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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/20/2025 1:40:35 AM

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Just because I was right about everything I said in regards to the game, doesn't mean I should have known beforehand all the problems associated to the QB position.

The hold on Cashman that wasn't called made sure the Eagles were in a position to win the game, had it been called, the Vikings might have changed the momentum and won the game. It is similar to the obvious facemask in the end zone on Darnold last year against the Rams, which made sure the Vikings didn't have a chance of coming back in that game.

I am all for seeing if JJ or Brosmer can improve the QB position.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/20/2025 2:00:21 AM

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By saying this game may have had a preferred winner, doesn't mean I am saying that every game has a preferred winner. I think it's just an occasional game, and it's not done in any pattern where a bettor could take advantage of it.

I said before the game I would have bet the Eagles (but not giving up the points, a money line bet), and I would have made money on the game. I have had some games in the past where I had bet money, and it felt like the officials were making sure I won the bet, and this game would have felt that way.

I think over 90% of games have no preferred winner, but if you lose a bet, you might feel like the refs were against you, because there is usually a balance of biased calls and no calls, and a bettor might only focus on the calls and no calls that went against their bet.

On occasion, there is a game where it appears there is a preferred winner, once in a great while, a team overcomes that, but it is very difficult. You probably need stellar QB play, and sometimes you have to score twice, overcome holding calls, and even overcome incorrect turnover calls.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/20/2025 6:41:46 AM

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I’m losing my religion..

JjM= never heathy
Harrison smith and Hockenson and Thielen and Arron Jones?

Complete waste of space and money.

Dallas turner and Ivan pace.. ( JJM) wasted draft picks..

Run defense? Suspect at best, any team has been able to stop Barkley..

After seeing Caron( my head is up my ass) Wentz implode, today.. just shot me..

Back up QB?

Barely capable journeymen or “I'm too gutless of a coach to try anything that might upset my game starter”.. clipboards holders

Why is Ty chandler getting paid?

Name one player at CB or safety that no one will throw at..everyone’s man crush of the past couple weeks was hot buttered toast for touchdowns, TWICE, today

Lbs?

Yea, no..Van Ginkle? Looks really good standing on the sidelines.. grenard made two plays.. pace, benched, turner, invisible, Wilson is just better than nothing..

OL had two or three legit starters and Brandel, ain’t one of them..

This is a team personnel decision disaster.

We are currently the worst team in our division.

Resigning KAM will be a decision the Wilfs regret

The Vikings have played 24 quarters of football and have been decisively been outplayed in all but 6 of them
And 4 of those were vs a lost Bengals squad
Flores defense continues to get exposed, KOCs red zone offense continues to blow
Bad/lean drafts have caused the team to rely heavily into FA, which never works as a way to build a team
Now they’re gonna put the pressure on JJ to “save” the season

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/20/2025 6:56:02 AM

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-Play calling in the RZ was awful.
-2nd and 1 at the 5 yard line and you call 3 pass plays?
-Terrible clock mgmnt on the last drive. No no huddle or urgency, with 6 minutes remaining you use up 4 minutes to kick a FG?
-48 pass plays vs 19 run. Asking Wentz to throw the ball 48 times was a foolish endeavor.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/20/2025 7:21:11 AM

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14-3

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/20/2025 8:29:47 AM

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Vikings second in turnovers since 2022

Oh yeah, KOC is a “genius”

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/20/2025 8:46:30 AM

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Resigning KAM will be a decision the Wilfs regret

As in future tense?

- He has no skill in drafting players. He treats draft picks like KOC treats timeouts, as if they are kryptonite.

- He has no skill in spending cap money wisely. When the checkbooks were unleashed after he finally cleaned up Spielman's mess the result is very little talent for over $300 million in new contracts and the team is already $37 million in the hole for next year with additional untold millions stashed in void years.

Keep him away from the draft room and keep him away from the cap stash. He can then refine his mumbo-jumbo word salad for his next job.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/20/2025 9:03:51 AM

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If other GMs looked at the team in an unbiased manner, what position group would they say offers the most potential for the mid-term, i.e. the next 2-4 years?

WR is the obvious call, although when Let's Get Paid does get paid that will be a lot of coin for he and Jefferson.

I would say the young late round/undrafted group at DL offers some hope, however little.

Oh, maybe Darrisaw and Jackson... so 2/5ths of an OL.

The cupboards are stocked but the expensive food is expired and pretty lousy.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/20/2025 9:10:04 AM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

If other GMs looked at the team in an unbiased manner, what position group would they say offers the most potential for the mid-term, i.e. the next 2-4 years?

WR is the obvious call, although when Let's Get Paid does get paid that will be a lot of coin for he and Jefferson.

I would say the young late round/undrafted group at DL offers some hope, however little.

Oh, maybe Darrisaw and Jackson... so 2/5ths of an OL.

The cupboards are stocked but the expensive food is expired and pretty lousy.

You gotta have a good quarterback to win. We don't have one, period. Our best option right now is Carson Wentz, who is a below average quarterback. He takes almost no risks and his better days are behind him. JJ McCarthy is stealing money. He'll be out of the league in 3-4 years.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/20/2025 9:14:38 AM

Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

If other GMs looked at the team in an unbiased manner, what position group would they say offers the most potential for the mid-term, i.e. the next 2-4 years?

WR is the obvious call, although when Let's Get Paid does get paid that will be a lot of coin for he and Jefferson.

I would say the young late round/undrafted group at DL offers some hope, however little.

Oh, maybe Darrisaw and Jackson... so 2/5ths of an OL.

The cupboards are stocked but the expensive food is expired and pretty lousy.

You gotta have a good quarterback to win. We don't have one, period. Our best option right now is Carson Wentz, who is a below average quarterback. He takes almost no risks and his better days are behind him. JJ McCarthy is stealing money. He'll be out of the league in 3-4 years.

After Darnold's multi-game shit show when the pressure was on, I was happy we didn't give him the big bucks so he could choke some more.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/20/2025 9:19:20 AM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

If other GMs looked at the team in an unbiased manner, what position group would they say offers the most potential for the mid-term, i.e. the next 2-4 years?

WR is the obvious call, although when Let's Get Paid does get paid that will be a lot of coin for he and Jefferson.

I would say the young late round/undrafted group at DL offers some hope, however little.

Oh, maybe Darrisaw and Jackson... so 2/5ths of an OL.

The cupboards are stocked but the expensive food is expired and pretty lousy.

You gotta have a good quarterback to win. We don't have one, period. Our best option right now is Carson Wentz, who is a below average quarterback. He takes almost no risks and his better days are behind him. JJ McCarthy is stealing money. He'll be out of the league in 3-4 years.

After Darnold's multi-game shit show when the pressure was on, I was happy we didn't give him the big bucks so he could choke some more.

Because of course, losing to Philly last year and the Rams was a total surprise, right? The guy went 14-3, largely without Darrisaw and the worst interior o-line ever assembled. I'll take that every season I am alive from now until death and be very happy. At least I had hope.

How quickly people forget just how bad that offensive line was in front of Darnold last year.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/20/2025 9:25:12 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

If other GMs looked at the team in an unbiased manner, what position group would they say offers the most potential for the mid-term, i.e. the next 2-4 years?

WR is the obvious call, although when Let's Get Paid does get paid that will be a lot of coin for he and Jefferson.

I would say the young late round/undrafted group at DL offers some hope, however little.

Oh, maybe Darrisaw and Jackson... so 2/5ths of an OL.

The cupboards are stocked but the expensive food is expired and pretty lousy.

You gotta have a good quarterback to win. We don't have one, period. Our best option right now is Carson Wentz, who is a below average quarterback. He takes almost no risks and his better days are behind him. JJ McCarthy is stealing money. He'll be out of the league in 3-4 years.

If anything Wentz is too risky.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/20/2025 9:25:41 AM

Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

If other GMs looked at the team in an unbiased manner, what position group would they say offers the most potential for the mid-term, i.e. the next 2-4 years?

WR is the obvious call, although when Let's Get Paid does get paid that will be a lot of coin for he and Jefferson.

I would say the young late round/undrafted group at DL offers some hope, however little.

Oh, maybe Darrisaw and Jackson... so 2/5ths of an OL.

The cupboards are stocked but the expensive food is expired and pretty lousy.

You gotta have a good quarterback to win. We don't have one, period. Our best option right now is Carson Wentz, who is a below average quarterback. He takes almost no risks and his better days are behind him. JJ McCarthy is stealing money. He'll be out of the league in 3-4 years.

After Darnold's multi-game shit show when the pressure was on, I was happy we didn't give him the big bucks so he could choke some more.

Because of course, losing to Philly last year and the Rams was a total surprise, right? The guy went 14-3, largely without Darrisaw. I'll take that every season I am alive from now until death and be very happy.

You and Marty should get together and form the "I am right" club. You both post incessantly about it. You both explicitly say it. At least you were forthright and said you won't stop with it until people here say you were right. Marty simply keeps saying it enough so as to have the last word (he was wrong BTW lol) which in his mind provides long sought after validation.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/20/2025 9:26:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

If other GMs looked at the team in an unbiased manner, what position group would they say offers the most potential for the mid-term, i.e. the next 2-4 years?

WR is the obvious call, although when Let's Get Paid does get paid that will be a lot of coin for he and Jefferson.

I would say the young late round/undrafted group at DL offers some hope, however little.

Oh, maybe Darrisaw and Jackson... so 2/5ths of an OL.

The cupboards are stocked but the expensive food is expired and pretty lousy.

You gotta have a good quarterback to win. We don't have one, period. Our best option right now is Carson Wentz, who is a below average quarterback. He takes almost no risks and his better days are behind him. JJ McCarthy is stealing money. He'll be out of the league in 3-4 years.

If anything Wentz is too risky.

He will never throw it into a crowd (intentionally). Sack or check down, every time.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/20/2025 9:27:31 AM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

If other GMs looked at the team in an unbiased manner, what position group would they say offers the most potential for the mid-term, i.e. the next 2-4 years?

WR is the obvious call, although when Let's Get Paid does get paid that will be a lot of coin for he and Jefferson.

I would say the young late round/undrafted group at DL offers some hope, however little.

Oh, maybe Darrisaw and Jackson... so 2/5ths of an OL.

The cupboards are stocked but the expensive food is expired and pretty lousy.

You gotta have a good quarterback to win. We don't have one, period. Our best option right now is Carson Wentz, who is a below average quarterback. He takes almost no risks and his better days are behind him. JJ McCarthy is stealing money. He'll be out of the league in 3-4 years.

After Darnold's multi-game shit show when the pressure was on, I was happy we didn't give him the big bucks so he could choke some more.

Because of course, losing to Philly last year and the Rams was a total surprise, right? The guy went 14-3, largely without Darrisaw. I'll take that every season I am alive from now until death and be very happy.

You and Marty should get together and form the "I am right" club. You both post incessantly about it. You both explicitly say it. At least you were forthright and said you won't stop with it until people here say you were right.

It's an easy ending to the conversation. Brad H was right.

I told you guys McCarthy was a bum on draft day. Absolutely hated the pick.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/20/2025 9:32:13 AM

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Wentz definitely holds onto it too long, but that 3rd down in the red zone late showed nothing open. Olson mentioned he held onto it, but these slow developing routes in the red zone aren't working. That quick out to Addison seems to work every time though.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/20/2025 9:36:41 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

If other GMs looked at the team in an unbiased manner, what position group would they say offers the most potential for the mid-term, i.e. the next 2-4 years?

WR is the obvious call, although when Let's Get Paid does get paid that will be a lot of coin for he and Jefferson.

I would say the young late round/undrafted group at DL offers some hope, however little.

Oh, maybe Darrisaw and Jackson... so 2/5ths of an OL.

The cupboards are stocked but the expensive food is expired and pretty lousy.

You gotta have a good quarterback to win. We don't have one, period. Our best option right now is Carson Wentz, who is a below average quarterback. He takes almost no risks and his better days are behind him. JJ McCarthy is stealing money. He'll be out of the league in 3-4 years.

After Darnold's multi-game shit show when the pressure was on, I was happy we didn't give him the big bucks so he could choke some more.

Because of course, losing to Philly last year and the Rams was a total surprise, right? The guy went 14-3, largely without Darrisaw. I'll take that every season I am alive from now until death and be very happy.

You and Marty should get together and form the "I am right" club. You both post incessantly about it. You both explicitly say it. At least you were forthright and said you won't stop with it until people here say you were right. Marty simply keeps saying it enough so as to have the last word (he was wrong BTW lol) which in his mind provides long sought after validation.

Ignore Trolls. Hopefully they go away.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/20/2025 9:37:48 AM

Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

If other GMs looked at the team in an unbiased manner, what position group would they say offers the most potential for the mid-term, i.e. the next 2-4 years?

WR is the obvious call, although when Let's Get Paid does get paid that will be a lot of coin for he and Jefferson.

I would say the young late round/undrafted group at DL offers some hope, however little.

Oh, maybe Darrisaw and Jackson... so 2/5ths of an OL.

The cupboards are stocked but the expensive food is expired and pretty lousy.

You gotta have a good quarterback to win. We don't have one, period. Our best option right now is Carson Wentz, who is a below average quarterback. He takes almost no risks and his better days are behind him. JJ McCarthy is stealing money. He'll be out of the league in 3-4 years.

After Darnold's multi-game shit show when the pressure was on, I was happy we didn't give him the big bucks so he could choke some more.

Because of course, losing to Philly last year and the Rams was a total surprise, right? The guy went 14-3, largely without Darrisaw. I'll take that every season I am alive from now until death and be very happy.

You and Marty should get together and form the "I am right" club. You both post incessantly about it. You both explicitly say it. At least you were forthright and said you won't stop with it until people here say you were right.

It's an easy ending to the conversation. Brad H was right.

I told you guys McCarthy was a bum on draft day.

You simply don't know.

I wasn't ecstatic about the pick and believed he would be a work in progress to see what we have. Still think the same, but IMO the evaluation will continue into year three of his tenure - if he is healthy - which isn't what was drawn up. The delays are the sucky part.

You COULD let it play out but you're another one with some type of insecurity. To demand people say you are right in order to stop being a one-trick pony poster? Who does that??

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/20/2025 9:39:04 AM

Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

If other GMs looked at the team in an unbiased manner, what position group would they say offers the most potential for the mid-term, i.e. the next 2-4 years?

WR is the obvious call, although when Let's Get Paid does get paid that will be a lot of coin for he and Jefferson.

I would say the young late round/undrafted group at DL offers some hope, however little.

Oh, maybe Darrisaw and Jackson... so 2/5ths of an OL.

The cupboards are stocked but the expensive food is expired and pretty lousy.

You gotta have a good quarterback to win. We don't have one, period. Our best option right now is Carson Wentz, who is a below average quarterback. He takes almost no risks and his better days are behind him. JJ McCarthy is stealing money. He'll be out of the league in 3-4 years.

After Darnold's multi-game shit show when the pressure was on, I was happy we didn't give him the big bucks so he could choke some more.

Because of course, losing to Philly last year and the Rams was a total surprise, right? The guy went 14-3, largely without Darrisaw. I'll take that every season I am alive from now until death and be very happy.

You and Marty should get together and form the "I am right" club. You both post incessantly about it. You both explicitly say it. At least you were forthright and said you won't stop with it until people here say you were right. Marty simply keeps saying it enough so as to have the last word (he was wrong BTW lol) which in his mind provides long sought after validation.

Ignore Trolls. Hopefully they go away.

True.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/20/2025 9:42:46 AM

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Lots of frustration over yesterday, given that the Eagles were so thoroughly beatable.

Wentz, the 12 year veteran, made rookie mistakes. The pick 6 was from tunnel visioning JJ. The second int was just a dumb as ass terrible decision. Well outside the pocket, just throw the damn thing away instead of putting it up for grabs where they outnumber us. The intentional grounding was just WTF. He had the open receiver and didn't pull the trigger. Rather than chuck it through the back of the end zone, he buries it at his linemen's feet.

JJ? Something tells me if that pass play had been anywhere, but in the end zone he would catch it 100 times out of 100. It just seems like his drops happen in the end zone.

KOC, after the JJ drop with 3rd and 1 opts to go for the end zone rather than pick up the first and get a fresh set of downs at the 5 or closer.

Hock. Sorry man. Under the rules, you didn't maintain control through contact with the ground.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/20/2025 9:53:37 AM

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Because of course, losing to Philly last year and the Rams was a total surprise, right? The guy went 14-3, largely without Darrisaw and the worst interior o-line ever assembled. I'll take that every season I am alive from now until death and be very happy.

Your reaction to the 2022 season says otherwise.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/20/2025 10:00:07 AM

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WRT signing a QB this past offseason, the strategy (if there was one) was geared to benefiting from the rookie wage scale at QB and using the cap elsewhere (duh). So besides the drafted QB panning out, you have to also hit on the signed players.

JJM is still a question mark, but it is becoming clear Kwesi more or less threw away that cap savings and more. Other GMs were surprised with Hargrave's contract numbers but that was small potatoes to what they thought about Allen's contract. Kelly was a risk with his concussion background. Murphy obviously has pics of Kwesi with sheep.

Looks like we will be in limbo for a while. Oh sorry... rah, rah go team!

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/20/2025 10:41:58 AM

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Bill, I am right about this, and don't need any of your validation, you simply showed yourself to be simple minded. And it's ok to be simple minded, just accept it and use what you have. It is you that seems to seek the last word, and a need to put down others, perhaps you're the one yearning for validation, and that wouldn't be a surprise. A lot of people probably think you're a dick.

I won't bring up the Cashman hold any more, but I will respond if others bring it up, and if Bill attempts to throw childish insults at me about it.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/20/2025 10:42:00 AM

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 10/20/2025 10:46:20 AM

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Bill, I am right about this, and don't need any of your validation, you simply showed yourself to be simple minded. And it's ok to be simple minded, just accept it and use what you have. It is you that seems to seek the last word, and a need to put down others, perhaps you're the one yearning for validation, and that wouldn't be a surprise. A lot of people probably think you're a dick.

I won't bring up the Cashman hold any more, but I will respond if others bring it up, and if Bill attempts to throw childish insults at me about it.

Hey knock yourself out. Sorry you were wrong about Cashman but it's ok as we all make mistakes. I certainly have and have been off base on a variety of other things.