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RE: 2026 NFL Draft - 4/25/2026 8:37:06 AM

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Can the T-Rex turn into a guard ?

From what I read, Tiernan was a Top 60 guy. We probably like the position flexible part of it.

Never missed a game. We need more of those. lol

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RE: 2026 NFL Draft - 4/25/2026 8:40:15 AM

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I liked the Thomas pick best so far. In a I don't know these guys until they're picked and looking at their highlights for the 1st time kind of way.

If you want to compare Toledo guy and Thomas, who is Toledo guy playing against and who is Miami playing against? And they both made a lot of plays last year.

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RE: 2026 NFL Draft - 4/25/2026 8:42:10 AM

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Greenard. Hoped it would have been Philly's #68 instead of #98. But if he played out his contract, Turner would (probably) eat into his stats and he'd be 30 hitting free agency. Unlikely to draw a big enough contract to significantly help get a comp pick. So we sort of get two very high comp picks and clear $44M in cap off the next two seasons for a guy wanting more money. Kind of a win. If he had a great 2025 season perhaps a 2nd could have been in play.

Plus we have an additional top 100 pick in what is supposed to be a great draft next year.

Think of it from the Philly fan perspective: Wait, we just gave up two Day 2 picks for some guy who will be 29 next month and had 3 sacks? AND signed him for $100M with $50M guaranteed?

Love the Big Citrus pick mainly as far as the position. Hedge, platoon guy, whatever. Perfect world he plays NT flanked by Banks and Redmond. Rotate with the other guys.

Golday seems like the BPA, production type player the regime talked about.

Yep. We got a decent return for a guy who wanted a big financial commitment that we couldn't do.

From what I read this morning, Golday is a perfect fit for BFlo's defense.

The lack of production is concerning with the two big boys but our DLine coach turned UDFA and UFL guy Redmond into a borderline pro bowler and unknown LDR into a serviceable DLineman.

I was actually hoping to take a flyer on CB McCoy with Philly pick but teams must be convinced his knee is in bad shape. BFlo and KOC's refusal to upgrade CBs is concerning.

They liked some CBs later and signed Pierre. The kid the had in for a top 30 maybe? Malik Muhammad (CB, Texas)

But we have no 4th round pick. Will Muhammed be around till 5th when we pick?

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RE: 2026 NFL Draft - 4/25/2026 8:43:34 AM

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I suppose the silver linning view is, they got what they perceived as their favorite value in the first, solid value with Goldsy Tiernan, consensus value with big citrus, and a safety they couldnt wait for the 5th rd for.

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RE: 2026 NFL Draft - 4/25/2026 8:49:20 AM

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Greenard. Hoped it would have been Philly's #68 instead of #98. But if he played out his contract, Turner would (probably) eat into his stats and he'd be 30 hitting free agency. Unlikely to draw a big enough contract to significantly help get a comp pick. So we sort of get two very high comp picks and clear $44M in cap off the next two seasons for a guy wanting more money. Kind of a win. If he had a great 2025 season perhaps a 2nd could have been in play.

Plus we have an additional top 100 pick in what is supposed to be a great draft next year.

Think of it from the Philly fan perspective: Wait, we just gave up two Day 2 picks for some guy who will be 29 next month and had 3 sacks? AND signed him for $100M with $50M guaranteed?

Love the Big Citrus pick mainly as far as the position. Hedge, platoon guy, whatever. Perfect world he plays NT flanked by Banks and Redmond. Rotate with the other guys.

Golday seems like the BPA, production type player the regime talked about.

Yep. We got a decent return for a guy who wanted a big financial commitment that we couldn't do.

From what I read this morning, Golday is a perfect fit for BFlo's defense.

The lack of production is concerning with the two big boys but our DLine coach turned UDFA and UFL guy Redmond into a borderline pro bowler and unknown LDR into a serviceable DLineman.

I was actually hoping to take a flyer on CB McCoy with Philly pick but teams must be convinced his knee is in bad shape. BFlo and KOC's refusal to upgrade CBs is concerning.

They liked some CBs later and signed Pierre. The kid the had in for a top 30 maybe? Malik Muhammad (CB, Texas)

But we have no 4th round pick. Will Muhammed be around till 5th when we pick?

No idea but you can see what they are focused on. They will probably draft another safety. Lots of TEs left and RBs are dropping.

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RE: 2026 NFL Draft - 4/25/2026 8:55:04 AM

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I liked the Thomas pick best so far. In a I don't know these guys until they're picked and looking at their highlights for the 1st time kind of way.

If you want to compare Toledo guy and Thomas, who is Toledo guy playing against and who is Miami playing against? And they both made a lot of plays last year.

Thats a stretch.

Competition matters.

Nobody is comparing Miami with Toledo.

But 99.9% of opinion projects toledo guy as a much better pro.

Both opinion and projection are imperfect.

It wasn’t a choice between the two, no need to justify anything.

EDIT: I’m arguing from a position of ignorance. Sometimes rankings simply dont matter if the team is convinced otherwise.

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RE: 2026 NFL Draft - 4/25/2026 9:03:11 AM

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Just read Thomas had 76 total tackles, 4 TFL, 3.5 sacks, 5 Int, 6 PD, and 2 FF last year

Sounds perfect for Flores.

From Seifert, ESPN: Thomas' versatility was most interesting to the Vikings. He had five interceptions and allowed only one touchdown in coverage last season at Miami, where he spent one season after beginning college at Middle Tennessee State and then moving to Tennessee. He also had 10 quarterback pressures.

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RE: 2026 NFL Draft - 4/25/2026 9:24:56 AM

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How does a guy with that big time performance get valued so lowly?

Thomas got lost in the shuffle somehow.

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RE: 2026 NFL Draft - 4/25/2026 9:54:24 AM

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How does a guy with that big time performance get valued so lowly?

Thomas got lost in the shuffle somehow.

What little I read didn't have much in the way of weaknesses but they are there. He'll be 23 in a couple of months.

There are also writeups like this one for the OL pick where the stat is supposedly positive:

Key stat: Tiernan made significant improvement over the course of his career. According to ESPN Research, he allowed 24 pressures and 31 blown blocks during the 2023 season. He allowed fewer of both over the next two seasons combined: 20 pressures and 29 blown blocks.

All I see is that he improved from being at the bottom of the trash heap... to the middle?

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RE: 2026 NFL Draft - 4/25/2026 10:15:46 AM

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I liked the Thomas pick best so far. In a I don't know these guys until they're picked and looking at their highlights for the 1st time kind of way.

If you want to compare Toledo guy and Thomas, who is Toledo guy playing against and who is Miami playing against? And they both made a lot of plays last year.

Thats a stretch.

Competition matters.

Nobody is comparing Miami with Toledo.

But 99.9% of opinion projects toledo guy as a much better pro.

Both opinion and projection are imperfect.

It wasn’t a choice between the two, no need to justify anything.

EDIT: I’m arguing from a position of ignorance. Sometimes rankings simply dont matter if the team is convinced otherwise.

I'll have to admit I'm a glass half full hypocrite. Today I would be touting the steal we got at 49 with Toledo safety if it had happened.

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RE: 2026 NFL Draft - 4/25/2026 10:44:29 AM

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I liked the Thomas pick best so far. In a I don't know these guys until they're picked and looking at their highlights for the 1st time kind of way.

If you want to compare Toledo guy and Thomas, who is Toledo guy playing against and who is Miami playing against? And they both made a lot of plays last year.

Thats a stretch.

Competition matters.

Nobody is comparing Miami with Toledo.

But 99.9% of opinion projects toledo guy as a much better pro.

Both opinion and projection are imperfect.

It wasn’t a choice between the two, no need to justify anything.

EDIT: I’m arguing from a position of ignorance. Sometimes rankings simply dont matter if the team is convinced otherwise.

I'll have to admit I'm a glass half full hypocrite. Today I would be touting the steal we got at 49 with Toledo safety if it had happened.

LOL

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RE: 2026 NFL Draft - 4/25/2026 10:53:13 AM

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Overall I liked day 2 a lot more.

I really liked that they went for players in the trenches early.

Went back and re-watched Caleb Banks highlights, if he can stay healthy he's going to be a game wrecker.

I thought we got good value for Grenard, all things considered. Getting that 2027 3rd is gold, next years draft is supposes to be stacked.

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RE: 2026 NFL Draft - 4/25/2026 11:46:45 AM

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Just read Thomas had 76 total tackles, 4 TFL, 3.5 sacks, 5 Int, 6 PD, and 2 FF last year Sounds perfect for Flores.

From Seifert, ESPN: Thomas' versatility was most interesting to the Vikings. He had five interceptions and allowed only one touchdown in coverage last season at Miami, where he spent one season after beginning college at Middle Tennessee State and then moving to Tennessee. He also had 10 quarterback pressures.

• Good size and length to contest catches and disrupt throwing windows downfield.
• Reliable ball skills with soft hands; four career picks before arriving at Miami.
• Reads quarterback eyes well in zone and breaks on the ball with good timing.
• Comfortable operating in multiple coverages, from two-high to single-high to robber looks.
• NC State tape shows he can recognize route concepts early and jump throws underneath.
• Processes information quickly in coverage and finds throwing lanes to sit in.
• Has played in four different defensive systems and picked up each one without issue.

Thomas' combination of size, instincts, and ball skills checks boxes that defensive coordinators desperately need when constructing their back end, particularly as offenses continue spreading the field and attacking vertically. The guy can cover, plain and simple. He reads routes, breaks on throws, and makes plays on the football with consistency that shows up when you dig into the numbers. NFL teams looking for a safety who can actually play in space and handle coverage responsibilities will see a player with legitimate starting potential if the tackling issues get cleaned up. The missed tackles are a real concern and can't be dismissed, but they're also coachable problems involving angles and technique rather than a lack of effort or competitiveness. Thomas plays willing in run support even if the results haven't always been there.

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RE: 2026 NFL Draft - 4/25/2026 11:48:05 AM

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I was wondering if Thomas needed to get a little stronger and then I looked and seen his combine results and it was 29 reps which was first in his class.

Really digging this pick.

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RE: 2026 NFL Draft - 4/25/2026 12:11:12 PM

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Here's the prognosis on Banks foot injury. Bear in mind a broken 4th metatarsal is nothing compared to blown out knee ligaments or a broken leg. "A fourth metatarsal break typically has an excellent prognosis, usually healing within 6–8 weeks with conservative treatment, such as a stiff-soled shoe, boot, or cast. While healing can take up to 12 weeks for full strength, most patients return to normal activity within 4–6 months, assuming the bone is not significantly displaced." I suspect Banks didn't give the initial injury proper time to heal and reinjured it trying to get drafted as high as possible. I'm sure the Viking's med staff will be more conservative in his recovery this time around.

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RE: 2026 NFL Draft - 4/25/2026 12:13:20 PM

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Thomas sounds like a future Pro Bowler to me

I am more excited about a guy that falls through the cracks that the Vikings get in the 3rd round, compared to the odds of hitting a similar player in the late 4th or 5th round.

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RE: 2026 NFL Draft - 4/25/2026 12:28:50 PM 1 votes

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So it's just the 2 4th metatarsal breaks and 2 surgeries we're talking here wrt Banks? To me 'a history' would have meant a 3rd foot problem.

This is nothing. The 4th metatarsal is the 'barely an inconvenience ' break if anything. Metatarsalistically speaking.

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RE: 2026 NFL Draft - 4/25/2026 12:31:32 PM

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Here's the prognosis on Banks foot injury. Bear in mind a broken 4th metatarsal is nothing compared to blown out knee ligaments or a broken leg. "A fourth metatarsal break typically has an excellent prognosis, usually healing within 6–8 weeks with conservative treatment, such as a stiff-soled shoe, boot, or cast. While healing can take up to 12 weeks for full strength, most patients return to normal activity within 4–6 months, assuming the bone is not significantly displaced." I suspect Banks didn't give the initial injury proper time to heal and reinjured it trying to get drafted as high as possible. I'm sure the Viking's med staff will be more conservative in his recovery this time around.

While healing can take up to 12 weeks for full strength, most patients return to normal activity within 4–6 months, assuming the bone is not significantly displaced.

So up to 12 weeks for full strength, but most patients return to normal activity within 16-24 weeks?

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RE: 2026 NFL Draft - 4/25/2026 12:41:46 PM

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So it's just the 2 4th metatarsal breaks and 2 surgeries we're talking here wrt Banks? To me 'a history' would have meant a 3rd foot problem.

This is nothing. The 4th metatarsal is the 'barely an inconvenience ' break if anything. Metatarsalistically speaking.

It's open for interpretation but IMO he has an injury history with his left foot. And he says he wants to play at 310-315 to reduce further stress.

Injured left foot during 2025 spring practices and wore a boot for a few weeks;

Foot then “fully snapped” during fall camp, which forced him to sit out first two games of 2025 season.

Returned for LSU game but reaggravated the injury.

Needed surgery (returned for final two games).

Fractured fourth metatarsal in left foot the night before on-field testing at NFL combine (didn’t realize it until midway through on-field drills).

Underwent surgery (March 2026), which will sideline him until June 2026.

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RE: 2026 NFL Draft - 4/25/2026 12:58:38 PM

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We got a pair of Caleb's, a pair of Jakes. We need another Dom.

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RE: 2026 NFL Draft - 4/25/2026 1:01:05 PM

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Domini Jackson. CB.

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RE: 2026 NFL Draft - 4/25/2026 1:15:26 PM

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Domini Jackson. CB.

That would be so funny.

If he's the pick, we'll never hear the end of it.

Deservedly.

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RE: 2026 NFL Draft - 4/25/2026 1:23:25 PM

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Love the writeups for one-dimensional late rounders. World class speed, takes the top off defenses, but lead the nation in drops and never heard of a route tree.

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RE: 2026 NFL Draft - 4/25/2026 1:36:27 PM

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Love the writeups for one-dimensional late rounders. World class speed, takes the top off defenses, but lead the nation in drops and never heard of a route tree.

The Williamson type at least they weren’t picked in the first

. I don’t know if it was talked about much but as bad of a pick and bust Treadwell was he made it thru his 10th year last year.

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RE: 2026 NFL Draft - 4/25/2026 1:37:45 PM

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Emmitt Johnson or Clairborne? Thor said the vikes really like Clairborne for his speed.

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