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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Never looked at the Twins logo until the other day but what is with the imbedded Reds C?

Yeah, yeah, Twin Cities.

Why not make it one city? I don't see the Seattle-Tacoma Whoevers.

A makeover is needed. The Reds should sue.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Never looked at the Twins logo until the other day but what is with the imbedded Reds C?

Yeah, yeah, Twin Cities.

Why not make it one city? I don't see the Seattle-Tacoma Whoevers.

A makeover is needed. The Reds should sue.

That post could be one of Matt's.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Never looked at the Twins logo until the other day but what is with the imbedded Reds C?

Yeah, yeah, Twin Cities.

Why not make it one city? I don't see the Seattle-Tacoma Whoevers.

A makeover is needed. The Reds should sue.

That post could be one of Matt's.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Never looked at the Twins logo until the other day but what is with the imbedded Reds C?

Yeah, yeah, Twin Cities.

Why not make it one city? I don't see the Seattle-Tacoma Whoevers.

A makeover is needed. The Reds should sue.

That post could be one of Matt's.

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Never looked at the Twins logo until the other day but what is with the imbedded Reds C?

Yeah, yeah, Twin Cities.

Why not make it one city? I don't see the Seattle-Tacoma Whoevers.

A makeover is needed. The Reds should sue.

That post could be one of Matt's.

Worse than any take I've ever had on any subject.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Never looked at the Twins logo until the other day but what is with the imbedded Reds C?

Yeah, yeah, Twin Cities.

Why not make it one city? I don't see the Seattle-Tacoma Whoevers.

A makeover is needed. The Reds should sue.

That post could be one of Matt's.

Worse than any take I've ever had on any subject.

I wouldn't go quite that far...

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

1. Johan Santana 226.78
2. Bert Blyleven 189.49
3. Brad Radke 157.30
4. Joe Nathan 139.23
5. Jim Perry 86.33
6. Frank Viola 80.35
7. Rick Aguilera 73.46
8. Camilo Pascual 60.26
9. Matt Guerrier 58.98
10. Sonny Gray
11. Kevin Tapani 49.34
12. Dave Goltz 48.73
13. Jhoan Duran 47.69
14. Scott Baker 46.77
15. Doug Corbett 45.92
16. Jack Kralick 45.67
17. Al Worthington 42.37
18. Juan Berenguer 41.98
19. Joe Ryan 39.92
20. Taylor Rogers 39.81
21. Jerry Koosman 38.97
22. Dean Chance 38.17
23. Pablo López 35.12
24. Ervin Santana 34.98
25. Eddie Guardado 33.35
26. Juan Rincón 31.31
27. José Berríos 31.11
28. Caleb Thielbar 30.19
29. Greg Swindell 30.02
30. Bill Campbell 29.94
31. Tom Hall 28.90
32. Jim Merritt 28.53
33. Pat Neshek 27.57

Very interesting list. Somewhat surprisingly, Jim Kaat and Glen Perkins do not make the Top 33.

https://library.fangraphs.com/misc/re24/

RE24 (or run expectancy based on the 24 base-out states) may sound like a computer error or a random assortment of letters and numbers, but the actual logic and mechanisms behind the statistic make it extremely useful for fans and analysts. It is based on the concept of run expectancy, which provides the average number of expected runs per inning given the current number of outs and placement of baserunners. The number “24” refers to the potential number of base-out states (zero, one, two outs and eight different baserunner arrangements).

Since run expectancy tells you the number of expected runs, any number of runs created above or below that value can be treated as runs above or below average for the batter or pitcher depending on the outcome of each plate appearance. Unlike wRAA, wRC, or Batting Runs, RE24 is context-dependent and assigns more credit for hits with men on base than with the bases empty. With league average set to 0, hitters with positive RE24 are creating more runs than we would expect given the situations they have been placed in and pitchers with positive numbers are preventing more runs than average given the situations in which they have been placed.

I like this stat. It shows how effective a pitcher is when there is more importance on getting an out or getting out of an inning (runners on base and # of outs in the inning are both factored in).

Thielbar does well here because he's often put into "tight spots," but usually with a lefty vs lefty pitcher advantage. I'm more impressed with the starting pitchers that excel in this stat. Radke ranks very high. He clearly had an ability to bear down. It also makes sense that he gave up many of his runs on solo HR, which is what he was really remembered for.

I'm a little shocked at how high Guerrier ranks. Not surprised Bob Wells isn't on the list.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

1. Johan Santana 226.78
2. Bert Blyleven 189.49
3. Brad Radke 157.30
4. Joe Nathan 139.23
5. Jim Perry 86.33
6. Frank Viola 80.35
7. Rick Aguilera 73.46
8. Camilo Pascual 60.26
9. Matt Guerrier 58.98
10. Sonny Gray
11. Kevin Tapani 49.34
12. Dave Goltz 48.73
13. Jhoan Duran 47.69
14. Scott Baker 46.77
15. Doug Corbett 45.92
16. Jack Kralick 45.67
17. Al Worthington 42.37
18. Juan Berenguer 41.98
19. Joe Ryan 39.92
20. Taylor Rogers 39.81
21. Jerry Koosman 38.97
22. Dean Chance 38.17
23. Pablo López 35.12
24. Ervin Santana 34.98
25. Eddie Guardado 33.35
26. Juan Rincón 31.31
27. José Berríos 31.11
28. Caleb Thielbar 30.19
29. Greg Swindell 30.02
30. Bill Campbell 29.94
31. Tom Hall 28.90
32. Jim Merritt 28.53
33. Pat Neshek 27.57

Very interesting list. Somewhat surprisingly, Jim Kaat and Glen Perkins do not make the Top 33.

https://library.fangraphs.com/misc/re24/

RE24 (or run expectancy based on the 24 base-out states) may sound like a computer error or a random assortment of letters and numbers, but the actual logic and mechanisms behind the statistic make it extremely useful for fans and analysts. It is based on the concept of run expectancy, which provides the average number of expected runs per inning given the current number of outs and placement of baserunners. The number “24” refers to the potential number of base-out states (zero, one, two outs and eight different baserunner arrangements).

Since run expectancy tells you the number of expected runs, any number of runs created above or below that value can be treated as runs above or below average for the batter or pitcher depending on the outcome of each plate appearance. Unlike wRAA, wRC, or Batting Runs, RE24 is context-dependent and assigns more credit for hits with men on base than with the bases empty. With league average set to 0, hitters with positive RE24 are creating more runs than we would expect given the situations they have been placed in and pitchers with positive numbers are preventing more runs than average given the situations in which they have been placed.

I like this stat. It shows how effective a pitcher is when there is more importance on getting an out or getting out of an inning (runners on base and # of outs in the inning are both factored in).

Thielbar does well here because he's often put into "tight spots," but usually with a lefty vs lefty pitcher advantage. I'm more impressed with the starting pitchers that excel in this stat. Radke ranks very high. He clearly had an ability to bear down. It also makes sense that he gave up many of his runs on solo HR, which is what he was really remembered for.

I'm a little shocked at how high Guerrier ranks. Not surprised Bob Wells isn't on the list.

this is what I call the very definition of over analyzing shit

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: twinsfan

1. Johan Santana 226.78
2. Bert Blyleven 189.49
3. Brad Radke 157.30
4. Joe Nathan 139.23
5. Jim Perry 86.33
6. Frank Viola 80.35
7. Rick Aguilera 73.46
8. Camilo Pascual 60.26
9. Matt Guerrier 58.98
10. Sonny Gray
11. Kevin Tapani 49.34
12. Dave Goltz 48.73
13. Jhoan Duran 47.69
14. Scott Baker 46.77
15. Doug Corbett 45.92
16. Jack Kralick 45.67
17. Al Worthington 42.37
18. Juan Berenguer 41.98
19. Joe Ryan 39.92
20. Taylor Rogers 39.81
21. Jerry Koosman 38.97
22. Dean Chance 38.17
23. Pablo López 35.12
24. Ervin Santana 34.98
25. Eddie Guardado 33.35
26. Juan Rincón 31.31
27. José Berríos 31.11
28. Caleb Thielbar 30.19
29. Greg Swindell 30.02
30. Bill Campbell 29.94
31. Tom Hall 28.90
32. Jim Merritt 28.53
33. Pat Neshek 27.57

Very interesting list. Somewhat surprisingly, Jim Kaat and Glen Perkins do not make the Top 33.

https://library.fangraphs.com/misc/re24/

RE24 (or run expectancy based on the 24 base-out states) may sound like a computer error or a random assortment of letters and numbers, but the actual logic and mechanisms behind the statistic make it extremely useful for fans and analysts. It is based on the concept of run expectancy, which provides the average number of expected runs per inning given the current number of outs and placement of baserunners. The number “24” refers to the potential number of base-out states (zero, one, two outs and eight different baserunner arrangements).

Since run expectancy tells you the number of expected runs, any number of runs created above or below that value can be treated as runs above or below average for the batter or pitcher depending on the outcome of each plate appearance. Unlike wRAA, wRC, or Batting Runs, RE24 is context-dependent and assigns more credit for hits with men on base than with the bases empty. With league average set to 0, hitters with positive RE24 are creating more runs than we would expect given the situations they have been placed in and pitchers with positive numbers are preventing more runs than average given the situations in which they have been placed.

I like this stat. It shows how effective a pitcher is when there is more importance on getting an out or getting out of an inning (runners on base and # of outs in the inning are both factored in).

Thielbar does well here because he's often put into "tight spots," but usually with a lefty vs lefty pitcher advantage. I'm more impressed with the starting pitchers that excel in this stat. Radke ranks very high. He clearly had an ability to bear down. It also makes sense that he gave up many of his runs on solo HR, which is what he was really remembered for.

I'm a little shocked at how high Guerrier ranks. Not surprised Bob Wells isn't on the list.

this is what I call the very definition of over analyzing shit

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: twinsfan

1. Johan Santana 226.78
2. Bert Blyleven 189.49
3. Brad Radke 157.30
4. Joe Nathan 139.23
5. Jim Perry 86.33
6. Frank Viola 80.35
7. Rick Aguilera 73.46
8. Camilo Pascual 60.26
9. Matt Guerrier 58.98
10. Sonny Gray
11. Kevin Tapani 49.34
12. Dave Goltz 48.73
13. Jhoan Duran 47.69
14. Scott Baker 46.77
15. Doug Corbett 45.92
16. Jack Kralick 45.67
17. Al Worthington 42.37
18. Juan Berenguer 41.98
19. Joe Ryan 39.92
20. Taylor Rogers 39.81
21. Jerry Koosman 38.97
22. Dean Chance 38.17
23. Pablo López 35.12
24. Ervin Santana 34.98
25. Eddie Guardado 33.35
26. Juan Rincón 31.31
27. José Berríos 31.11
28. Caleb Thielbar 30.19
29. Greg Swindell 30.02
30. Bill Campbell 29.94
31. Tom Hall 28.90
32. Jim Merritt 28.53
33. Pat Neshek 27.57

Very interesting list. Somewhat surprisingly, Jim Kaat and Glen Perkins do not make the Top 33.

https://library.fangraphs.com/misc/re24/

RE24 (or run expectancy based on the 24 base-out states) may sound like a computer error or a random assortment of letters and numbers, but the actual logic and mechanisms behind the statistic make it extremely useful for fans and analysts. It is based on the concept of run expectancy, which provides the average number of expected runs per inning given the current number of outs and placement of baserunners. The number “24” refers to the potential number of base-out states (zero, one, two outs and eight different baserunner arrangements).

Since run expectancy tells you the number of expected runs, any number of runs created above or below that value can be treated as runs above or below average for the batter or pitcher depending on the outcome of each plate appearance. Unlike wRAA, wRC, or Batting Runs, RE24 is context-dependent and assigns more credit for hits with men on base than with the bases empty. With league average set to 0, hitters with positive RE24 are creating more runs than we would expect given the situations they have been placed in and pitchers with positive numbers are preventing more runs than average given the situations in which they have been placed.

I like this stat. It shows how effective a pitcher is when there is more importance on getting an out or getting out of an inning (runners on base and # of outs in the inning are both factored in).

Thielbar does well here because he's often put into "tight spots," but usually with a lefty vs lefty pitcher advantage. I'm more impressed with the starting pitchers that excel in this stat. Radke ranks very high. He clearly had an ability to bear down. It also makes sense that he gave up many of his runs on solo HR, which is what he was really remembered for.

I'm a little shocked at how high Guerrier ranks. Not surprised Bob Wells isn't on the list.

this is what I call the very definition of over analyzing shit

No, you just haven't taken the initiative to understand it.

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

I have an idea. Divide the RE24 number by # of innings pitched as a Twin. That should get you to the most dominant. Appears it would be Duran. Gray would also be very high.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

I have an idea. Divide the RE24 number by # of innings pitched as a Twin. That should get you to the most dominant. Appears it would be Duran. Gray would also be very high.

That proves this crap is nonsense. Johan was the most dominant.

Come on Matt.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Gleeman:

Congratulations to Twins fans.

Not only because they get to see Walker Jenkins play.

But also because they no longer have to hear anyone say with a straight face that an elite-level prospect shouldn't be called up in order to maybe play Triple-A games during a possible lockout.