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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/9/2026 5:05:47 PM   
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I don't know what the cap cost for us would be for Herbert (Left Hand) or Jones (achilles) but 40-50 million for those two that are playing like dunders and are hurt---it makes zero sense.

Now if you start taking about Kirk, Mac Jones, Anthony Richardson, Flacco, or Carson Beck. I have more interest as the cost and health are in better alignment.

If you make a trade it means you are going all in. Kirk tends to fold in bigger games. So no thank you.
Mac Jones is not being traded, especially to a team that the 49ers are going to be playing soon.
Who is Jeff Richardson? Unless you are talking about Anthony Richardson from the Colts, he's so good he lost the starting job to the aforementioned Daniel Achilles injured, Jones.
Flacco is ancient
And the Cardinals just drafted Beck and he's currently their QBOTF.
Really the only options to trade for....are Herbert who would take a few weeks at least to get up to speed on this playbook and it struggling largely because of the new Offense in LA.
or Kirk who the Raiders aren't really interested in trading and WILL disappoint when the time comes for a big play to keep a game alive.
Or Daniel Jones who's looked bad, but at least he's got some familiarity with the playbook here.
This situation is a bad one of the Front offices own making.
They screwed the pooch here. I don't know what Teasley is going to do but I bet we find out tomorrow.


It is going to be costly no matter what by the sounds of it.....


No doubt.

My hope is that Wentz blows them away and they just get some Oline help and maybe a RB....

But Wentz blowing it away....well that's all purple shaded fantasy. I really have little hope with our current QB situation.



Sounds like Beck may be the only healthy QB now:

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Minshew hurt it before halftime and somehow played the second half with the injury.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/9/2026 5:26:25 PM   
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I see the jags just traded for Jordan Davis from the Eagles...that guy is a beast...really puts them on the short list for AFC contenders...

Seems crazy to me how teams are wholesale selling off their team...Colts, Eagles, etc

I don't recall their being so many teams that are just ready to get rid of their best players like this year

There is always one or two, but seems out of proportion this year
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/9/2026 5:57:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

I don't know what the cap cost for us would be for Herbert (Left Hand) or Jones (achilles) but 40-50 million for those two that are playing like dunders and are hurt---it makes zero sense.

Now if you start taking about Kirk, Mac Jones, Jeff Richardson, Flacco, or Carson Beck. I have more interest as the cost and health are in better alignment.


If you make a trade it means you are going all in. Kirk tends to fold in bigger games. So no thank you.

Mac Jones is not being traded, especially to a team that the 49ers are going to be playing soon.

Who is Jeff Richardson? Unless you are talking about Anthony Richardson from the Colts, he's so good he lost the starting job to the aforementioned Daniel Achilles injured, Jones.

Flacco is ancient

And the Cardinals just drafted Beck and he's currently their QBOTF.

Really the only options to trade for....are Herbert who would take a few weeks at least to get up to speed on this playbook and it struggling largely because of the new Offense in LA.

or Kirk who the Raiders aren't really interested in trading and WILL disappoint when the time comes for a big play to keep a game alive.

Or Daniel Jones who's looked bad, but at least he's got some familiarity with the playbook here.

This situation is a bad one of the Front offices own making.

They screwed the pooch here. I don't know what Teasley is going to do but I bet we find out tomorrow.


I would like to see us offer a 5th to the Jets for Geno Smith....
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/9/2026 6:11:28 PM   
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I don't know what the cap cost for us would be for Herbert (Left Hand) or Jones (achilles) but 40-50 million for those two that are playing like dunders and are hurt---it makes zero sense.

Now if you start taking about Kirk, Mac Jones, Jeff Richardson, Flacco, or Carson Beck. I have more interest as the cost and health are in better alignment.


If you make a trade it means you are going all in. Kirk tends to fold in bigger games. So no thank you.

Mac Jones is not being traded, especially to a team that the 49ers are going to be playing soon.

Who is Jeff Richardson? Unless you are talking about Anthony Richardson from the Colts, he's so good he lost the starting job to the aforementioned Daniel Achilles injured, Jones.

Flacco is ancient

And the Cardinals just drafted Beck and he's currently their QBOTF.

Really the only options to trade for....are Herbert who would take a few weeks at least to get up to speed on this playbook and it struggling largely because of the new Offense in LA.

or Kirk who the Raiders aren't really interested in trading and WILL disappoint when the time comes for a big play to keep a game alive.

Or Daniel Jones who's looked bad, but at least he's got some familiarity with the playbook here.

This situation is a bad one of the Front offices own making.

They screwed the pooch here. I don't know what Teasley is going to do but I bet we find out tomorrow.


I would like to see us offer a 5th to the Jets for Geno Smith....


In that vein, I would like to see Teasley gain picks to draft a (projected) good QB.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/9/2026 6:28:16 PM   
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In a trade or just not performing?

Vikings first-round DT Caleb Banks a healthy scratch tonight.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/9/2026 7:03:32 PM   
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Turner hasn't done much the past month. Guess the offenses have adjusted. Maybe he has freed up other defenders, but the great ones perform regardless of adjustments.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/9/2026 10:02:49 PM   
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Turner hasn't done much the past month. Guess the offenses have adjusted. Maybe he has freed up other defenders, but the great ones perform regardless of adjustments.

Yea, no….

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/9/2026 10:18:12 PM   
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Do not trade for a QB or RB.

There is no point in giving KOC more toys to **** up.

Save our ammo for next year when Flores is the HC…
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/9/2026 10:37:04 PM   
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Do not trade for a QB or RB.

There is no point in giving KOC more toys to **** up.

Save our ammo for next year when Flores is the HC…

Agree. Let him stew in this mess.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/9/2026 10:39:36 PM   
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Freeman with a much higher QBR than Wentz tonight. Hilarious!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/9/2026 10:48:49 PM  1 votes
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Do not trade for a QB or RB.

There is no point in giving KOC more toys to **** up.

Save our ammo for next year when Flores is the HC…

Agree. Let him stew in this mess.

Yes. Teasley's 1st big decision is to give up on a 6-2 team and piss off all the players. Sounds great.

Free Agents will be clamoring to come here.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/9/2026 11:33:02 PM   
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Do not trade for a QB or RB.

There is no point in giving KOC more toys to **** up.

Save our ammo for next year when Flores is the HC…

Agree. Let him stew in this mess.

Yes. Teasley's 1st big decision is to give up on a 6-2 team and piss off all the players. Sounds great.

Free Agents will be clamoring to come here.

This season is over. You have to rebuild an entire offense and you have a head coach that has no clue. Why would a new GM try to fix this mess with overpriced free agents only to get less picks in a great draft next year?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 12:00:05 AM   
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Teasley’s first job is to find a GD head coach, and Flores is #1 with a bullet.

Then, they find a God Damn Quarterback, who throws to open revivers, preferably about a six foot 2” Josh Allen clone who can run effectively if he has to.

Cut Wentz, cut Murray, cut Freis, cut H. Smith.

Trade Jefferson for more picks ..

I love Justine Jefferson but he needs to go to the bills or the chiefs …

Thst man had the patience of a saint and He was getting pissed at how shitty this offense is being played.

KOC is done.

I have seen enough Leslie Frasier’s and Brad Childress types to know a pointless coach when I see one.


Zimmer was not great, but KOC makes him look like a genius.. even Mike Tice could find a touchdown now and then on the playcalling.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 6:28:17 AM   
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6 years in the win/loss total is more than respectable, but seems to me there is something deeply flawed with our offense.
I sure in hell hope we don't trade for a washed Kirk Cousins or Daniel Jones.

I don't understand our play calling. Run for 5 yards on first down, then throw. Rinse and repeat
I don't it would have mattered last night, as clearly Wentz was not ready to play football last night, but it is so predictable
When is the last time we've had a run over like 30 yards? 2 plodders at RB

Seems we only do vertical throws. Nothing short. Remember when everyone thought KOC would use JJ like Cupp in his prime?
Does he ever watch how McVay uses Puca? When you have a WR with such good hands and route running, you use the pass game like a run game. Just pepper his with short targets.
I've never been a Wentz fan, but that was almost unreal how bad he was, beyond my low expectations.

3 and 4, and we throw 40 yard bombs with low probability of success.
We don't even have great vertical WRs, no one with real speed.

KOC was supposed to be an offensive mind, 6 years in and seems we have just got backwards with every season.

I've always been a KOC backer, but I just don't see where this offense is going. No growth by anyone, just a lot of lost faces.

A bold move would be fire him at the end of the year, and promote Flores. I doubt it happens, but can only wish at this point.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 6:42:50 AM   
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Trading away the future at this point seems like doubling down on a bad bet.


Well said.

I'd be proactive this morning and fire O'Connell. He is what is wrong with this offense and every qb we bring in. This offense has been terrible since week 16 2024.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 7:03:45 AM   
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Trade KOC, if possible or fire him.

Promote Flores and get a decent O coordinator and QB = SB contender possible.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 7:34:24 AM   
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7 for 25 and 3 TOs.

You can't coach that out of a player guys. He threw it at the feet of players on a 5 yard dump off and overthrew a swing pass to Jefferson. Brosmer came in and looked at least like he was backup worthy.

KOC fault is not running more than 11 times but that bad of a performance.....I gladly watched the Gophers MBB until halftime and Durkin hit a game winning 3....then I watched most of the first half and kept changing the channel.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 7:58:13 AM   
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My .02

This team has one opportunity to have a chance to run to the big game and win it all. With this offense they have NO CHANCE

The Defense was again, BALLIN. They were kicking ass. Holding Josh Allen in relative check...they weren't gaining any traction. Like usual. the defense was its normal dominant self until late in the game when they got gassed.

Our offense is a coach killer. The execution is terrible. With the skill players we have we should be able to keep moving the ball, getting first downs, control time of possession and score (even if it is more often than not FGs). But we can't even do that now. Too many turn overs. Too many 3 and outs. For as much energy as the defense has flying around making plays etc...the offense looks listless. Flat. and ineffective.

I am convinced Kyler Murray is NOT the answer.
This game convinced me beyond all doubt that Wentz is not either. Those INTs and the almost one as well were just terrible throws. I stopped watching before they put Brosmer in, and I'm sure he moved the ball well against a prevent defense....but he's not the answer either.

If this team has any hope of making the playoffs and making a deep significant run, they have until 3pm today to address the most important position on the field.

It just makes me sick that a defense THIS GOOD, is being wasted because our offense is THIS BAD.

And again. It shouldn't be. And considering just how talented our skill players are, it shouldn't be. We just don't have a QB that can execute.

So, Messasge to Nolan Teasley, and KOC....If you do not acquire a new QB by 3pm today, you may as well sell off the skill players like Addison, Hockenson, and some defensive guys that will be FAs after this year like Van Ginkel, Cashman and Redmond....Blow this shit up. Sell of JJ even. You are slamming the window of opportunity shut so hard the glass is breaking. You may as well get as many draft picks as possible to rebuild this thing quickly.

I have to say if they just were outplayed and lost the game by a FG or so, and the offense looked competent I wouldn't give up. but this offense is pathetic. Something HAS to change. I don't know what that is, but I think KOC needs to try something different. Maybel let someone else call the game. ? I don't know if that will help. but I do know with our current QB situation we have no hope.

They have literally until 3pm this afternoon local time to save any hope for this season.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 8:02:24 AM   
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They have to make a trade for a RB and QB with this defense, ST, and Flores today....they owe it to them.

Don't trade for a RB if you aren't going to run the ball (memo to KOC).
Another memo to KOC....TB threw the ball 3 times and won with their defense.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 8:06:15 AM   
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My .02

This team has one opportunity to have a chance to run to the big game and win it all. With this offense they have NO CHANCE

The Defense was again, BALLIN. They were kicking ass. Holding Josh Allen in relative check...they weren't gaining any traction. Like usual. the defense was its normal dominant self until late in the game when they got gassed.

Our offense is a coach killer. The execution is terrible. With the skill players we have we should be able to keep moving the ball, getting first downs, control time of possession and score (even if it is more often than not FGs). But we can't even do that now. Too many turn overs. Too many 3 and outs. For as much energy as the defense has flying around making plays etc...the offense looks listless. Flat. and ineffective.

I am convinced Kyler Murray is NOT the answer.
This game convinced me beyond all doubt that Wentz is not either. Those INTs and the almost one as well were just terrible throws. I stopped watching before they put Brosmer in, and I'm sure he moved the ball well against a prevent defense....but he's not the answer either.

If this team has any hope of making the playoffs and making a deep significant run, they have until 3pm today to address the most important position on the field.

It just makes me sick that a defense THIS GOOD, is being wasted because our offense is THIS BAD.

And again. It shouldn't be. And considering just how talented our skill players are, it shouldn't be. We just don't have a QB that can execute.

So, Messasge to Nolan Teasley, and KOC....If you do not acquire a new QB by 3pm today, you may as well sell off the skill players like Addison, Hockenson, and some defensive guys that will be FAs after this year like Van Ginkel, Cashman and Redmond....Blow this shit up. Sell of JJ even. You are slamming the window of opportunity shut so hard the glass is breaking. You may as well get as many draft picks as possible to rebuild this thing quickly.

I have to say if they just were outplayed and lost the game by a FG or so, and the offense looked competent I wouldn't give up. but this offense is pathetic. Something HAS to change. I don't know what that is, but I think KOC needs to try something different. Maybel let someone else call the game. ? I don't know if that will help. but I do know with our current QB situation we have no hope.

They have literally until 3pm this afternoon local time to save any hope for this season.

I'm not saying KOC doesn't have to go. Maybe it is time.

But, Kurt Warner shows us every week how our QBs are missing big chunk plays. Not just a couple. A lot. Either they don't see it or they throw a bad pass.

Am I saying trade a 1st rounder for Cousins? No. Teasley needs that to find QBOTF. But, a 3rd for Cousins is not unreasonable. He has shown he can run KOC's offense efficiently.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 8:12:26 AM   
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Cousins has shown he can run the KOC offense efficiently, while not being clutch, and racking up a lot of great garbage time stats.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 8:18:28 AM   
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Cousins has shown he can run the KOC offense efficiently, while not being clutch, and racking up a lot of great garbage time stats.

Wasn't Cousins the QB when we won all those one score games that one year? With many 4th quarter comebacks.

This isn't $40M contract Cousins. It's a one year deal with no dead money attached. Try to find lightning in a bottle.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 8:19:09 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 8:21:22 AM   
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I remember the day when we had a coach that all the pundits were calling the "Quarterback Whisperer".

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 8:21:38 AM   
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Firing KOC now, and having Flores be the HC the rest of the season, gives you a trial run with Flores as HC.

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