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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/13/2024 7:26:22 AM   
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That post is a non-starter to begin with (Sorry, Brad).


It's what I was complaining about up thread. It WAS NOT a "2 minute drill". KOC didn't allow it. I deleted the recording but going off memory.

50 seconds with all 3 TO's at about our own 35-40 and we basically ran the clock out. We didn't take a knee but there was no urgency at all. I mentioned it was an opportunity lost to get him some experience there. Nothing to lose and we just didn't care.


Again, perhaps a two-minute drill wasn't part of the script for McCarthy.

And perhaps they needed to evaluate certain sets and players. Players that would be sitting in the second half.

Or yes they "didn't care" and just wanted to get to halftime injury free.


Totally could be the case. Obviously I have no clue what they plan was/is. I thought it was a bit of a wasted opportunity but I'm also just a couch sitting jackass.

Wasted opportunity sounds about right. The 2 minute offense was pretty much nonexistent with Cousins as well. Chaotic and looked un-rehearsed. Kind of looking like KOC is lacking in many aspects as a HC. Many games are won and lost in the last 2 minutes of a game. To not practice it when the opportunity is ripe is more or less coaching malpractice.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/13/2024 7:46:15 AM   
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There was only one drive that mattered in the entire game. It was the final drive of the first half where McCarthy went 3-and-out.

This is what I've been saying about McCarthy. The 2-minute offense has become very important for NFL quarterbacks. He has very little experience running it at Michigan because he was mostly playing from ahead, with a running offense.

It was one of the main reasons I didn't like the pick of McCarthy. He strikes me as Jim Harbaugh II.

I hope he improves, but he may not. It's an art, and takes time to develop. You've got to know how to control the clock at the end of halves. Kirk Cousins did a lot of things right, but he was a terrible two-minute quarterback.

Lets also not forget, the Vikes were down 20-7 at the half.....to the Raiders.


If you watched a 21 year old kid in his first NFL action do what JJ did on Saturday and find zero positives...

you don't want to find a positive.

Brad is back to his "the only stats that matter are the ones in the last two minutes of a half" nonsense. The Vikings scored 24 points and McCarthy engineered 21 of them. I guess Hall is the real gem because he got that FG in the last two minutes.

I could care less what a guy does in preseason game #1 against third stringers. The only thing that mattered for McCarthy was how he handled a two-minute drill. Down 20-7 seems like it would have been a great opportunity for experience. Whether it's him or a coaching decision to run out the clock is irrelevant. It was a missed opportunity for growth.


The ONLY thing that mattered was the last two minutes of the half? That's just silly. If you watched the game, the first touchdown pass was absolutely beautiful. A perfectly thrown ball. I watched the ENTIRE game and came away impressed by his poise and leadership on the field. He made some mistakes, but that's expected. Comparing Darnold to McCarthy in that game, I'd say what sort of stood out to me a bit was that Darnold seemed more "intentional" with his throws while McCarthy seemed more "natural" or fluid in his throws. In fairness to Darnold, he only played one series. If all you took away from the game was the result of the final two minutes of the first half, I'm glad you're not a scout for the team.


The two-minute drill would have been one minute and five seconds (1:05) because the Raiders had the ball for 46 seconds, and the blocked FG was the play prior.

Nonetheless, all told the infamous, critical, and non-existent two-minute drill consisted of 4 plays for the Vikings on offense:
- The blocked FG.
- Three passes, in which JJ was 2-3 for 9 yards.

Well I've seen enough. The kids a bust.

Again, no reason for hyperbole. I only said the only drive that mattered was the last drive of the first half and it was a missed opportunity.

Man, you guys just love to take a ball and run with it. Is there something wrong with critical thinking around here?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/13/2024 10:16:55 AM   
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Stephon Gilmore’s visit

The veteran cornerback was in town on Monday but left without a contract. It sounded like the Vikings were trying to sell Gilmore on the team’s atmosphere and his familiarity with Brian Flores from their time in New England.

“I think it’s a positive for guys to get a sneak preview at what they may be joining if things work out,” O’Connell said. “As far as where we’re at right now [with Gilmore], nothing to update there other than that it was a very positive visit.”
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/13/2024 10:17:39 AM  1 votes
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Again, no reason for hyperbole. I only said the only drive that mattered was the last drive of the first half and it was a missed opportunity.



A great example of hyperbole...
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/13/2024 11:11:19 AM   
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i think that Byron Murphy was a bad signing and a defensive liability...we could save $5mm this season if we cut him...i'd much rather go gilmore, griffen, and moreau - and then hang on to evans, mcglothern, and another young cb...also, we'll have to sign najee thompson as a special team player....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/13/2024 11:29:28 AM   
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Shit.

Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter
ESPN Sources: Vikings rookie first-round pick J.J. McCarthy is expected to be undergo knee surgery that will determine how much time he will be sidelined. McCarthy complained about knee soreness over the weekend, and underwent an MRI on Monday night.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/13/2024 11:31:44 AM   
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#Vikings rookie QB J.J. McCarthy will undergo surgery this week for a meniscus injury, sources tell me and @RapSheet.

The surgery will determine how long McCarthy will miss. But it now appears Sam Darnold is in line to be Minnesota’s Week 1 starter.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/13/2024 11:32:08 AM   
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We can’t have nice things.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/13/2024 11:34:13 AM   
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Kevin O'Connell confirms that J.J. McCarthy has a tear in his right meniscus. He will need surgery. Not scheduled yet. Whether it needs to be trimmed or repaired would be determined at that time. Only then will the timetable be determined. Tough news regardless.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/13/2024 11:38:38 AM   
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First thing I thought of when they said sore knee was meniscus injury - shit, but it could be a lot worse
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/13/2024 11:41:11 AM   
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This is the same injury that cost Joe Mauer almost his entire rookie season.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/13/2024 11:56:48 AM   
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Mauer's knee has zero to do with JJ's. All meniscus tears are different. Some have Bilateral Weakness and others not so much.

But it is an UUGGGH any way.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/13/2024 12:00:41 PM   
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First thing I thought of when they said sore knee was meniscus injury - shit, but it could be a lot worse


Same thought but damn he looked good in a tiny sample size.

We are snakebit

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/13/2024 12:26:04 PM   
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Listening to the radio, people are WAY overreacting to the news on JJ. In the big picture this is a minor speed bump. It really changes nothing as far as I’m concerned. My attitude even prior to the injury was I don’t care whether JJ even plays this year. Because if he doesn’t, it probably means Darnold and the team were doing well and there was no rush to throw a 21 year old QB in there. A 21 year old QB is not going to be an instant savior.

Meniscus injury is not detrimental long term to a career. They’ll know after they operate whether it’s a few weeks or a few months, but he WILL fully recover.

Personal note. I tore meniscus a couple of years ago awkwardly descending a hill on a hike. They determined my old knee was not a candidate for surgery. Just not enough there to work with. So we tried PT for a while. Zero improvement. Waste of time. I couldn’t bend my knee enough to ride bike without extreme pain, and couldn’t walk more than a half mile without requiring rest. Finally got knee replacement. Not solely due to the injury. The meniscus was more of a last straw for a battered arthritic knee. And BTW I got it done at TCO by a Vikings doc.

So no not implying JJ is a candidate for replacement. God I hope not. But I know first hand he’ll get world class care. They’ll get him fixed up. Everything will be fine.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/13/2024 12:45:16 PM   
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Cowherd, on his live show, just said that he got texts from 2 current NFL players and implied that it wasn't good. He hinted that it's season ending but didn't flat out say that.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/13/2024 1:32:29 PM   
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Terrible news. Hopefully he's back quickly but I'm always a skeptic when it comes to our Vikes. Either way he should be ready at worst case next season. Get better JJ.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/13/2024 1:44:27 PM   
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Listening to KFAN a while ago with TennaB and Ben Leber tallking about it and Leber said it was his understanding that the quick fix is more for the short term and the full repair is better for longer term. Leber said if it was his knee he would go long term and I agree. JJ is a young man and has his whole career ahead of him, a medical red shirt with full recovery is better for him. If we have another poor record this season and get top 10 pick all the better in the long run.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/13/2024 2:27:10 PM   
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Joe Mauer went on to be a first-ballot HOFer.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/13/2024 2:42:44 PM   
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Joe Mauer went on to be a first-ballot HOFer.


Take it to the Twins board. No one cares.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/13/2024 2:46:37 PM   
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Kevin Seifert@SeifertESPN
Kevin O'Connell confirms that J.J. McCarthy has a tear in his right meniscus. He will need surgery. Not scheduled yet. Whether it needs to be trimmed or repaired would be determined at that time. Only then will the timetable be determined. Tough news regardless.


That really changes the outlook for at least the beginning of the season. Darnold hasn't succeeded anywhere at this point in his NFL career so it's sort of fools gold to think he will do so simply because he's now a Viking. I certainly hope he's ready to turn his career around, but it's just hope at this point as he doesn't have a history of NFL success. Takes a little wind out of my sails for the moment as I was feeling pretty positive about McCarthy's future. Let's hope it's just a "minor" surgery that doesn't keep him out too long...more "hoping" on my part!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/13/2024 3:18:20 PM   
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We should know enough now how the universe works.

Don’t get your hopes up.

Wouldn’t surprise if Darnold goes down soon too.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/13/2024 3:31:29 PM   
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It sure sucks the life out of the next 2 games. Heavy dose of Mullens and Hall. Darnold won't get any snaps until opening day..
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/13/2024 3:32:23 PM   
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We should know enough now how the universe works.

Don’t get your hopes up.

Wouldn’t surprise if Darnold goes down soon too.


The NFL is a tough business to be in!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/13/2024 3:36:55 PM   
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It sure sucks the life out of the next 2 games. Heavy dose of Mullens and Hall. Darnold won't get any snaps until opening day..


You're right. The Vikings can't take any chances with Darnold in the preseason now without knowing if and when McCarthy will be able to return. I wasn't expecting much from the team this year record wise so watching McCarthy's progress was the main thing that I was interested in this year. We'll know more once the surgery is completed.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/13/2024 5:54:03 PM   
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It sure sucks the life out of the next 2 games. Heavy dose of Mullens and Hall. Darnold won't get any snaps until opening day..


You're right. The Vikings can't take any chances with Darnold in the preseason now without knowing if and when McCarthy will be able to return. I wasn't expecting much from the team this year record wise so watching McCarthy's progress was the main thing that I was interested in this year. We'll know more once the surgery is completed.

We just can't have nice things.

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