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Teasley has zero ties to JJM.....it will be interesting to see what happens these last two-three weeks before the season starts.

Trade him away or rehab him?

Nor KOC. Why KOC needs to make playoffs to be retained
No doubt in my mind if we see a debacle this year we will see a brand new staff and QB next year

I don't know what KOC has promised but the key is who are you willing to hire? Harbaugh hasn't gone any farther than KOC (hired 2 years later of course).

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Teasley has zero ties to JJM.....it will be interesting to see what happens these last two-three weeks before the season starts.

Trade him away or rehab him?

Nor KOC. Why KOC needs to make playoffs to be retained
No doubt in my mind if we see a debacle this year we will see a brand new staff and QB next year

I don't know what KOC has promised but the key is who are you willing to hire? Harbaugh hasn't gone any farther than KOC (hired 2 years later of course).

Why bring up Harbaugh?

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser
The stuff that I've read about Harbaugh was the Wilf's were very interested, but they thought it would be better in going with someone who was the opposite of Zimmer, personality wise.

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The stuff that I've read about Harbaugh was the Wilf's were very interested, but they thought it would be better in going with someone who was the opposite of Zimmer, personality wise.

Zimmer personality wise was a problem for the guys on offense.....mostly Kirk and the kicker.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser
The stuff that I've read about Harbaugh was the Wilf's were very interested, but they thought it would be better in going with someone who was the opposite of Zimmer, personality wise.

Zimmer personality wise was a problem for the guys on offense.....mostly Kirk and the kicker.

No, Zimmer in general was the issue. Jeff is right, they went with a kumbaya type after Zimmer.

By almost all reports later in his tenure, Zimmer was a problem for the defensive players. He and Rhodes had a sideline blowup. Zimmer wanted the defensive backs in exact spots.

Yes Zimmer literally ran the highly touted Daniel Carlson out of Minnesota.

Zimmer didn't even get along with Spielman.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser
The stuff that I've read about Harbaugh was the Wilf's were very interested, but they thought it would be better in going with someone who was the opposite of Zimmer, personality wise.

Zimmer personality wise was a problem for the guys on offense.....mostly Kirk and the kicker.

No, Zimmer in general was the issue. Jeff is right, they went with a kumbaya type after Zimmer.

By almost all reports later in his tenure, Zimmer was a problem for the defensive players. He and Rhodes had a sideline blowup. Zimmer wanted the defensive backs in exact spots.

Yes Zimmer literally ran the highly touted Daniel Carlson out of Minnesota.

Zimmer didn't even get along with Spielman.

I think Carlson was later.....he wasn't the kicker that missed the playoff FG. (Blair Walsh)

Rhodes was toast if not done in zone coverage that year but when they found out Spielman and Zimmer didn't talk to each other they both were gone.

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Blair Walsh MN Vikings kicker 2012-2016
Mike Zimmer MN Vikings coach 2014-2021

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser
The stuff that I've read about Harbaugh was the Wilf's were very interested, but they thought it would be better in going with someone who was the opposite of Zimmer, personality wise.

Zimmer personality wise was a problem for the guys on offense.....mostly Kirk and the kicker.

No, Zimmer in general was the issue. Jeff is right, they went with a kumbaya type after Zimmer.

By almost all reports later in his tenure, Zimmer was a problem for the defensive players. He and Rhodes had a sideline blowup. Zimmer wanted the defensive backs in exact spots.

Yes Zimmer literally ran the highly touted Daniel Carlson out of Minnesota.

Zimmer didn't even get along with Spielman.

I think Carlson was later.....he wasn't the kicker that missed the playoff FG. (Blair Walsh)

Rhodes was toast if not done in zone coverage that year but when they found out Spielman and Zimmer didn't talk to each other they both were gone.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser
The stuff that I've read about Harbaugh was the Wilf's were very interested, but they thought it would be better in going with someone who was the opposite of Zimmer, personality wise.

Zimmer personality wise was a problem for the guys on offense.....mostly Kirk and the kicker.

No, Zimmer in general was the issue. Jeff is right, they went with a kumbaya type after Zimmer.

By almost all reports later in his tenure, Zimmer was a problem for the defensive players. He and Rhodes had a sideline blowup. Zimmer wanted the defensive backs in exact spots.

Yes Zimmer literally ran the highly touted Daniel Carlson out of Minnesota.

Zimmer didn't even get along with Spielman.

I think Carlson was later.....he wasn't the kicker that missed the playoff FG. (Blair Walsh)

Rhodes was toast if not done in zone coverage that year but when they found out Spielman and Zimmer didn't talk to each other they both were gone.

No Carlson was not later. Carlson was during Zimmer's reign... in fact, pretty close to smack dab in the middle of his reign. And Carlson of course did not miss a playoff FG because Zimmer released him in September of his rookie year.

Rhodes was a Pro Bowler the year of the blowup, but that was mostly based on reputation. But it didn't stop Zimmer from publicly saying Rhodes needed to live up to his contract.

So again, along with ragging on the D, not communicating with Spielman, Zimmer infected the team beyond mostly 'Kirk and the kicker' (Walsh for you, Carlson for me).

He became an authoritarian and it was definitely time to hire someone who could cool down the room.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser
The stuff that I've read about Harbaugh was the Wilf's were very interested, but they thought it would be better in going with someone who was the opposite of Zimmer, personality wise.

Zimmer personality wise was a problem for the guys on offense.....mostly Kirk and the kicker.

No, Zimmer in general was the issue. Jeff is right, they went with a kumbaya type after Zimmer.

By almost all reports later in his tenure, Zimmer was a problem for the defensive players. He and Rhodes had a sideline blowup. Zimmer wanted the defensive backs in exact spots.

Yes Zimmer literally ran the highly touted Daniel Carlson out of Minnesota.

Zimmer didn't even get along with Spielman.

I think Carlson was later.....he wasn't the kicker that missed the playoff FG. (Blair Walsh)

Rhodes was toast if not done in zone coverage that year but when they found out Spielman and Zimmer didn't talk to each other they both were gone.

No Carlson was not later. Carlson was during Zimmer's reign... in fact, pretty close to smack dab in the middle of his reign. And Carlson of course did not miss a playoff FG because Zimmer released him in September of his rookie year.

Rhodes was a Pro Bowler the year of the blowup, but that was mostly based on reputation. But it didn't stop Zimmer from publicly saying Rhodes needed to live up to his contract.

So again, along with ragging on the D, not communicating with Spielman, Zimmer infected the team beyond mostly 'Kirk and the kicker' (Walsh for you, Carlson for me).

He became an authoritarian and it was definitely time to hire someone who could cool down the room.

Bump.

Phil, do you have an issue with what I just said here?

Or are you hoping your Blair Walsh tangent gains traction?

Both?

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Well, Phil said the Dl was "fine" but if not (?) we can always sign a FA (because good talent is automatically out there in August). And we did!

The team announced Monday it signed defensive lineman Jonathan Harris and tight end Matt Lauter. Minnesota waived third-year defensive lineman Taki Taimani and rookie cornerback Tyreek Chappell with injury designations in corresponding moves.

The 30-year-old Harris originally signed with Minnesota in December 2024 and spent the 2025 season on the Vikings practice squad before he was released in January of this year.

In 40 career games (nine starts), the 6-foot-5, 295-pound Harris has produced 91 tackles, including seven for losses, one sack and seven quarterback hits. Harris recorded the bulk of those stats — 43 tackles and a sack — over 17 games and five starts for Denver in 2023.

Harris joined Chicago in 2019 as an undrafted free agent out of Lindenwood, which was a Division-II program at the time, and he stayed with the Bears until late October that season. Harris joined Denver soon thereafter and played 31 games for the Broncos through 2023.

Harris also had a brief stint with Miami and made seven appearances for Carolina in 2024.

The veteran DL rejoins a room that has added draft picks Caleb Banks and Domonique Orange, plus 28-year-old Isaiahh Loudermilk, among others, since his initial departure.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser
The stuff that I've read about Harbaugh was the Wilf's were very interested, but they thought it would be better in going with someone who was the opposite of Zimmer, personality wise.

Zimmer personality wise was a problem for the guys on offense.....mostly Kirk and the kicker.

No, Zimmer in general was the issue. Jeff is right, they went with a kumbaya type after Zimmer.

By almost all reports later in his tenure, Zimmer was a problem for the defensive players. He and Rhodes had a sideline blowup. Zimmer wanted the defensive backs in exact spots.

Yes Zimmer literally ran the highly touted Daniel Carlson out of Minnesota.

Zimmer didn't even get along with Spielman.

I think Carlson was later.....he wasn't the kicker that missed the playoff FG. (Blair Walsh)

Rhodes was toast if not done in zone coverage that year but when they found out Spielman and Zimmer didn't talk to each other they both were gone.

No Carlson was not later. Carlson was during Zimmer's reign... in fact, pretty close to smack dab in the middle of his reign. And Carlson of course did not miss a playoff FG because Zimmer released him in September of his rookie year.

Rhodes was a Pro Bowler the year of the blowup, but that was mostly based on reputation. But it didn't stop Zimmer from publicly saying Rhodes needed to live up to his contract.

So again, along with ragging on the D, not communicating with Spielman, Zimmer infected the team beyond mostly 'Kirk and the kicker' (Walsh for you, Carlson for me).

He became an authoritarian and it was definitely time to hire someone who could cool down the room.

Bump.

Phil, do you have an issue with what I just said here?

Or are you hoping your Blair Walsh tangent gains traction?

Both?

Which kicker did he ruin? Certainly not Carlson. Not sure how you can exaggerate away that.

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Well, Phil said the Dl was "fine" but if not (?) we can always sign a FA (because good talent is automatically out there in August). And we did!

The team announced Monday it signed defensive lineman Jonathan Harris and tight end Matt Lauter. Minnesota waived third-year defensive lineman Taki Taimani and rookie cornerback Tyreek Chappell with injury designations in corresponding moves.

The 30-year-old Harris originally signed with Minnesota in December 2024 and spent the 2025 season on the Vikings practice squad before he was released in January of this year.

In 40 career games (nine starts), the 6-foot-5, 295-pound Harris has produced 91 tackles, including seven for losses, one sack and seven quarterback hits. Harris recorded the bulk of those stats — 43 tackles and a sack — over 17 games and five starts for Denver in 2023.

Harris joined Chicago in 2019 as an undrafted free agent out of Lindenwood, which was a Division-II program at the time, and he stayed with the Bears until late October that season. Harris joined Denver soon thereafter and played 31 games for the Broncos through 2023.

Harris also had a brief stint with Miami and made seven appearances for Carolina in 2024.

The veteran DL rejoins a room that has added draft picks Caleb Banks and Domonique Orange, plus 28-year-old Isaiahh Loudermilk, among others, since his initial departure.

Still camp fodder. Exaggerating with camp fodder to make what point? When are final cuts?

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser
The stuff that I've read about Harbaugh was the Wilf's were very interested, but they thought it would be better in going with someone who was the opposite of Zimmer, personality wise.

Zimmer personality wise was a problem for the guys on offense.....mostly Kirk and the kicker.

No, Zimmer in general was the issue. Jeff is right, they went with a kumbaya type after Zimmer.

By almost all reports later in his tenure, Zimmer was a problem for the defensive players. He and Rhodes had a sideline blowup. Zimmer wanted the defensive backs in exact spots.

Yes Zimmer literally ran the highly touted Daniel Carlson out of Minnesota.

Zimmer didn't even get along with Spielman.

I think Carlson was later.....he wasn't the kicker that missed the playoff FG. (Blair Walsh)

Rhodes was toast if not done in zone coverage that year but when they found out Spielman and Zimmer didn't talk to each other they both were gone.

No Carlson was not later. Carlson was during Zimmer's reign... in fact, pretty close to smack dab in the middle of his reign. And Carlson of course did not miss a playoff FG because Zimmer released him in September of his rookie year.

Rhodes was a Pro Bowler the year of the blowup, but that was mostly based on reputation. But it didn't stop Zimmer from publicly saying Rhodes needed to live up to his contract.

So again, along with ragging on the D, not communicating with Spielman, Zimmer infected the team beyond mostly 'Kirk and the kicker' (Walsh for you, Carlson for me).

He became an authoritarian and it was definitely time to hire someone who could cool down the room.

Bump.

Phil, do you have an issue with what I just said here?

Or are you hoping your Blair Walsh tangent gains traction?

Both?

Which kicker did he ruin? Certainly not Carlson. Not sure how you can exaggerate away that.

First off, you didn't even know Carlson was in the Zimmer era!

Second, you come back with another loaded/veiled/misleading question, because you have nothing else.

Nobody besides YOU said Zimmer "ruined" any kicker. Carlson, as you've been spoon fed, became an All-Pro after he got away from Zimmer. Obviously you do not see the magnitude of that.

The point stands that Zimmer was an authoritarian, and you are hanging onto threads to say... who knows what exactly.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Well, Phil said the Dl was "fine" but if not (?) we can always sign a FA (because good talent is automatically out there in August). And we did!

The team announced Monday it signed defensive lineman Jonathan Harris and tight end Matt Lauter. Minnesota waived third-year defensive lineman Taki Taimani and rookie cornerback Tyreek Chappell with injury designations in corresponding moves.

The 30-year-old Harris originally signed with Minnesota in December 2024 and spent the 2025 season on the Vikings practice squad before he was released in January of this year.

In 40 career games (nine starts), the 6-foot-5, 295-pound Harris has produced 91 tackles, including seven for losses, one sack and seven quarterback hits. Harris recorded the bulk of those stats — 43 tackles and a sack — over 17 games and five starts for Denver in 2023.

Harris joined Chicago in 2019 as an undrafted free agent out of Lindenwood, which was a Division-II program at the time, and he stayed with the Bears until late October that season. Harris joined Denver soon thereafter and played 31 games for the Broncos through 2023.

Harris also had a brief stint with Miami and made seven appearances for Carolina in 2024.

The veteran DL rejoins a room that has added draft picks Caleb Banks and Domonique Orange, plus 28-year-old Isaiahh Loudermilk, among others, since his initial departure.

Still camp fodder. Exaggerating with camp fodder to make what point? When are final cuts?

Whew.

Strange logic, you say the DL is fine because we can always sign a FA to make it fine

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Teasley has zero ties to JJM.....it will be interesting to see what happens these last two-three weeks before the season starts.

Trade him away or rehab him?

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Well, Phil said the Dl was "fine" but if not (?) we can always sign a FA (because good talent is automatically out there in August). And we did!

The team announced Monday it signed defensive lineman Jonathan Harris and tight end Matt Lauter. Minnesota waived third-year defensive lineman Taki Taimani and rookie cornerback Tyreek Chappell with injury designations in corresponding moves.

The 30-year-old Harris originally signed with Minnesota in December 2024 and spent the 2025 season on the Vikings practice squad before he was released in January of this year.

In 40 career games (nine starts), the 6-foot-5, 295-pound Harris has produced 91 tackles, including seven for losses, one sack and seven quarterback hits. Harris recorded the bulk of those stats — 43 tackles and a sack — over 17 games and five starts for Denver in 2023.

Harris joined Chicago in 2019 as an undrafted free agent out of Lindenwood, which was a Division-II program at the time, and he stayed with the Bears until late October that season. Harris joined Denver soon thereafter and played 31 games for the Broncos through 2023.

Harris also had a brief stint with Miami and made seven appearances for Carolina in 2024.

The veteran DL rejoins a room that has added draft picks Caleb Banks and Domonique Orange, plus 28-year-old Isaiahh Loudermilk, among others, since his initial departure.

Still camp fodder. Exaggerating with camp fodder to make what point? When are final cuts?

Whew.

Strange logic, you say the DL is fine because we can always sign a FA to make it fine

Rash and exaggerate your point of view at all costs once again. Let’s draft two guys for the interior this year and last and not let it play out. . Oh and because that’s Bills POV that cap can’t be used during the last few weeks before the season starts.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser
The stuff that I've read about Harbaugh was the Wilf's were very interested, but they thought it would be better in going with someone who was the opposite of Zimmer, personality wise.

Zimmer personality wise was a problem for the guys on offense.....mostly Kirk and the kicker.

No, Zimmer in general was the issue. Jeff is right, they went with a kumbaya type after Zimmer.

By almost all reports later in his tenure, Zimmer was a problem for the defensive players. He and Rhodes had a sideline blowup. Zimmer wanted the defensive backs in exact spots.

Yes Zimmer literally ran the highly touted Daniel Carlson out of Minnesota.

Zimmer didn't even get along with Spielman.

I think Carlson was later.....he wasn't the kicker that missed the playoff FG. (Blair Walsh)

Rhodes was toast if not done in zone coverage that year but when they found out Spielman and Zimmer didn't talk to each other they both were gone.

No Carlson was not later. Carlson was during Zimmer's reign... in fact, pretty close to smack dab in the middle of his reign. And Carlson of course did not miss a playoff FG because Zimmer released him in September of his rookie year.

Rhodes was a Pro Bowler the year of the blowup, but that was mostly based on reputation. But it didn't stop Zimmer from publicly saying Rhodes needed to live up to his contract.

So again, along with ragging on the D, not communicating with Spielman, Zimmer infected the team beyond mostly 'Kirk and the kicker' (Walsh for you, Carlson for me).

He became an authoritarian and it was definitely time to hire someone who could cool down the room.

Bump.

Phil, do you have an issue with what I just said here?

Or are you hoping your Blair Walsh tangent gains traction?

Both?

Which kicker did he ruin? Certainly not Carlson. Not sure how you can exaggerate away that.

First off, you didn't even know Carlson was in the Zimmer era!

Second, you come back with another loaded/veiled/misleading question, because you have nothing else.

Nobody besides YOU said Zimmer "ruined" any kicker. Carlson, as you've been spoon fed, became an All-Pro after he got away from Zimmer. Obviously you do not see the magnitude of that.

The point stands that Zimmer was an authoritarian, and you are hanging onto threads to say... who knows what exactly.

lol says you. All I said is Blair was first. You really have to quit exaggerating your points.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Teasley has zero ties to JJM.....it will be interesting to see what happens these last two-three weeks before the season starts.

Trade him away or rehab him?

Thought O'Connell was the QB rehab guru?

JJM looks worse than he did when he arrived. Looks like an organization failure on a young qb to me.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Well, Phil said the Dl was "fine" but if not (?) we can always sign a FA (because good talent is automatically out there in August). And we did!

The team announced Monday it signed defensive lineman Jonathan Harris and tight end Matt Lauter. Minnesota waived third-year defensive lineman Taki Taimani and rookie cornerback Tyreek Chappell with injury designations in corresponding moves.

The 30-year-old Harris originally signed with Minnesota in December 2024 and spent the 2025 season on the Vikings practice squad before he was released in January of this year.

In 40 career games (nine starts), the 6-foot-5, 295-pound Harris has produced 91 tackles, including seven for losses, one sack and seven quarterback hits. Harris recorded the bulk of those stats — 43 tackles and a sack — over 17 games and five starts for Denver in 2023.

Harris joined Chicago in 2019 as an undrafted free agent out of Lindenwood, which was a Division-II program at the time, and he stayed with the Bears until late October that season. Harris joined Denver soon thereafter and played 31 games for the Broncos through 2023.

Harris also had a brief stint with Miami and made seven appearances for Carolina in 2024.

The veteran DL rejoins a room that has added draft picks Caleb Banks and Domonique Orange, plus 28-year-old Isaiahh Loudermilk, among others, since his initial departure.

Still camp fodder. Exaggerating with camp fodder to make what point? When are final cuts?

Whew.

Strange logic, you say the DL is fine because we can always sign a FA to make it fine

Rash and exaggerate your point of view at all costs once again. Let’s draft two guys for the interior this year and last and not let it play out. . Oh and because that’s Bills POV that cap can’t be used during the last few weeks before the season starts.

My premise all along is the DL is inexperienced. So who are these top DL players we can sign if the DL is not 'fine'?