the team in 2-3 years.

Bottomline: I don't think they can free agency their way out of the draft mess.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 12:46:20 PM   
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Great take here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0rKat9aH18


That's a must watch clip.


We saw the full Darnold experience, that's for sure.

We spent many weeks seeing why he was considered a unanimous top 5 pick, the arm talent.

But we also say why 3 different organizations just didn't think he was they guy to lead them into the future.

Just don't think I"ve ever seen such a drastic shift in performance from the QB after 17 weeks or so of really high quality play
Granted there were elements of stinkers such as vs Jax.

Just really elite play to almost incompetence, like he completely saw how to see the feel
That one sack last night on a blitz, there was no one within 20 yards of Hockensen.
Stafford woudl have eaten that alive.


Darnold is simply the anti-IT
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 12:52:51 PM   
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Minnesota has pick 24 in the draft. That and two 5ths.

Can a team be truly competitive in say 2026-2027 when they basically didn't have a draft in 2022 and 2025?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 12:56:21 PM   
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Minnesota has pick 24 in the draft. That and two 5ths.

Can a team be truly competitive in say 2026-2027 when they basically didn't have a draft in 2022 and 2025?

It's gonna be tough. Especially with all the needs and an unproven qb. Add to that our poor drafting to begin with. Is Turner not that good? Or is he just behind better guys? Either way it seems like a missed opportunity. Could have stood pat and picked up more guys.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 1:02:08 PM   
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QB. JJM. Darnold won't be back.

What's left of the 2020-2023 drafts:
2020 - Jefferson, Brandel, Metellus
2021 - Darrisaw, Patrick Jones, Bynum
2022 - Chandler
2023 - Addison, Blackmon
2024 - TBD

A pair of good WRs, backup OL, gadget DB, LT returning from injury, backup DE/Edge, safety, backup to the backup RB, returning injured CB.
As far as starters: WR, WR, LT (when recovered from injury), S (if he is resigned), quasi-starting gadget DB

It's really, really bad.

For 2024, it's about JJM. They also used almost an entire draft of future picks to create a pick then move up to draft Turner. He has some amazing athleticism but can't get playing time. So be bold and trade Turner, Van Ginkle, or Greenard so that talent isn't rotting on the bench. 2024 also produced a kicker. And some depth that of course might pan out but chances are they will be off the team in 2-3 years.

Bottomline: I don't think they can free agency their way out of the draft mess.


This is it for 2025, hard to believe we have so few draft picks. I'd guess we'll look at trading out of late in the 1st round, to pick up an extra pick or 2, but who the hell knows.

Round 1 - 1 pick
Round 5 - 2 picks
1 3rd round compensatory picks
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/14/2025 1:02:43 PM   
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Doogie thinks the Franchise Tag is still in play for a trade.

But he thinks that by March 5th we'll know what his trade market looks like.

He also thinks Sam will still get a Geno Smith or Baker Mayfield deal. And that we shouldn't expect more than a late Day 2 pick. Maybe even a 4th.
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