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ORIGINAL: timz
My two cents, it's all it's worth. I'm hearing a lot from friends "so and so sat for a year or two before he played why not let JJ sit?" Simple answer he was not drafted tenth overall to sit, he was to lead this team. Got hurt the first year but was anointed the starter in this years preseason and some QB's that are playing pretty well elsewhere were let go or passed on. The disappointment is easy to understand because he hasn't lived up to all the hype surrounding his draft.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: timz
My two cents, it's all it's worth. I'm hearing a lot from friends "so and so sat for a year or two before he played why not let JJ sit?" Simple answer he was not drafted tenth overall to sit, he was to lead this team. Got hurt the first year but was anointed the starter in this years preseason and some QB's that are playing pretty well elsewhere were let go or passed on. The disappointment is easy to understand because he hasn't lived up to all the hype surrounding his draft.

TBH I wouldn't mind JJ sitting a week or two more; Id rather see Brosmer than Wentz though.
I compare it to the SF 49ers when they drafted Lance a few years ago. It ended up that the 7th rounder was the better QB.
We have another year or two of the cheap QBs but we have to find out by year end if they have it. Otherwise it is a shit design.....still the main reason we wanted Jones over Darnold. It being the intangibles to win in playoff/elimination time.

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If other GMs looked at the team in an unbiased manner, what position group would they say offers the most potential for the mid-term, i.e. the next 2-4 years?

WR is the obvious call, although when Let's Get Paid does get paid that will be a lot of coin for he and Jefferson.

I would say the young late round/undrafted group at DL offers some hope, however little.

Oh, maybe Darrisaw and Jackson... so 2/5ths of an OL.


The cupboards are stocked but the expensive food is expired and pretty lousy.

You gotta have a good quarterback to win. We don't have one, period. Our best option right now is Carson Wentz, who is a below average quarterback. He takes almost no risks and his better days are behind him. JJ McCarthy is stealing money. He'll be out of the league in 3-4 years.

After Darnold's multi-game shit show when the pressure was on, I was happy we didn't give him the big bucks so he could choke some more.

Because of course, losing to Philly last year and the Rams was a total surprise, right? The guy went 14-3, largely without Darrisaw and the worst interior o-line ever assembled. I'll take that every season I am alive from now until death and be very happy. At least I had hope.

How quickly people forget just how bad that offensive line was in front of Darnold last year.

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

If other GMs looked at the team in an unbiased manner, what position group would they say offers the most potential for the mid-term, i.e. the next 2-4 years?

WR is the obvious call, although when Let's Get Paid does get paid that will be a lot of coin for he and Jefferson.

I would say the young late round/undrafted group at DL offers some hope, however little.

Oh, maybe Darrisaw and Jackson... so 2/5ths of an OL.


The cupboards are stocked but the expensive food is expired and pretty lousy.

You gotta have a good quarterback to win. We don't have one, period. Our best option right now is Carson Wentz, who is a below average quarterback. He takes almost no risks and his better days are behind him. JJ McCarthy is stealing money. He'll be out of the league in 3-4 years.

After Darnold's multi-game shit show when the pressure was on, I was happy we didn't give him the big bucks so he could choke some more.

Because of course, losing to Philly last year and the Rams was a total surprise, right? The guy went 14-3, largely without Darrisaw and the worst interior o-line ever assembled. I'll take that every season I am alive from now until death and be very happy. At least I had hope.

How quickly people forget just how bad that offensive line was in front of Darnold last year.

I haven't! I would also be happy to have Bradford over anything we've seen so far.

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I don't quite understand why Brosmer would "likely be a major downgrade for Justin Jefferson and the rest of the Minnesota pass catchers against a solid Chargers secondary."

It's possible, but it's also possible Brosmer does all right having weapons like JJ and Addison against a Charger 2ndary that just gave up 5 TDs to Matthew Stafford.

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I don't quite understand why Brosmer would "likely be a major downgrade for Justin Jefferson and the rest of the Minnesota pass catchers against a solid Chargers secondary."

It's possible, but it's also possible Brosmer does all right having weapons like JJ and Addison against a Charger 2ndary that just gave up 5 TDs to Matthew Stafford.

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The latest from Kevin Seifert:

Vikings head coach Kevin O’Connell said J.J. McCarthy (ankle) doesn’t need to be “130 percent” to see game action.
A month and a half after McCarthy injured his ankle and a month after he shed his walking boot, O’Connell is still speaking indirectly about how McCarthy might get back on the field in 2025. He said Tuesday that the QB has to be able to “do his job for 60 minutes without having any setbacks” before he’s under center again. When that might be is anyone’s guess as the Vikings play rhetorical games with McCarthy’s status after his abysmal start to the season. Carson Wentz (shoulder) is expected to start the team’s Week 8 game against the Chargers, and Max Brosmer is expected to serve as the backup.



This whole thing is getting weirder by the day. I'm telling you, he ain't hurt!

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Anybody else starting to think McCarthy isn't hurt? Honest answers please. Stick to the subject.

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Anybody else starting to think McCarthy isn't hurt? Honest answers please. Stick to the subject.

Those that don't answer are more-or-less admitting they agree with me.

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Anybody else starting to think McCarthy isn't hurt? Honest answers please. Stick to the subject.

Those that don't answer are more-or-less admitting they agree with me.

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Anybody else starting to think McCarthy isn't hurt? Honest answers please. Stick to the subject.

Those that don't answer are more-or-less admitting they agree with me.

1. Enough with your conspiracy theory
2. Not answering a ridiculous question is not admitting they agree with you. That's utter nonsense. They could be completely indifferent to you argument. they could feel it isn't worth their time to respond. Pure unadulterated nonsense to claim people who do not respond agree with you.

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Stafford >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Brosmer.

Stafford is a QB destined for the HOF. Brosmer is an undrafted rookie with about 6 snaps in two appearances.

That is a really dumb comparison.

I like Brosmer a lot, He has skills that may be good, but he is NOT some savior in waiting. There is a reason he went undrafted.

Yes, that is a dumb comparison, it was not the comparison I was making.

Phil, understood the comparison was between Wentz and Brosmer in the Vikings system. And Phil made a good point that Brosmer wouldn't know the check downs like Wentz. Agreed, but Brosmer making better reads and throws, and better decisions in the pocket, might offset some of that, and lead to a productive day for the offense.

My point regarding Stafford getting 5 TDs on that 2ndary just a few days ago, means it can be beat with good passing decisions and throws.

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Thielen so far, 5 catches for 47 yards.

The Vikings sent a 2026 fifth-round pick and a 2027 fourth-round pick to the Panthers, who, in return, traded Thielen along with a conditional 2026 seventh-round pick and a 2027 fifth-round pick. Thielen, a native of Minnesota, played the first 10 seasons of his career with the Vikings before signing with the Panthers as a free agent in 2023.

Basically Kwesi threw away a 4th. As I said, draft picks are his kryptonite.

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Thielen so far, 5 catches for 47 yards.

The Vikings sent a 2026 fifth-round pick and a 2027 fourth-round pick to the Panthers, who, in return, traded Thielen along with a conditional 2026 seventh-round pick and a 2027 fifth-round pick. Thielen, a native of Minnesota, played the first 10 seasons of his career with the Vikings before signing with the Panthers as a free agent in 2023.

Basically Kwesi threw away a 4th. As I said, draft picks are his kryptonite.

the precipitous drop in production isn't hard to understand. He is older now, but was still pretty productive when healthy the last two years. Now, age, combined with his position on the depth chart below JJ, Addison and Speedy....well, he's probably retiring after this season anyway....but I would have liked more production out of him. but with the aforementioned WRs, TJ Hockenson, Josh Oliver, and RBs out of the backfield if his age is keeping him from getting more open like he used to...it's easy to see why he's not putting up the numbers.