quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Pro-Football-Reference career advanced splits (Snap Type; approximates usage via pass attempts + rushes)Shotgun: 1,772 completions on 2,622 attempts + 417 rushes.
Under Center: 202 completions on 319 attempts + 115 rushes.

This is consistent with under center being a small share of his total involvement (especially on dropbacks). Note that these are not pure snap counts of every offensive play, and pistol is not broken out separately (it generally falls under shotgun-style tracking).

pro-football-reference.com

Context by era:
Kingsbury years (2019–2022): Extremely shotgun-heavy (often 90%+), minimal under center.
Petzing/Gannon years (2023–2025 partial): Noticeable increase in under-center snaps (for run game, play-action, and versatility), though still not the majority. Team under-center rates rose, and Murray himself took more of those snaps.
Pistol appears occasionally in reporting (e.g., specific zone-read or condensed looks) but is not a primary alignment for him career-wide.

In short, across his career Kyler Murray has lined up under center only a small fraction of the time (most commonly cited in the mid-single digits to low teens percent), with the large majority of his snaps/dropbacks coming from shotgun (pistol included as a smaller portion of the non-under-center looks). Usage of under center increased later in Arizona but never approached 50%. Data sources can differ slightly by whether they track all snaps, dropbacks only, or pass plays, and by the exact cutoff date.

Conclusion: Unless KOC changes his scheme, Murray has another thing - a significant one at that - to adjust to.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Trying to make Murray projections off of Darnold is laughable. Their game and personalities are so vastly different, you might as well compare crockpots to a tibetan caterpillar fungus.

Can lightning strike twice and Murray have a career year with us? Its possible.

So many things having nothing to do with Murray would have to happen, on top of Murray playing out of his mind, to match the regular season success SD had here …

we all hope for that but arguing for it is grasping at straws with a heavy industrial earthmover.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Pro-Football-Reference career advanced splits (Snap Type; approximates usage via pass attempts + rushes)Shotgun: 1,772 completions on 2,622 attempts + 417 rushes.
Under Center: 202 completions on 319 attempts + 115 rushes.

This is consistent with under center being a small share of his total involvement (especially on dropbacks). Note that these are not pure snap counts of every offensive play, and pistol is not broken out separately (it generally falls under shotgun-style tracking).

pro-football-reference.com

Context by era:
Kingsbury years (2019–2022): Extremely shotgun-heavy (often 90%+), minimal under center.
Petzing/Gannon years (2023–2025 partial): Noticeable increase in under-center snaps (for run game, play-action, and versatility), though still not the majority. Team under-center rates rose, and Murray himself took more of those snaps.
Pistol appears occasionally in reporting (e.g., specific zone-read or condensed looks) but is not a primary alignment for him career-wide.

In short, across his career Kyler Murray has lined up under center only a small fraction of the time (most commonly cited in the mid-single digits to low teens percent), with the large majority of his snaps/dropbacks coming from shotgun (pistol included as a smaller portion of the non-under-center looks). Usage of under center increased later in Arizona but never approached 50%. Data sources can differ slightly by whether they track all snaps, dropbacks only, or pass plays, and by the exact cutoff date.

Conclusion: Unless KOC changes his scheme, Murray has another thing - a significant one at that - to adjust to.

Conclusion: 1) How are you positive the adjustment doesn't help him? 2) Even after 1 quarter of one preseason game?

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Pro-Football-Reference career advanced splits (Snap Type; approximates usage via pass attempts + rushes)Shotgun: 1,772 completions on 2,622 attempts + 417 rushes.
Under Center: 202 completions on 319 attempts + 115 rushes.

This is consistent with under center being a small share of his total involvement (especially on dropbacks). Note that these are not pure snap counts of every offensive play, and pistol is not broken out separately (it generally falls under shotgun-style tracking).

pro-football-reference.com

Context by era:
Kingsbury years (2019–2022): Extremely shotgun-heavy (often 90%+), minimal under center.
Petzing/Gannon years (2023–2025 partial): Noticeable increase in under-center snaps (for run game, play-action, and versatility), though still not the majority. Team under-center rates rose, and Murray himself took more of those snaps.
Pistol appears occasionally in reporting (e.g., specific zone-read or condensed looks) but is not a primary alignment for him career-wide.

In short, across his career Kyler Murray has lined up under center only a small fraction of the time (most commonly cited in the mid-single digits to low teens percent), with the large majority of his snaps/dropbacks coming from shotgun (pistol included as a smaller portion of the non-under-center looks). Usage of under center increased later in Arizona but never approached 50%. Data sources can differ slightly by whether they track all snaps, dropbacks only, or pass plays, and by the exact cutoff date.

Conclusion: Unless KOC changes his scheme, Murray has another thing - a significant one at that - to adjust to.

Conclusion: 1) How are you positive the adjustment doesn't help him? 2) Even after 1 quarter of one preseason game?

Never said that. There you go again.

I said "Unless KOC changes his scheme, Murray has another thing - a significant one at that - to adjust to."

Geez, it was literally a one sentence post and you confused yourself.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Pro-Football-Reference career advanced splits (Snap Type; approximates usage via pass attempts + rushes)Shotgun: 1,772 completions on 2,622 attempts + 417 rushes.
Under Center: 202 completions on 319 attempts + 115 rushes.

This is consistent with under center being a small share of his total involvement (especially on dropbacks). Note that these are not pure snap counts of every offensive play, and pistol is not broken out separately (it generally falls under shotgun-style tracking).

pro-football-reference.com

Context by era:
Kingsbury years (2019–2022): Extremely shotgun-heavy (often 90%+), minimal under center.
Petzing/Gannon years (2023–2025 partial): Noticeable increase in under-center snaps (for run game, play-action, and versatility), though still not the majority. Team under-center rates rose, and Murray himself took more of those snaps.
Pistol appears occasionally in reporting (e.g., specific zone-read or condensed looks) but is not a primary alignment for him career-wide.

In short, across his career Kyler Murray has lined up under center only a small fraction of the time (most commonly cited in the mid-single digits to low teens percent), with the large majority of his snaps/dropbacks coming from shotgun (pistol included as a smaller portion of the non-under-center looks). Usage of under center increased later in Arizona but never approached 50%. Data sources can differ slightly by whether they track all snaps, dropbacks only, or pass plays, and by the exact cutoff date.

Conclusion: Unless KOC changes his scheme, Murray has another thing - a significant one at that - to adjust to.

Conclusion: 1) How are you positive the adjustment doesn't help him? 2) Even after 1 quarter of one preseason game?

Never said that. There you go again.

I said "Unless KOC changes his scheme, Murray has another thing - a significant one at that - to adjust to."

Geez, it was literally a one sentence post and you confused yourself.

You mean the post where Brad H agreed with you in a reply?
So you weren't saying it but just saying?

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Pro-Football-Reference career advanced splits (Snap Type; approximates usage via pass attempts + rushes)Shotgun: 1,772 completions on 2,622 attempts + 417 rushes.
Under Center: 202 completions on 319 attempts + 115 rushes.

This is consistent with under center being a small share of his total involvement (especially on dropbacks). Note that these are not pure snap counts of every offensive play, and pistol is not broken out separately (it generally falls under shotgun-style tracking).

pro-football-reference.com

Context by era:
Kingsbury years (2019–2022): Extremely shotgun-heavy (often 90%+), minimal under center.
Petzing/Gannon years (2023–2025 partial): Noticeable increase in under-center snaps (for run game, play-action, and versatility), though still not the majority. Team under-center rates rose, and Murray himself took more of those snaps.
Pistol appears occasionally in reporting (e.g., specific zone-read or condensed looks) but is not a primary alignment for him career-wide.

In short, across his career Kyler Murray has lined up under center only a small fraction of the time (most commonly cited in the mid-single digits to low teens percent), with the large majority of his snaps/dropbacks coming from shotgun (pistol included as a smaller portion of the non-under-center looks). Usage of under center increased later in Arizona but never approached 50%. Data sources can differ slightly by whether they track all snaps, dropbacks only, or pass plays, and by the exact cutoff date.

Conclusion: Unless KOC changes his scheme, Murray has another thing - a significant one at that - to adjust to.

Conclusion: 1) How are you positive the adjustment doesn't help him? 2) Even after 1 quarter of one preseason game?

Never said that. There you go again.

I said "Unless KOC changes his scheme, Murray has another thing - a significant one at that - to adjust to."

Geez, it was literally a one sentence post and you confused yourself.

You mean the post where Brad H agreed with you in a reply?

So deflect with a post that you somehow think is funny, got it.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Pro-Football-Reference career advanced splits (Snap Type; approximates usage via pass attempts + rushes)Shotgun: 1,772 completions on 2,622 attempts + 417 rushes.
Under Center: 202 completions on 319 attempts + 115 rushes.

This is consistent with under center being a small share of his total involvement (especially on dropbacks). Note that these are not pure snap counts of every offensive play, and pistol is not broken out separately (it generally falls under shotgun-style tracking).

pro-football-reference.com

Context by era:
Kingsbury years (2019–2022): Extremely shotgun-heavy (often 90%+), minimal under center.
Petzing/Gannon years (2023–2025 partial): Noticeable increase in under-center snaps (for run game, play-action, and versatility), though still not the majority. Team under-center rates rose, and Murray himself took more of those snaps.
Pistol appears occasionally in reporting (e.g., specific zone-read or condensed looks) but is not a primary alignment for him career-wide.

In short, across his career Kyler Murray has lined up under center only a small fraction of the time (most commonly cited in the mid-single digits to low teens percent), with the large majority of his snaps/dropbacks coming from shotgun (pistol included as a smaller portion of the non-under-center looks). Usage of under center increased later in Arizona but never approached 50%. Data sources can differ slightly by whether they track all snaps, dropbacks only, or pass plays, and by the exact cutoff date.

Conclusion: Unless KOC changes his scheme, Murray has another thing - a significant one at that - to adjust to.

Conclusion: 1) How are you positive the adjustment doesn't help him? 2) Even after 1 quarter of one preseason game?

Never said that. There you go again.

I said "Unless KOC changes his scheme, Murray has another thing - a significant one at that - to adjust to."

Geez, it was literally a one sentence post and you confused yourself.

You mean the post where Brad H agreed with you in a reply?

So deflect with a post that you somehow think is funny, got it.

Brad agreeing with you proves it....it is funny because you don't see it.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Pro-Football-Reference career advanced splits (Snap Type; approximates usage via pass attempts + rushes)Shotgun: 1,772 completions on 2,622 attempts + 417 rushes.
Under Center: 202 completions on 319 attempts + 115 rushes.

This is consistent with under center being a small share of his total involvement (especially on dropbacks). Note that these are not pure snap counts of every offensive play, and pistol is not broken out separately (it generally falls under shotgun-style tracking).

pro-football-reference.com

Context by era:
Kingsbury years (2019–2022): Extremely shotgun-heavy (often 90%+), minimal under center.
Petzing/Gannon years (2023–2025 partial): Noticeable increase in under-center snaps (for run game, play-action, and versatility), though still not the majority. Team under-center rates rose, and Murray himself took more of those snaps.
Pistol appears occasionally in reporting (e.g., specific zone-read or condensed looks) but is not a primary alignment for him career-wide.

In short, across his career Kyler Murray has lined up under center only a small fraction of the time (most commonly cited in the mid-single digits to low teens percent), with the large majority of his snaps/dropbacks coming from shotgun (pistol included as a smaller portion of the non-under-center looks). Usage of under center increased later in Arizona but never approached 50%. Data sources can differ slightly by whether they track all snaps, dropbacks only, or pass plays, and by the exact cutoff date.

Conclusion: Unless KOC changes his scheme, Murray has another thing - a significant one at that - to adjust to.

Conclusion: 1) How are you positive the adjustment doesn't help him? 2) Even after 1 quarter of one preseason game?

Never said that. There you go again.

I said "Unless KOC changes his scheme, Murray has another thing - a significant one at that - to adjust to."

Geez, it was literally a one sentence post and you confused yourself.

You mean the post where Brad H agreed with you in a reply?

So deflect with a post that you somehow think is funny, got it.

Brad agreeing with you proves it....it is funny because you don't see it.

It was a prediction I reiterated from March. So what.

You however conveniently used it to intentionally deflect away from not understanding my simple assertion that Murray being under center a lot more is a significant adjustment.... based on numbers you imported!

OK, now what rabbit hole are you going to hop to?

Out.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Pro-Football-Reference career advanced splits (Snap Type; approximates usage via pass attempts + rushes)Shotgun: 1,772 completions on 2,622 attempts + 417 rushes.
Under Center: 202 completions on 319 attempts + 115 rushes.

This is consistent with under center being a small share of his total involvement (especially on dropbacks). Note that these are not pure snap counts of every offensive play, and pistol is not broken out separately (it generally falls under shotgun-style tracking).

pro-football-reference.com

Context by era:
Kingsbury years (2019–2022): Extremely shotgun-heavy (often 90%+), minimal under center.
Petzing/Gannon years (2023–2025 partial): Noticeable increase in under-center snaps (for run game, play-action, and versatility), though still not the majority. Team under-center rates rose, and Murray himself took more of those snaps.
Pistol appears occasionally in reporting (e.g., specific zone-read or condensed looks) but is not a primary alignment for him career-wide.

In short, across his career Kyler Murray has lined up under center only a small fraction of the time (most commonly cited in the mid-single digits to low teens percent), with the large majority of his snaps/dropbacks coming from shotgun (pistol included as a smaller portion of the non-under-center looks). Usage of under center increased later in Arizona but never approached 50%. Data sources can differ slightly by whether they track all snaps, dropbacks only, or pass plays, and by the exact cutoff date.

Conclusion: Unless KOC changes his scheme, Murray has another thing - a significant one at that - to adjust to.

Conclusion: 1) How are you positive the adjustment doesn't help him? 2) Even after 1 quarter of one preseason game?

Never said that. There you go again.

I said "Unless KOC changes his scheme, Murray has another thing - a significant one at that - to adjust to."

Geez, it was literally a one sentence post and you confused yourself.

You mean the post where Brad H agreed with you in a reply?

So deflect with a post that you somehow think is funny, got it.

Brad agreeing with you proves it....it is funny because you don't see it.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Pro-Football-Reference career advanced splits (Snap Type; approximates usage via pass attempts + rushes)Shotgun: 1,772 completions on 2,622 attempts + 417 rushes.
Under Center: 202 completions on 319 attempts + 115 rushes.

This is consistent with under center being a small share of his total involvement (especially on dropbacks). Note that these are not pure snap counts of every offensive play, and pistol is not broken out separately (it generally falls under shotgun-style tracking).

pro-football-reference.com

Context by era:
Kingsbury years (2019–2022): Extremely shotgun-heavy (often 90%+), minimal under center.
Petzing/Gannon years (2023–2025 partial): Noticeable increase in under-center snaps (for run game, play-action, and versatility), though still not the majority. Team under-center rates rose, and Murray himself took more of those snaps.
Pistol appears occasionally in reporting (e.g., specific zone-read or condensed looks) but is not a primary alignment for him career-wide.

In short, across his career Kyler Murray has lined up under center only a small fraction of the time (most commonly cited in the mid-single digits to low teens percent), with the large majority of his snaps/dropbacks coming from shotgun (pistol included as a smaller portion of the non-under-center looks). Usage of under center increased later in Arizona but never approached 50%. Data sources can differ slightly by whether they track all snaps, dropbacks only, or pass plays, and by the exact cutoff date.

Conclusion: Unless KOC changes his scheme, Murray has another thing - a significant one at that - to adjust to.

Conclusion: 1) How are you positive the adjustment doesn't help him? 2) Even after 1 quarter of one preseason game?

Never said that. There you go again.

I said "Unless KOC changes his scheme, Murray has another thing - a significant one at that - to adjust to."

Geez, it was literally a one sentence post and you confused yourself.

You mean the post where Brad H agreed with you in a reply?

So deflect with a post that you somehow think is funny, got it.

Brad agreeing with you proves it....it is funny because you don't see it.

It was a prediction I reiterated from March. So what.

You however conveniently used it to intentionally deflect away from not understanding my simple assertion that Murray being under center a lot more is a significant adjustment.... based on numbers you imported!

OK, now what rabbit hole are you going to hop to?

Out.

Now you see it.....

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Somebody's got to say it...Would you two shut the f*ck up!

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Trying to make Murray projections off of Darnold is laughable. Their game and personalities are so vastly different, you might as well compare crockpots to a tibetan caterpillar fungus.

Can lightning strike twice and Murray have a career year with us? Its possible.

So many things having nothing to do with Murray would have to happen, on top of Murray playing out of his mind, to match the regular season success SD had here …

we all hope for that but arguing for it is grasping at straws with a heavy industrial earthmover.

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Trying to make Murray projections off of Darnold is laughable. Their game and personalities are so vastly different, you might as well compare crockpots to a tibetan caterpillar fungus.

Can lightning strike twice and Murray have a career year with us? Its possible.

So many things having nothing to do with Murray would have to happen, on top of Murray playing out of his mind, to match the regular season success SD had here …

we all hope for that but arguing for it is grasping at straws with a heavy industrial earthmover.

Desperation makes some seek out outliers as inspiration.

We have Kyler as the next Darnold and JJM as the next Rodgers/Love.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Trying to make Murray projections off of Darnold is laughable. Their game and personalities are so vastly different, you might as well compare crockpots to a tibetan caterpillar fungus.

Can lightning strike twice and Murray have a career year with us? Its possible.

So many things having nothing to do with Murray would have to happen, on top of Murray playing out of his mind, to match the regular season success SD had here …

we all hope for that but arguing for it is grasping at straws with a heavy industrial earthmover.

Desperation makes some seek out outliers as inspiration.

We have Kyler as the next Darnold and JJM as the next Rodgers/Love.

Excellent. Thanks for boiling it down.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Trying to make Murray projections off of Darnold is laughable. Their game and personalities are so vastly different, you might as well compare crockpots to a tibetan caterpillar fungus.

Can lightning strike twice and Murray have a career year with us? Its possible.

So many things having nothing to do with Murray would have to happen, on top of Murray playing out of his mind, to match the regular season success SD had here …

we all hope for that but arguing for it is grasping at straws with a heavy industrial earthmover.

Desperation makes some seek out outliers as inspiration.

We have Kyler as the next Darnold and JJM as the next Rodgers/Love.

Excellent. Thanks for boiling it down.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd M

One series for Murray is enough I guess.

Wonder if we'll look off a bit to start?

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Trying to make Murray projections off of Darnold is laughable. Their game and personalities are so vastly different, you might as well compare crockpots to a tibetan caterpillar fungus.

Can lightning strike twice and Murray have a career year with us? Its possible.

So many things having nothing to do with Murray would have to happen, on top of Murray playing out of his mind, to match the regular season success SD had here …

we all hope for that but arguing for it is grasping at straws with a heavy industrial earthmover.

Desperation makes some seek out outliers as inspiration.

We have Kyler as the next Darnold and JJM as the next Rodgers/Love.

Excellent. Thanks for boiling it down.

FWIW, Tom, your writing was colorful and entertaining, if not to the point

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Trying to make Murray projections off of Darnold is laughable. Their game and personalities are so vastly different, you might as well compare crockpots to a tibetan caterpillar fungus.

Can lightning strike twice and Murray have a career year with us? Its possible.

So many things having nothing to do with Murray would have to happen, on top of Murray playing out of his mind, to match the regular season success SD had here …

we all hope for that but arguing for it is grasping at straws with a heavy industrial earthmover.

Desperation makes some seek out outliers as inspiration.

We have Kyler as the next Darnold and JJM as the next Rodgers/Love.

Excellent. Thanks for boiling it down.

FWIW, Tom, your writing was colorful and entertaining, if not to the point

I have no point! Just flourescent crayons to describe nonsense … so thank you!

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

This is...not ideal...

Kyler Murray's Deep Ball Problem

If quarterbacks need to be able to throw the ball downfield, Kyler Murray is one of the NFL’s worst starting quarterbacks.

Murray has traditionally struggled massively to throw a football downfield, and 2025 added to that legacy.

On passes 20+ yards downfield, out of 42 qualifying QBs, Murray ranked #39 in accuracy and #38 in completion rate.

Let’s examine Murray’s NFL rank over the last four years by depth.

On 25+ yard passes, Murray ranks:

#36 of 36 in completion rate (21%)
#36 of 36 in EPA/attempt (-0.18)
#36 of 36 in Y/A (7.5)

How about 20+ yards downfield?

Murray ranks:

#40 of 46 in completion rate (30%)
#45 of 46 in EPA/attempt (-0.16)
#42 of 46 in Y/A (8.7)

How about 15+ yards downfield?

Murray ranks:

#42 of 51 in completion rate (38%)
#51 of 51 in EPA/attempt (+0.05)
#47 of 51 in Y/A (9.3)

We really only need to stop there, because throwing the ball less than 15 yards isn’t really considered taking “a shot downfield,” but to just put a bow on the analysis, let’s look at all passes over 10 yards downfield.

I raised the cutoff to 175 attempts to further reduce the pool. Murray ranks:

#36 of 43 in completion rate (43%)
#43 of 43 in EPA/attempt (+0.08)
#41 of 43 in Y/A (8.8)

These aren’t just bad numbers. These are terrible numbers.

There are 32 qualifying quarterbacks.

Murray doesn’t rank in the top 32 throwing downfield, regardless of whether your definition is 10 yards, 15 yards, 20 yards, or 25 yards.

As Murray becomes one of the most talked about quarterbacks in trade discussions, it’s hard to imagine where a quarterback with a massive limitation of throwing the football downfield can become a franchise QB that actually wins meaningful games for teams.

Kyler Murray's Extensive Injury History

He’s not getting better.

He’s getting older and suffering more injuries as the years go by.

Since 2020, Murray has made it through just one of five seasons healthy.

His injury record is extensive:

2025: played only 5 of 17 games after suffering a Lisfranc-type mid-foot sprain
2023: played only 8 of 17 games due to rehabbing his prior-year ACL injury
2022: suffered a hamstring strain, missed multiple games, then tore his ACL and meniscus
2021: suffered a Grade 2 ankle sprain and missed multiple games

https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/kyler-murray-deep-ball-stats-trade-analysis-2026/#

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Trying to make Murray projections off of Darnold is laughable. Their game and personalities are so vastly different, you might as well compare crockpots to a tibetan caterpillar fungus.

Can lightning strike twice and Murray have a career year with us? Its possible.

So many things having nothing to do with Murray would have to happen, on top of Murray playing out of his mind, to match the regular season success SD had here …

we all hope for that but arguing for it is grasping at straws with a heavy industrial earthmover.

Desperation makes some seek out outliers as inspiration.

We have Kyler as the next Darnold and JJM as the next Rodgers/Love.

Excellent. Thanks for boiling it down.

FWIW, Tom, your writing was colorful and entertaining, if not to the point

I have no point! Just flourescent crayons to describe nonsense … so thank you!

Nonsense. You have the gift of metaphor. Grasping at straws with a heavy industrial earth mover could have come directly from Walt Whitman.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

So here is the nonsense that I will once again point to:

Career totals before joining the Vikings:
Kyler Murray (Cardinals, 87 games/87 starts)Passing: 1,974 completions / 2,941 attempts (67.1%), 20,460 yards (7.0 Y/A), 121 TDs, 60 INTs, 92.2 passer rating.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

So here is the nonsense that I will once again point to:

Career totals before joining the Vikings:
Kyler Murray (Cardinals, 87 games/87 starts)Passing: 1,974 completions / 2,941 attempts (67.1%), 20,460 yards (7.0 Y/A), 121 TDs, 60 INTs, 92.2 passer rating.

I suppose its a victory that you are using Murry stats to support a Murry argument (instead of Darnold's etc.)