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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/13/2025 8:55:25 AM

Tom Sykes

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Yet, nobody has told me what JJ McCarthy has to offer over a guy that just won 14 games despite getting sacked 48 times.

Yes, we have. Cheap rookie contract so that money can be spread out to make the team better overall.

Plus a lot of those sacks were due to holding the ball too long.

If Sam wants a 10-12 Million dollar contract again; they will be more than happy to have him back at that amount.

When we had Cousins you complained about him being a check-down quarterback. With Darnold, you complain about him holding the ball too long.

The latter of the two was trying to make plays to help the team win. The former was padding his completion and yardage stats for his future contract.

Both are fatal flaws.

But those aren’t even their their most extra fatal flaws … those meet perfectly in the middle where the little spectrum indicator points to ‘choking dog.’

I know, your flimsy argument this morning has moved to ‘you silly vikings fans’ not knowing whats worse, throw short or hold the ball too long …

make up your minds about it!

Both players are flawed, gruesomely expensive, and kibble for average not even good defenses in the playoffs.

No thanks.

We have strategized our resources for the last 3+ years, that includes developing a young prospect, and improving the roster into the next few years without being saddled by Cousins/Darnold money.

Since every path is full of risk - time to move onto the path you’ve been carefully building towards.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/13/2025 9:03:45 AM

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The bottom line is we don't know if McCarthy can be the guy. We do know that Sam isn't the guy. It's flat out foolish to spend $40M on someone we know ain't the guy.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/13/2025 9:21:18 AM

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The bottom line is we don't know if McCarthy can be the guy. We do know that Sam isn't the guy. It's flat out foolish to spend $40M on someone we know ain't the guy.

There was a lot of people in Philly saying the same thing about Jalen Hurts. I'm not saying Darnold is Hurts by any means, but having a great offensive line can go a long ways towards making a quarterback look great. The offensive coordinator also did Darnold no favors with his lack of adjustments down the stretch. He kept running the same shit and expecting different results.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/13/2025 9:23:47 AM

Bill Johanesen

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Q&A Time

Q. With basically the same schemes, players, playcalling, philosophy, strategy, etc throughout the season, what external factor was different about the last two games?
A. HFA and a bye were at stake, followed by a lose and go home game. Basically they were pressure games.

Q. So internally, if most everything was the same what key variable changed?
A. The QB, Sam Darnold, put up a choking job for the ages.

Q. How do you know this?
A. Anyone with eyes and knows football saw it unfold. Fans nationwide saw it and made fun of it. The media was all over it.

Q. So what happens to that QB now?
A. Who knows and who cares. He'll wind up in some QB-starved city whose coaches think they can coach choking out of him. How wrong they are.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/13/2025 9:30:55 AM

Bill Johanesen

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The bottom line is we don't know if McCarthy can be the guy. We do know that Sam isn't the guy. It's flat out foolish to spend $40M on someone we know ain't the guy.

There was a lot of people in Philly saying the same thing about Jalen Hurts. I'm not saying Darnold is Hurts by any means, but having a great offensive line can go a long ways towards making a quarterback look great. The offensive coordinator also did Darnold no favors with his lack of adjustments down the stretch. He kept running the same shit and expecting different results.

First Mahomes and now Hurts. Who's next, Brady, Montana, and Manning?

Instead, you should peruse the never-was, choke types for more direct comparisons.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/13/2025 9:48:30 AM

Bill Johanesen

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If Darnold had played average or even a bit below average the whole Darnold saga might be on a different path. He'd be a priority signing even though he wasn't superman and his contract options would throw a wrench into the cap strategy but they'd make it work with a decade of void years.

Instead he choked his way out of Minnesota. Yeah that's not a fact but it's a foregone conclusion.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/13/2025 9:53:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

The bottom line is we don't know if McCarthy can be the guy. We do know that Sam isn't the guy. It's flat out foolish to spend $40M on someone we know ain't the guy.

There was a lot of people in Philly saying the same thing about Jalen Hurts. I'm not saying Darnold is Hurts by any means, but having a great offensive line can go a long ways towards making a quarterback look great.

Jalen Hurts?

The guy who made it to the Super Bowl at age 24? Led his team to 35 Points. 304 Passing yards on 71%. 1 TD, no INT. 70 Rushing yards, 3 TDs. 1 FUM.

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The offensive coordinator also did Darnold no favors with his lack of adjustments down the stretch. He kept running the same shit and expecting different results.

Was the coach supposed to throw the ball for Sam? I know you're going to ignore reality, but guys were wide-open all game long both days. And the quick throws were there to be made on every play, but Sam refused to throw them.

Sam got super rattled and just started trying to win the game with every throw.

< Message edited by David Levine -- 2/13/2025 9:55:36 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/13/2025 12:07:10 PM

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

The bottom line is we don't know if McCarthy can be the guy. We do know that Sam isn't the guy. It's flat out foolish to spend $40M on someone we know ain't the guy.

There was a lot of people in Philly saying the same thing about Jalen Hurts. I'm not saying Darnold is Hurts by any means, but having a great offensive line can go a long ways towards making a quarterback look great.

Jalen Hurts?

The guy who made it to the Super Bowl at age 24? Led his team to 35 Points. 304 Passing yards on 71%. 1 TD, no INT. 70 Rushing yards, 3 TDs. 1 FUM.

quote:

The offensive coordinator also did Darnold no favors with his lack of adjustments down the stretch. He kept running the same shit and expecting different results.

Was the coach supposed to throw the ball for Sam? I know you're going to ignore reality, but guys were wide-open all game long both days. And the quick throws were there to be made on every play, but Sam refused to throw them.

Sam got super rattled and just started trying to win the game with every throw.

They can run wide open all they want, it doesn't make much difference if you are on your back.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/13/2025 12:08:48 PM

David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

The bottom line is we don't know if McCarthy can be the guy. We do know that Sam isn't the guy. It's flat out foolish to spend $40M on someone we know ain't the guy.

There was a lot of people in Philly saying the same thing about Jalen Hurts. I'm not saying Darnold is Hurts by any means, but having a great offensive line can go a long ways towards making a quarterback look great.

Jalen Hurts?

The guy who made it to the Super Bowl at age 24? Led his team to 35 Points. 304 Passing yards on 71%. 1 TD, no INT. 70 Rushing yards, 3 TDs. 1 FUM.

quote:

The offensive coordinator also did Darnold no favors with his lack of adjustments down the stretch. He kept running the same shit and expecting different results.

Was the coach supposed to throw the ball for Sam? I know you're going to ignore reality, but guys were wide-open all game long both days. And the quick throws were there to be made on every play, but Sam refused to throw them.

Sam got super rattled and just started trying to win the game with every throw.

They can run wide open all they want, it doesn't make much difference if you are on your back.

He was on his back because he refused to throw the ball. He had ample time on most snaps.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/13/2025 12:11:14 PM

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

The bottom line is we don't know if McCarthy can be the guy. We do know that Sam isn't the guy. It's flat out foolish to spend $40M on someone we know ain't the guy.

There was a lot of people in Philly saying the same thing about Jalen Hurts. I'm not saying Darnold is Hurts by any means, but having a great offensive line can go a long ways towards making a quarterback look great.

Jalen Hurts?

The guy who made it to the Super Bowl at age 24? Led his team to 35 Points. 304 Passing yards on 71%. 1 TD, no INT. 70 Rushing yards, 3 TDs. 1 FUM.

quote:

The offensive coordinator also did Darnold no favors with his lack of adjustments down the stretch. He kept running the same shit and expecting different results.

Was the coach supposed to throw the ball for Sam? I know you're going to ignore reality, but guys were wide-open all game long both days. And the quick throws were there to be made on every play, but Sam refused to throw them.

Sam got super rattled and just started trying to win the game with every throw.

They can run wide open all they want, it doesn't make much difference if you are on your back.

That's the point. He wasn't on his back. He just didn't throw the ball. On one sack, he held the ball 7 seconds. Same crappy line he had all year. Threw under duress all year. What was different was the moment and it was too big for him.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/13/2025 4:50:28 PM

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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/43811534/nfl-minnesota-vikings-justin-jefferson-super-bowl-sam-darnold-jj-mccarthy

The headline is Can WR Justin Jefferson elevate Vikings to a Super Bowl?

LOL, when would that elevation be? Easter?

Some excerpts:

- More significant is the fact that Jefferson is headed toward playing with at least his fifth -- and possibly sixth -- different quarterback since the start of the 2023 season. He caught passes from Cousins, Joshua Dobbs, Nick Mullens, Jaren Hall and Darnold in 27 games during that period...

Poor JJ, even though that's a crap statement.

- But what if the roles are reversed in Minnesota? What if this receiver is so quarterback-friendly he could elevate the play around him to a championship level?

Oh do tell! Cause he doesn't have a playoff win. Or a playoff TD. He has a career 105 playoff yards.

"Get some digital content out there" personified.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/13/2025 4:53:38 PM

Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

The bottom line is we don't know if McCarthy can be the guy. We do know that Sam isn't the guy. It's flat out foolish to spend $40M on someone we know ain't the guy.

There was a lot of people in Philly saying the same thing about Jalen Hurts. I'm not saying Darnold is Hurts by any means, but having a great offensive line can go a long ways towards making a quarterback look great.

Jalen Hurts?

The guy who made it to the Super Bowl at age 24? Led his team to 35 Points. 304 Passing yards on 71%. 1 TD, no INT. 70 Rushing yards, 3 TDs. 1 FUM.

quote:

The offensive coordinator also did Darnold no favors with his lack of adjustments down the stretch. He kept running the same shit and expecting different results.

Was the coach supposed to throw the ball for Sam? I know you're going to ignore reality, but guys were wide-open all game long both days. And the quick throws were there to be made on every play, but Sam refused to throw them.

Sam got super rattled and just started trying to win the game with every throw.

They can run wide open all they want, it doesn't make much difference if you are on your back.

That's the point. He wasn't on his back. He just didn't throw the ball. On one sack, he held the ball 7 seconds. Same crappy line he had all year. Threw under duress all year. What was different was the moment and it was too big for him.

This has repeatedly been said to him. This has repeatedly been shown to him via videos. Darnold has his own set of Deer In The Headlights gifs and memes.

Lost cause.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/13/2025 5:12:35 PM

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

The bottom line is we don't know if McCarthy can be the guy. We do know that Sam isn't the guy. It's flat out foolish to spend $40M on someone we know ain't the guy.

There was a lot of people in Philly saying the same thing about Jalen Hurts. I'm not saying Darnold is Hurts by any means, but having a great offensive line can go a long ways towards making a quarterback look great.

Jalen Hurts?

The guy who made it to the Super Bowl at age 24? Led his team to 35 Points. 304 Passing yards on 71%. 1 TD, no INT. 70 Rushing yards, 3 TDs. 1 FUM.

quote:

The offensive coordinator also did Darnold no favors with his lack of adjustments down the stretch. He kept running the same shit and expecting different results.

Was the coach supposed to throw the ball for Sam? I know you're going to ignore reality, but guys were wide-open all game long both days. And the quick throws were there to be made on every play, but Sam refused to throw them.

Sam got super rattled and just started trying to win the game with every throw.

They can run wide open all they want, it doesn't make much difference if you are on your back.

That's the point. He wasn't on his back. He just didn't throw the ball. On one sack, he held the ball 7 seconds. Same crappy line he had all year. Threw under duress all year. What was different was the moment and it was too big for him.

It's amazing how you guys that have never played the game at a high level can make it out to be so easy.

Is Sam Darnold an elite quarterback? Not on a Mahomes level, no. But he's a darned good quarterback that had a couple of bad games while leading a team with one of the worst offensive lines in football to a 14-3 record. I'd like to see what he can do with a good offensive line.

You guys would rather turn the reigns over to a guy that has never completed a pass in the NFL because you had your feelings hurt and playoff hopes dashed with a playoff loss. A playoff appearance that not one person on this thread thought would happen when the season started.

If the offensive line doesn't get fixed, McCarthy won't win more than nine games.

< Message edited by Brad H -- 2/13/2025 5:17:31 PM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/13/2025 7:44:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

The bottom line is we don't know if McCarthy can be the guy. We do know that Sam isn't the guy. It's flat out foolish to spend $40M on someone we know ain't the guy.

There was a lot of people in Philly saying the same thing about Jalen Hurts. I'm not saying Darnold is Hurts by any means, but having a great offensive line can go a long ways towards making a quarterback look great.

Jalen Hurts?

The guy who made it to the Super Bowl at age 24? Led his team to 35 Points. 304 Passing yards on 71%. 1 TD, no INT. 70 Rushing yards, 3 TDs. 1 FUM.

quote:

The offensive coordinator also did Darnold no favors with his lack of adjustments down the stretch. He kept running the same shit and expecting different results.

Was the coach supposed to throw the ball for Sam? I know you're going to ignore reality, but guys were wide-open all game long both days. And the quick throws were there to be made on every play, but Sam refused to throw them.

Sam got super rattled and just started trying to win the game with every throw.

They can run wide open all they want, it doesn't make much difference if you are on your back.

That's the point. He wasn't on his back. He just didn't throw the ball. On one sack, he held the ball 7 seconds. Same crappy line he had all year. Threw under duress all year. What was different was the moment and it was too big for him.

It's amazing how you guys that have never played the game at a high level can make it out to be so easy.

Is Sam Darnold an elite quarterback? Not on a Mahomes level, no. But he's a darned good quarterback that had a couple of bad games while leading a team with one of the worst offensive lines in football to a 14-3 record. I'd like to see what he can do with a good offensive line.

You guys would rather turn the reigns over to a guy that has never completed a pass in the NFL because you had your feelings hurt and playoff hopes dashed with a playoff loss. A playoff appearance that not one person on this thread thought would happen when the season started.

If the offensive line doesn't get fixed, McCarthy won't win more than nine games.

LOL. No, I very much enjoyed the season. I even mocked a scenario keeping SD and trading JJM. I want to turn the reigns over because you can't sign Darnold, rebuild the oline, and improve the secondary/defense at the same time. I want to turn the reigns over because I think JJM has the potential to be a very good QB AND allows the team-building that is needed.

Again, layout a cap/draft strategy that rebuilds the line, upgrades IDL, signs 3+ secondary players and keeps SD.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/13/2025 7:51:09 PM

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Sam overachieved (during the regular season) similar to another journey man QB (Case Keenum). I doubt we regretted not paying the big $$$ to him either.

Sam had a really good season which was his best ever with top 5 weapons. Again when you have weapons around QBs you either cheat on what you pay the oline or QB but not both.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/14/2025 9:27:23 AM

Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

The bottom line is we don't know if McCarthy can be the guy. We do know that Sam isn't the guy. It's flat out foolish to spend $40M on someone we know ain't the guy.

There was a lot of people in Philly saying the same thing about Jalen Hurts. I'm not saying Darnold is Hurts by any means, but having a great offensive line can go a long ways towards making a quarterback look great.

Jalen Hurts?

The guy who made it to the Super Bowl at age 24? Led his team to 35 Points. 304 Passing yards on 71%. 1 TD, no INT. 70 Rushing yards, 3 TDs. 1 FUM.

quote:

The offensive coordinator also did Darnold no favors with his lack of adjustments down the stretch. He kept running the same shit and expecting different results.

Was the coach supposed to throw the ball for Sam? I know you're going to ignore reality, but guys were wide-open all game long both days. And the quick throws were there to be made on every play, but Sam refused to throw them.

Sam got super rattled and just started trying to win the game with every throw.

They can run wide open all they want, it doesn't make much difference if you are on your back.

That's the point. He wasn't on his back. He just didn't throw the ball. On one sack, he held the ball 7 seconds. Same crappy line he had all year. Threw under duress all year. What was different was the moment and it was too big for him.

It's amazing how you guys that have never played the game at a high level can make it out to be so easy.

Is Sam Darnold an elite quarterback? Not on a Mahomes level, no. But he's a darned good quarterback that had a couple of bad games while leading a team with one of the worst offensive lines in football to a 14-3 record. I'd like to see what he can do with a good offensive line.

You guys would rather turn the reigns over to a guy that has never completed a pass in the NFL because you had your feelings hurt and playoff hopes dashed with a playoff loss. A playoff appearance that not one person on this thread thought would happen when the season started.

If the offensive line doesn't get fixed, McCarthy won't win more than nine games.

LOL. No, I very much enjoyed the season. I even mocked a scenario keeping SD and trading JJM. I want to turn the reigns over because you can't sign Darnold, rebuild the oline, and improve the secondary/defense at the same time. I want to turn the reigns over because I think JJM has the potential to be a very good QB AND allows the team-building that is needed.

Again, layout a cap/draft strategy that rebuilds the line, upgrades IDL, signs 3+ secondary players and keeps SD.

In the NFL, it starts with the quarterback.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/14/2025 9:28:04 AM

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Sam overachieved (during the regular season) similar to another journey man QB (Case Keenum).

That is a lazy man's opinion. Nothing concrete.

Darnold is 43-40 as a starter in the NFL. In his career, he has yet to have an offensive line in front of him that was worth a shit. In both New York and Carolina he had zero talent around him. He finally gets some talent around him and goes 14-3.

You can't win anything important in the NFL without a quarterback.

As I have always said, Vikings fans suffer from amnesia on an annual basis. It's almost as if they can't remember 12 months ago.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/14/2025 9:57:01 AM

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Fix the Ol or it won't matter who we have at QB.
The OL is the biggest problem and has been for a long time.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/14/2025 9:57:54 AM

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Sam overachieved (during the regular season) similar to another journey man QB (Case Keenum).

That is a lazy man's opinion. Nothing concrete.

Darnold is 43-40 as a starter in the NFL. In his career, he has yet to have an offensive line in front of him that was worth a shit. In both New York and Carolina he had zero talent around him. He finally gets some talent around him and goes 14-3.

You can't win anything important in the NFL without a quarterback.

As I have always said, Vikings fans suffer from amnesia on an annual basis. It's almost as if they can't remember 12 months ago.

Nothing Concrete is exactly why they aren't giving him 35-45 million.
Amnesia? Every year is a new season for every team. Also why they aren't going to give him the money.

Again he isn't a championship QB in the final exams over the last 2 games. Lazy is saying a 14 win season from Sam is different than a 13 from Kirk when neither gets you over the playoff hurdle.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/14/2025 10:14:47 AM

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I thank Sam for making the decision easy for the Vikings. Had Sam shown some flashes in either of the last 2 games, it may have made it a tough decision.

I expect to take a regular season step backwards with McCarthy, it's still going to be like a rookie season, and I am assuming there are things for him to learn.

With a tougher schedule, McCarthy starting, I expect 6-10 wins this year, followed a Super Bowl run in 2026.

It could also end up being Daniel Jones starting, and the Vikings winning 12 regular season games, or it could be Aaron Rodgers starting, or it could be Darnold again, or it could be ....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/14/2025 10:17:46 AM

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It's amazing how you guys that have never played the game at a high level can make it out to be so easy.

Is Sam Darnold an elite quarterback? Not on a Mahomes level, no. But he's a darned good quarterback that had a couple of bad games while leading a team with one of the worst offensive lines in football to a 14-3 record. I'd like to see what he can do with a good offensive line.

Again, everything you say about Darnold can be said about Cousins in 2022. Yet, in 2022, you said those things didn't matter and Cousins was one of the10 worst quarterbacks in the NFL.

The biggest difference between Cousins 2022 and Darnold in 2024 is that Darnold had a better team around him. The other is Cousins put more points on the board in one failed playoff game than Darnold did in his back to back choke jobs combined.

I have no interest in the Vikings shelling out another $100M to prove Darnold is Cousins 2.0.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/14/2025 1:03:40 PM

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It's amazing how you guys that have never played the game at a high level can make it out to be so easy.

Just curious, did you ever play the game at a high level? Have you ever played any sport at a high level?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/15/2025 9:47:43 AM

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ORIGINAL: Brad H
It's amazing how you guys that have never played the game at a high level can make it out to be so easy.

Is Sam Darnold an elite quarterback? Not on a Mahomes level, no. But he's a darned good quarterback that had a couple of bad games while leading a team with one of the worst offensive lines in football to a 14-3 record. I'd like to see what he can do with a good offensive line.

Again, everything you say about Darnold can be said about Cousins in 2022. Yet, in 2022, you said those things didn't matter and Cousins was one of the10 worst quarterbacks in the NFL.

The biggest difference between Cousins 2022 and Darnold in 2024 is that Darnold had a better team around him. The other is Cousins put more points on the board in one failed playoff game than Darnold did in his back to back choke jobs combined.

I have no interest in the Vikings shelling out another $100M to prove Darnold is Cousins 2.0.

Lets see what you are saying 12 months from now.

Again, I have thoroughly explained my beefs with Cousins and why I couldn't stand him. The guy wasn't a leader, and at the time an aging quarterback. It's not all about the easy statistics you can find with a Google search.

I've also explained why I have concerns over McCarthy. So far, not one person has given me a reason to believe he is a good alternative, outside of the fact that he is on a rookie contract and comes at a cheaper price. If that's the case, go get Desmond Ridder or Will Levis. They're on rookie contracts as well. I suspect you wouldn't be interested in either of them, and for good reason.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/15/2025 9:59:27 AM

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ORIGINAL: Brad H
It's amazing how you guys that have never played the game at a high level can make it out to be so easy.

Just curious, did you ever play the game at a high level? Have you ever played any sport at a high level?

It's not about me. I wasn't the one criticizing a guy that just went 14-3 playing with one of the worst offensive lines in the league.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/15/2025 10:21:27 AM

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ORIGINAL: Brad H
It's amazing how you guys that have never played the game at a high level can make it out to be so easy.

Is Sam Darnold an elite quarterback? Not on a Mahomes level, no. But he's a darned good quarterback that had a couple of bad games while leading a team with one of the worst offensive lines in football to a 14-3 record. I'd like to see what he can do with a good offensive line.

Again, everything you say about Darnold can be said about Cousins in 2022. Yet, in 2022, you said those things didn't matter and Cousins was one of the10 worst quarterbacks in the NFL.

The biggest difference between Cousins 2022 and Darnold in 2024 is that Darnold had a better team around him. The other is Cousins put more points on the board in one failed playoff game than Darnold did in his back to back choke jobs combined.

I have no interest in the Vikings shelling out another $100M to prove Darnold is Cousins 2.0.

Lets see what you are saying 12 months from now.

Again, I have thoroughly explained my beefs with Cousins and why I couldn't stand him. The guy wasn't a leader, and at the time an aging quarterback. It's not all about the easy statistics you can find with a Google search.

I've also explained why I have concerns over McCarthy. So far, not one person has given me a reason to believe he is a good alternative, outside of the fact that he is on a rookie contract and comes at a cheaper price. If that's the case, go get Desmond Ridder or Will Levis. They're on rookie contracts as well. I suspect you wouldn't be interested in either of them, and for good reason.