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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/15/2025 10:31:18 AM

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It's amazing how you guys that have never played the game at a high level can make it out to be so easy.

Is Sam Darnold an elite quarterback? Not on a Mahomes level, no. But he's a darned good quarterback that had a couple of bad games while leading a team with one of the worst offensive lines in football to a 14-3 record. I'd like to see what he can do with a good offensive line.

Again, everything you say about Darnold can be said about Cousins in 2022. Yet, in 2022, you said those things didn't matter and Cousins was one of the10 worst quarterbacks in the NFL.

The biggest difference between Cousins 2022 and Darnold in 2024 is that Darnold had a better team around him. The other is Cousins put more points on the board in one failed playoff game than Darnold did in his back to back choke jobs combined.

I have no interest in the Vikings shelling out another $100M to prove Darnold is Cousins 2.0.

Lets see what you are saying 12 months from now.

Again, I have thoroughly explained my beefs with Cousins and why I couldn't stand him. The guy wasn't a leader, and at the time an aging quarterback. It's not all about the easy statistics you can find with a Google search.

I've also explained why I have concerns over McCarthy. So far, not one person has given me a reason to believe he is a good alternative, outside of the fact that he is on a rookie contract and comes at a cheaper price. If that's the case, go get Desmond Ridder or Will Levis. They're on rookie contracts as well. I suspect you wouldn't be interested in either of them, and for good reason.

Since we're cherry picking, so are Jayden Daniels, Stroud, and Maye.

Try getting any of those guys for under $25-million right now. Maybe you get Maye. And by the way, Stroud took major steps backwards this season (20 TD's, 12 INT's, 63%). Both Darnold and Stroud had terrible offensive lines and Darnold did much more with what he had.

If McCarthy turns out to be Jayden Daniels I'll be right here to tell you I was wrong.

< Message edited by Brad H -- 2/15/2025 10:33:35 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/15/2025 10:37:23 AM

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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It's amazing how you guys that have never played the game at a high level can make it out to be so easy.

Just curious, did you ever play the game at a high level? Have you ever played any sport at a high level?

It's not about me. I wasn't the one criticizing a guy that just went 14-3 playing with one of the worst offensive lines in the league.

All you do is make it about you.

You were the one criticizing the guy that went 13-4 with one of the worst offensive lines in the league.

Then hit reverse, bent over backwards, and started doing flips, defending your boy from the same exact criticisms you were spewing months before.

Just once I'd like to read something from you thats genuinely Vikings oriented, not Brad oriented.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/15/2025 10:40:05 AM

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Proposed Home Schedule:

Chicago Bears
Detroit Lions
Green Bay Packers
Philadelphia Eagles
Washington Commanders
Baltimore Ravens
Cincinnati Bengals
Atlanta Falcons

Proposed Away Schedule:

Chicago Bears
Detroit Lions
Green Bay Packers
Dallas Cowboys
New York Giants
Pittsburgh Steelers
Cleveland Browns
Seattle Seahawks
Los Angeles Chargers

Good luck to our rookie quarterback coming off a knee injury with zero lifetime completions. He'll be facing 7-8 of the elite defenses in the league.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/15/2025 10:43:30 AM

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ORIGINAL: Brad H
It's amazing how you guys that have never played the game at a high level can make it out to be so easy.

Just curious, did you ever play the game at a high level? Have you ever played any sport at a high level?

It's not about me. I wasn't the one criticizing a guy that just went 14-3 playing with one of the worst offensive lines in the league.

All you do is make it about you.

You were the one criticizing the guy that went 13-4 with one of the worst offensive lines in the league.

Then hit reverse, bent over backwards, and started doing flips, defending your boy from the same exact criticisms you were spewing months before.

Just once I'd like to read something from you thats genuinely Vikings oriented, not Brad oriented.

I told you exactly what I didn't like about Cousins. It never had anything to do with me. You guys manufacture that stuff all on your own.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/15/2025 11:32:44 AM

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Brad, I have a feeling you will be pleasantly surprised with JJ McCarthy, if he is the starter from day 1.

Sam Darnold, Daniel Jones, or even someone else might end up being the starter on day 1.

If it's McCarthy, I can't imagine him getting 14 wins with an even tougher schedule, I think there is a decent chance at 10 wins, with still a lot of roster unknowns.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/15/2025 12:02:17 PM

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Brad H
It's amazing how you guys that have never played the game at a high level can make it out to be so easy.

Is Sam Darnold an elite quarterback? Not on a Mahomes level, no. But he's a darned good quarterback that had a couple of bad games while leading a team with one of the worst offensive lines in football to a 14-3 record. I'd like to see what he can do with a good offensive line.

Again, everything you say about Darnold can be said about Cousins in 2022. Yet, in 2022, you said those things didn't matter and Cousins was one of the10 worst quarterbacks in the NFL.

The biggest difference between Cousins 2022 and Darnold in 2024 is that Darnold had a better team around him. The other is Cousins put more points on the board in one failed playoff game than Darnold did in his back to back choke jobs combined.

I have no interest in the Vikings shelling out another $100M to prove Darnold is Cousins 2.0.

Lets see what you are saying 12 months from now.

Again, I have thoroughly explained my beefs with Cousins and why I couldn't stand him. The guy wasn't a leader, and at the time an aging quarterback. It's not all about the easy statistics you can find with a Google search.

You hated him from day 1 when he was 30 years old. That's not an aging quarterback. And once again, you dismiss statistics that favor Cousins while pointing at those very same statistics in support of Darnold. You just can't bring yourself to admit that you are applying a double standard.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/15/2025 2:51:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Brad H
It's amazing how you guys that have never played the game at a high level can make it out to be so easy.

Is Sam Darnold an elite quarterback? Not on a Mahomes level, no. But he's a darned good quarterback that had a couple of bad games while leading a team with one of the worst offensive lines in football to a 14-3 record. I'd like to see what he can do with a good offensive line.

Again, everything you say about Darnold can be said about Cousins in 2022. Yet, in 2022, you said those things didn't matter and Cousins was one of the10 worst quarterbacks in the NFL.

The biggest difference between Cousins 2022 and Darnold in 2024 is that Darnold had a better team around him. The other is Cousins put more points on the board in one failed playoff game than Darnold did in his back to back choke jobs combined.

I have no interest in the Vikings shelling out another $100M to prove Darnold is Cousins 2.0.

Lets see what you are saying 12 months from now.

Again, I have thoroughly explained my beefs with Cousins and why I couldn't stand him. The guy wasn't a leader, and at the time an aging quarterback. It's not all about the easy statistics you can find with a Google search.

I've also explained why I have concerns over McCarthy. So far, not one person has given me a reason to believe he is a good alternative, outside of the fact that he is on a rookie contract and comes at a cheaper price. If that's the case, go get Desmond Ridder or Will Levis. They're on rookie contracts as well. I suspect you wouldn't be interested in either of them, and for good reason.

Since we're cherry picking, so are Jayden Daniels, Stroud, and Maye.

Try getting any of those guys for under $25-million right now. Maybe you get Maye. And by the way, Stroud took major steps backwards this season (20 TD's, 12 INT's, 63%). Both Darnold and Stroud had terrible offensive lines and Darnold did much more with what he had.

If McCarthy turns out to be Jayden Daniels I'll be right here to tell you I was wrong.

All you do is cherry pick stats (and are often wrong). You forgot to mention that Stroud lost his top two receivers to injury. How does Darnold do without JJ and Addison?

You want to see Darnold with an improved oline? Forget any kind of defense in that scenario. Darnold would be lucky to win 7-9 games.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/15/2025 3:21:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Brad H
It's amazing how you guys that have never played the game at a high level can make it out to be so easy.

Is Sam Darnold an elite quarterback? Not on a Mahomes level, no. But he's a darned good quarterback that had a couple of bad games while leading a team with one of the worst offensive lines in football to a 14-3 record. I'd like to see what he can do with a good offensive line.

Again, everything you say about Darnold can be said about Cousins in 2022. Yet, in 2022, you said those things didn't matter and Cousins was one of the10 worst quarterbacks in the NFL.

The biggest difference between Cousins 2022 and Darnold in 2024 is that Darnold had a better team around him. The other is Cousins put more points on the board in one failed playoff game than Darnold did in his back to back choke jobs combined.

I have no interest in the Vikings shelling out another $100M to prove Darnold is Cousins 2.0.

Lets see what you are saying 12 months from now.

Again, I have thoroughly explained my beefs with Cousins and why I couldn't stand him. The guy wasn't a leader, and at the time an aging quarterback. It's not all about the easy statistics you can find with a Google search.

I've also explained why I have concerns over McCarthy. So far, not one person has given me a reason to believe he is a good alternative, outside of the fact that he is on a rookie contract and comes at a cheaper price. If that's the case, go get Desmond Ridder or Will Levis. They're on rookie contracts as well. I suspect you wouldn't be interested in either of them, and for good reason.

Since we're cherry picking, so are Jayden Daniels, Stroud, and Maye.

Try getting any of those guys for under $25-million right now. Maybe you get Maye. And by the way, Stroud took major steps backwards this season (20 TD's, 12 INT's, 63%). Both Darnold and Stroud had terrible offensive lines and Darnold did much more with what he had.

If McCarthy turns out to be Jayden Daniels I'll be right here to tell you I was wrong.

All you do is cherry pick stats (and are often wrong). You forgot to mention that Stroud lost his top two receivers to injury. How does Darnold do without JJ and Addison?

You want to see Darnold with an improved oline? Forget any kind of defense in that scenario. Darnold would be lucky to win 7-9 games.

To his credit he mentioned a monetary figure, which is a first. Granted, "salary cap" wasn't part of it so it's unclear if he knows there is a salary cap. Nonetheless, there seems to be a realization that players somehow get paid.

And the point was there are GOOD QBs on rookie contracts besides his two cherry-picked bad ones.

Regarding his "And by the way" stats for Stroud, he either didn't know about Houston's two top WRs being injured (likely because he doesn't follow football) or he knew but decided not to say anything.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/15/2025 3:32:38 PM

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Proposed Home Schedule:

Chicago Bears
Detroit Lions
Green Bay Packers
Philadelphia Eagles
Washington Commanders
Baltimore Ravens
Cincinnati Bengals
Atlanta Falcons

Proposed Away Schedule:

Chicago Bears
Detroit Lions
Green Bay Packers
Dallas Cowboys
New York Giants
Pittsburgh Steelers
Cleveland Browns
Seattle Seahawks
Los Angeles Chargers

Good luck to our rookie quarterback coming off a knee injury with zero lifetime completions. He'll be facing 7-8 of the elite defenses in the league.

Yes, good luck to him.

And regardless of the schedule, most fans will or should expect a drop-off in QB play primarily because he is a rookie. So don't go thinking you've cornered the market on that (likely) outcome. Whether he plays great, flops, or is somewhere in-between remains to be seen. But he hasn't been ridiculed nationally for choking.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/15/2025 9:31:26 PM

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It's amazing how you guys that have never played the game at a high level can make it out to be so easy.

Just curious, did you ever play the game at a high level? Have you ever played any sport at a high level?

It's not about me. I wasn't the one criticizing a guy that just went 14-3 playing with one of the worst offensive lines in the league.

All you do is make it about you.

You were the one criticizing the guy that went 13-4 with one of the worst offensive lines in the league.

Then hit reverse, bent over backwards, and started doing flips, defending your boy from the same exact criticisms you were spewing months before.

Just once I'd like to read something from you thats genuinely Vikings oriented, not Brad oriented.

I told you exactly what I didn't like about Cousins. It never had anything to do with me. You guys manufacture that stuff all on your own.

You guys, you guys, always you guys … you always make it about ‘you guys’ vs you.

As if the board isn’t all over the place with differing opinions and arguments.

You’re the only one manufacturing arguments to play devil’s advocate, everybody else in here is posting as fans of the team.

Is this the only fan base you doink your flimsy darts off of, or are there others?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/15/2025 11:21:58 PM

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Logic tells me if McCarthy starts the season at QB, the Vikings will be in the 6-10 win range, being closer to 6 or 7 wins.

My gut tells me McCarthy will rise to the occasion, have a similar season to Jayden Daniels, but less running, 12 wins, and will play in the NFC Championship game.

What McCarthy might have over Daniels, is more weapons on offense, a better Brian Flore's defense because the studs are more used to it, and he gets a couple more pieces he didn't have last year, either from the draft, free agency, maybe even a trade.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/16/2025 7:07:42 AM

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ORIGINAL: Brad H
It's amazing how you guys that have never played the game at a high level can make it out to be so easy.

Just curious, did you ever play the game at a high level? Have you ever played any sport at a high level?

It's not about me. I wasn't the one criticizing a guy that just went 14-3 playing with one of the worst offensive lines in the league.

All you do is make it about you.

You were the one criticizing the guy that went 13-4 with one of the worst offensive lines in the league.

Then hit reverse, bent over backwards, and started doing flips, defending your boy from the same exact criticisms you were spewing months before.

Just once I'd like to read something from you thats genuinely Vikings oriented, not Brad oriented.

I told you exactly what I didn't like about Cousins. It never had anything to do with me. You guys manufacture that stuff all on your own.

You guys, you guys, always you guys … you always make it about ‘you guys’ vs you.

As if the board isn’t all over the place with differing opinions and arguments.

You’re the only one manufacturing arguments to play devil’s advocate, everybody else in here is posting as fans of the team.

Is this the only fan base you doink your flimsy darts off of, or are there others?

Nobody really is that down on Sam. He had a good regular season just like Case Keenum a few years back. Journeyman on his 4th already that came in and had his best regular season ever. Just not worth the big $$$$. Same as Case.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2025 8:03:56 AM

Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Proposed Home Schedule:

Chicago Bears
Detroit Lions
Green Bay Packers
Philadelphia Eagles
Washington Commanders
Baltimore Ravens
Cincinnati Bengals
Atlanta Falcons

Proposed Away Schedule:

Chicago Bears
Detroit Lions
Green Bay Packers
Dallas Cowboys
New York Giants
Pittsburgh Steelers
Cleveland Browns
Seattle Seahawks
Los Angeles Chargers

Good luck to our rookie quarterback coming off a knee injury with zero lifetime completions. He'll be facing 7-8 of the elite defenses in the league.

Yes, good luck to him.

And regardless of the schedule, most fans will or should expect a drop-off in QB play primarily because he is a rookie. So don't go thinking you've cornered the market on that (likely) outcome. Whether he plays great, flops, or is somewhere in-between remains to be seen. But he hasn't been ridiculed nationally for choking.

Again, I don't think he choked. And BTW, those same critics that were ridiculing him for choking were calling him the potential MVP two weeks earlier.

I'll tell you who did choke, though. Their coach choked repeatedly over the final two games.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2025 8:58:51 AM

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Proposed Home Schedule:

Chicago Bears
Detroit Lions
Green Bay Packers
Philadelphia Eagles
Washington Commanders
Baltimore Ravens
Cincinnati Bengals
Atlanta Falcons

Proposed Away Schedule:

Chicago Bears
Detroit Lions
Green Bay Packers
Dallas Cowboys
New York Giants
Pittsburgh Steelers
Cleveland Browns
Seattle Seahawks
Los Angeles Chargers

Good luck to our rookie quarterback coming off a knee injury with zero lifetime completions. He'll be facing 7-8 of the elite defenses in the league.

Yes, good luck to him.

And regardless of the schedule, most fans will or should expect a drop-off in QB play primarily because he is a rookie. So don't go thinking you've cornered the market on that (likely) outcome. Whether he plays great, flops, or is somewhere in-between remains to be seen. But he hasn't been ridiculed nationally for choking.

Again, I don't think he choked. And BTW, those same critics that were ridiculing him for choking were calling him the potential MVP two weeks earlier.

I'll tell you who did choke, though. Their coach choked repeatedly over the final two games.

I guess de nial ain't just a river in Egypt. Darnold completely choked in those last two games. To say otherwise is just complete and total denial. By the second half of the playoff game, he was in a full blown panic.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2025 9:15:35 AM

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Choke or no Choke....he wasn't getting a big contract w/o high performance those last 2 games.

He is a journeyman QB 4th team in his 7 years......the situation was the same as it was with Case Keenum. Case didn't do well in the playoff game after winning against NO in a divisional playoff game.

Also he wasn't guaranteed a the starting job out of training camp as rumor was it was neck and neck.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2025 9:30:24 AM

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Proposed Home Schedule:

Chicago Bears
Detroit Lions
Green Bay Packers
Philadelphia Eagles
Washington Commanders
Baltimore Ravens
Cincinnati Bengals
Atlanta Falcons

Proposed Away Schedule:

Chicago Bears
Detroit Lions
Green Bay Packers
Dallas Cowboys
New York Giants
Pittsburgh Steelers
Cleveland Browns
Seattle Seahawks
Los Angeles Chargers

Good luck to our rookie quarterback coming off a knee injury with zero lifetime completions. He'll be facing 7-8 of the elite defenses in the league.

Yes, good luck to him.

And regardless of the schedule, most fans will or should expect a drop-off in QB play primarily because he is a rookie. So don't go thinking you've cornered the market on that (likely) outcome. Whether he plays great, flops, or is somewhere in-between remains to be seen. But he hasn't been ridiculed nationally for choking.

Again, I don't think he choked. And BTW, those same critics that were ridiculing him for choking were calling him the potential MVP two weeks earlier.

I'll tell you who did choke, though. Their coach choked repeatedly over the final two games.

I guess de nial ain't just a river in Egypt. Darnold completely choked in those last two games. To say otherwise is just complete and total denial. By the second half of the playoff game, he was in a full blown panic.

Did Patrick Mahomes choke in the Super Bowl? I don't think so. He got his ass kicked because the Eagles defensive line was far superior to the Chiefs offensive line. The Chiefs had 23 yards at the half. Mahomes had a 10.7 passer rating in the first half. I don't see his fan base calling him a choker, and that's about as bad of a half as a quarterback has ever had in a pressure situation.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2025 9:44:01 AM

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No, he came back and threw 3 TD passes. Mahomes also has a pretty storied history of rising to the occasion. Of course the Chiefs fans didn't call him a chocker....HE'S WON THREE SUPERBOWLS.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2025 10:14:21 AM

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Brad, just answer this. Do YOU think that SD (at a cap hit of 40+ million) can win the SB with this Vikings team given the FA's we need to bring in to get better? To a large extent I do agree about KOC. That said, he had a much bigger choke job against Det, IMO. He missed a bunch of easy throws early and that started his meltdown. LA just over ran out OLine.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2025 10:16:04 AM

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No, he came back and threw 3 TD passes. Mahomes also has a pretty storied history of rising to the occasion. Of course the Chiefs fans didn't call him a chocker....HE'S WON THREE SUPERBOWLS.

His coaching staff made adjustments and the Eagles played prevent defense to keep the clock running. His first half was as bad of a half as anyone has ever played in the Super Bowl.

And yes, he has won three Super Bowls. Good for him. BTW, there is very few others in the league right now that have won any. Are you going to call them out for being chokers? Is Josh Allen a choker? He's never won a Super Bowl. Not only has he never won a Super Bowl, he's never been to one. So next time he has a bad game I'd like to see you calling him a choker.

If the barometer is winning a Super Bowl, only Mahomes, Stafford and Hurts get a free pass. Everyone else is a choker according to the rules of Sweens.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2025 10:27:12 AM

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Brad, just answer this. Do YOU think that SD (at a cap hit of 40+ million) can win the SB with this Vikings team given the FA's we need to bring in to get better? To a large extent I do agree about KOC. That said, he had a much bigger choke job against Det, IMO. He missed a bunch of easy throws early and that started his meltdown. LA just over ran out OLine.

The money has nothing to do with whether or not Darnold has what it takes to win a Super Bowl. The guy won 14 games with one of the worst offensive lines in football. He did it by extending plays and moving the chains as a result. Then, suddenly, when a defense took away his ability to extend plays the fans called him a choker. The previous quarterback continuously checked down on big plays and gave up on games. I'd rather have the guy trying to make a play to win a game.

Lets not act like Detroit and Los Angeles had nothing to do with the games. Their staffs completely outcoached and outplayed our offensive coordinator. Detroit exposed us and the Rams went with the same formula. O'Connell never made an adjustment to put his guy in a position to win.

Sam Darnold could have done more. Nobody will argue with that. But the guy proved throughout the year to be very capable of winning games. JJ McCarthy has proven nothing. Zip, zero nada.

I'm not sure what it would take to sign Darnold. You throw out $40-million. I'm not so sure about that number.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2025 10:31:53 AM

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The same applies to Case as Sam.

We can't overpay for a journey man QB. If you don't want to compare him to Kirk; compare him to Case. Case even played well in a division playoff win, we won the division, and we didn't keep him.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2025 10:35:09 AM

Brad H

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The same applies to Case as Sam.

We can't overpay for a journey man QB. If you don't want to compare him to Kirk; compare him to Case. Case even played well in a division playoff win, we won the division, and we didn't keep him.

You keep throwing around the comparison of Case and Sam. Just because they played for the same organization doesn't mean they are the same guy. That's a lazy man's argument. Different quarterbacks with different skillsets and different players and coaching staffs around them. It's a stupid argument that doesn't warrant any more of my time.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2025 10:39:04 AM

Phil Riewer

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The same applies to Case as Sam.

We can't overpay for a journey man QB. If you don't want to compare him to Kirk; compare him to Case. Case even played well in a division playoff win, we won the division, and we didn't keep him.

You keep throwing around the comparison of Case and Sam. Just because they played for the same organization doesn't mean they are the same guy. That's a lazy man's argument. Different quarterbacks with different skillsets and different players and coaching staffs around them. It's a stupid argument that doesn't warrant any of my time.

Actually very similar. Same situation and not a great oline. Case actually led a playoff win. He didn't want to sign for non starter money and signed somewhere else.

The best situation for Sam is not necessarily the best situation for the Vikings.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2025 10:39:20 AM

Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Proposed Home Schedule:

Chicago Bears
Detroit Lions
Green Bay Packers
Philadelphia Eagles
Washington Commanders
Baltimore Ravens
Cincinnati Bengals
Atlanta Falcons

Proposed Away Schedule:

Chicago Bears
Detroit Lions
Green Bay Packers
Dallas Cowboys
New York Giants
Pittsburgh Steelers
Cleveland Browns
Seattle Seahawks
Los Angeles Chargers

Good luck to our rookie quarterback coming off a knee injury with zero lifetime completions. He'll be facing 7-8 of the elite defenses in the league.

Yes, good luck to him.

And regardless of the schedule, most fans will or should expect a drop-off in QB play primarily because he is a rookie. So don't go thinking you've cornered the market on that (likely) outcome. Whether he plays great, flops, or is somewhere in-between remains to be seen. But he hasn't been ridiculed nationally for choking.

Again, I don't think he choked. And BTW, those same critics that were ridiculing him for choking were calling him the potential MVP two weeks earlier.

I'll tell you who did choke, though. Their coach choked repeatedly over the final two games.

Any MVP talk just two weeks prior magnifies, not diminishes, how bad he choked.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/17/2025 10:40:38 AM

Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

Proposed Home Schedule:

Chicago Bears
Detroit Lions
Green Bay Packers
Philadelphia Eagles
Washington Commanders
Baltimore Ravens
Cincinnati Bengals
Atlanta Falcons

Proposed Away Schedule:

Chicago Bears
Detroit Lions
Green Bay Packers
Dallas Cowboys
New York Giants
Pittsburgh Steelers
Cleveland Browns
Seattle Seahawks
Los Angeles Chargers

Good luck to our rookie quarterback coming off a knee injury with zero lifetime completions. He'll be facing 7-8 of the elite defenses in the league.

Yes, good luck to him.

And regardless of the schedule, most fans will or should expect a drop-off in QB play primarily because he is a rookie. So don't go thinking you've cornered the market on that (likely) outcome. Whether he plays great, flops, or is somewhere in-between remains to be seen. But he hasn't been ridiculed nationally for choking.

Again, I don't think he choked. And BTW, those same critics that were ridiculing him for choking were calling him the potential MVP two weeks earlier.

I'll tell you who did choke, though. Their coach choked repeatedly over the final two games.

Any MVP talk just two weeks prior magnifies, not diminishes, how bad he choked.

If he didn't choke then we don't want to resign him either......saying he choked gives him more credit actually (that he is talented enough to sign).

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