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ORIGINAL: John Childress

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ESPN CONSENSUS PICKS

Super Bowl winner: Denver; AFC champion: Denver; NFC champion: San Francisco

AFC East: New England; AFC West: Denver; AFC North: Cincinnati; AFC South: Indianapolis; Wild cards: San Diego, Kansas City

NFC East: Philadelphia; NFC West: Seattle; NFC North: Green Bay; NFC South: New Orleans; Wild cards: San Francisco, Chicago

MVP: Aaron Rodgers; Coach of the year: Chip Kelly; Offensive ROY: Brandin Cooks; Defensive ROY: Jadeveon Clowney

I wonder if all the sports writers even watched the Super Bowl last year or are they just lost in the Peyton Manning worship?

PS - did they also fall asleep when watching SF all offseason and preseason? WTH!

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

Agree on Peyton guys. He's in the top 5 for me, but can't go higher than that. He just hasn't played well in the big pressure games in his life for the most part. 0-4 against Florida in college and heck, even the SB they won they only beat the Pats in the AFC title game because the Pats had a rookie kicker that missed. He's just not the same guy in the big moments.

Also working against Peyton at this point is the track record of old QB's winning it all. There really hasn't been an old QB that's won a SB since Elway. And he had TD as a stud and an all-time great offensive line. That was 15 years ago! We talked about this with Favre too, but I really think it may be a factor of them just wearing down a bit more over the course of 19-20 games. With really good defenses these days too. This factor also works against Brady at this point too.

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

That is all that I am saying

I have him in my top 5 all time but in the Super Bowl the guy is no Joe Montana

You go from the highest scoring team of all time to scoring 8 points?

Never has thrown 2 TD passes in a SB game with 3 tries

First time it is a bad game
Second time a coincidence
Third time is a pattern

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

That is all that I am saying

I have him in my top 5 all time but in the Super Bowl the guy is no Joe Montana

You go from the highest scoring team of all time to scoring 8 points?

Never has thrown 2 TD passes in a SB game with 3 tries

First time it is a bad game
Second time a coincidence
Third time is a pattern

Your hatred for Peyton just blinds you from the facts.

He played well in the first SB, sure he didn't put up huge numbers but his playcalling/audibling allowed the Colts to totally control the game vs the Bears, they had 24 1st downs to the Bears 11 and 38:00 TOP.

In the SB vs the Saints he played well again but Garcon dropped on easy 70yd TD that would have blown the game open. The Saints offense played well and they recovered an onside kick. I blame Reggie Wayne for Porter's TD return due to a poor route, Collie also made a poor play right before on a screen pass.

Last SB, his entire offense ran into a buzz saw. No QB could have succeeded the way the Seahawks played that day.

Everyone crowns Tom Brady but what has he done since his team has been skewed more to the offense? He hasn't won one SB, was poor in the first Giants SB and mediocre in the other. He hasn't beaten Manning in the playoffs since 2004. Brady was great in the win over the Panthers but he also had great defenses to carry him to those 3 SB victories. Montana had some great defenses in SF as well, people fail to mention the 49ers were top 3 in defense in each of their SB wins.

Look at this article which shows the fallacy of Manning being a playoff choker and Brady being an all world clutch QB.

http://captaincomeback.wordpress.com/2014/01/19/nfl-conference-championship-predictions-manning-is-better-than-brady-but-so-what-edition/

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

Agree on Peyton guys. He's in the top 5 for me, but can't go higher than that. He just hasn't played well in the big pressure games in his life for the most part. 0-4 against Florida in college and heck, even the SB they won they only beat the Pats in the AFC title game because the Pats had a rookie kicker that missed. He's just not the same guy in the big moments.

Also working against Peyton at this point is the track record of old QB's winning it all. There really hasn't been an old QB that's won a SB since Elway. And he had TD as a stud and an all-time great offensive line. That was 15 years ago! We talked about this with Favre too, but I really think it may be a factor of them just wearing down a bit more over the course of 19-20 games. With really good defenses these days too. This factor also works against Brady at this point too.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

That is all that I am saying

I have him in my top 5 all time but in the Super Bowl the guy is no Joe Montana

You go from the highest scoring team of all time to scoring 8 points?

Never has thrown 2 TD passes in a SB game with 3 tries

First time it is a bad game
Second time a coincidence
Third time is a pattern

Your hatred for Peyton just blinds you from the facts.

He played well in the first SB, sure he didn't put up huge numbers but his playcalling/audibling allowed the Colts to totally control the game vs the Bears, they had 24 1st downs to the Bears 11 and 38:00 TOP.

In the SB vs the Saints he played well again but Garcon dropped on easy 70yd TD that would have blown the game open. The Saints offense played well and they recovered an onside kick. I blame Reggie Wayne for Porter's TD return due to a poor route, Collie also made a poor play right before on a screen pass.

Last SB, his entire offense ran into a buzz saw. No QB could have succeeded the way the Seahawks played that day.

Everyone crowns Tom Brady but what has he done since his team has been skewed more to the offense? He hasn't won one SB, was poor in the first Giants SB and mediocre in the other. He hasn't beaten Manning in the playoffs since 2004. Brady was great in the win over the Panthers but he also had great defenses to carry him to those 3 SB victories. Montana had some great defenses in SF as well, people fail to mention the 49ers were top 3 in defense in each of their SB wins.

Look at this article which shows the fallacy of Manning being a playoff choker and Brady being an all world clutch QB.

http://captaincomeback.wordpress.com/2014/01/19/nfl-conference-championship-predictions-manning-is-better-than-brady-but-so-what-edition/

I don't think hate is a factor here. JC is just stating facts. Peyton has played poorly in all but one of his SB appearances

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

Agree on Peyton guys. He's in the top 5 for me, but can't go higher than that. He just hasn't played well in the big pressure games in his life for the most part. 0-4 against Florida in college and heck, even the SB they won they only beat the Pats in the AFC title game because the Pats had a rookie kicker that missed. He's just not the same guy in the big moments.

Also working against Peyton at this point is the track record of old QB's winning it all. There really hasn't been an old QB that's won a SB since Elway. And he had TD as a stud and an all-time great offensive line. That was 15 years ago! We talked about this with Favre too, but I really think it may be a factor of them just wearing down a bit more over the course of 19-20 games. With really good defenses these days too. This factor also works against Brady at this point too.

The AFC title game where Peyton's offense put up 38 points erasing a 21-3 deficit came down to a kicker? Wrong if anything it was Reche Caldwell who couldn't catch passes for his life.

Why do people rate the SB has the only "big game", by that logic the Vikes haven't played a big game since 1977. There's no doubt he struggled early in his career in the post season, but can anyone say that those very soft Colts teams were playoff type teams (remember Jim Mora)? Only in 2003 did they win their first playoff game in the Manning era.

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

Last SB, his entire offense ran into a buzz saw. No QB could have succeeded the way the Seahawks played that day.

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

That is all that I am saying

I have him in my top 5 all time but in the Super Bowl the guy is no Joe Montana

You go from the highest scoring team of all time to scoring 8 points?

Never has thrown 2 TD passes in a SB game with 3 tries

First time it is a bad game
Second time a coincidence
Third time is a pattern

Your hatred for Peyton just blinds you from the facts.

He played well in the first SB, sure he didn't put up huge numbers but his playcalling/audibling allowed the Colts to totally control the game vs the Bears, they had 24 1st downs to the Bears 11 and 38:00 TOP.

In the SB vs the Saints he played well again but Garcon dropped on easy 70yd TD that would have blown the game open. The Saints offense played well and they recovered an onside kick. I blame Reggie Wayne for Porter's TD return due to a poor route, Collie also made a poor play right before on a screen pass.

Last SB, his entire offense ran into a buzz saw. No QB could have succeeded the way the Seahawks played that day.

Everyone crowns Tom Brady but what has he done since his team has been skewed more to the offense? He hasn't won one SB, was poor in the first Giants SB and mediocre in the other. He hasn't beaten Manning in the playoffs since 2004. Brady was great in the win over the Panthers but he also had great defenses to carry him to those 3 SB victories. Montana had some great defenses in SF as well, people fail to mention the 49ers were top 3 in defense in each of their SB wins.

Look at this article which shows the fallacy of Manning being a playoff choker and Brady being an all world clutch QB.

http://captaincomeback.wordpress.com/2014/01/19/nfl-conference-championship-predictions-manning-is-better-than-brady-but-so-what-edition/

I don't think hate is a factor here. JC is just stating facts. Peyton has played poorly in all but one of his SB appearances

But they aren't a fact, they're just regurgitated media drivel, with simplistic conclusions.

Last season was the only one I'd say he played poorly. But he was still completing throws but instead of guys gaining 4-5 YAC they were getting blown up for 3 yd gains.

The main issue with Manning's losses is that his teams are so Manning dependent where he needs to play flawless for them to win the SB. When his team loses it's easy to point to Manning. Ask Drew Brees how hard it is to win the SB with no defense has he's found out. And the one he did win he needed 5 TOs from our beloved purple just to get there.

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Offense wins games, defense wins championships.

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At the end of the day you still have Peyton Manning at QB though

He is not a big game producer

In 3 Super Bowls, Manning has a total of 3 TD passes an 4 INTs

Even if Denver makes the Super Bowl, and I think NE beats them, the NFC champ will beat them

Whatever John, WHATEVER. Yeah Peyton Manning SUCKS. He is nowhere near as good as big game producers like Dilfer.

3 Super Bowls

3 TD passes

4 INTs

Those are facts

He doesn't play well in the Super Bowl. So OBVIOUSLY one should consider that when making SB predictions

I bet you thought Denver would beat Seattle, right?

How did that work out?

How was Peyton?

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

At the end of the day you still have Peyton Manning at QB though

He is not a big game producer

In 3 Super Bowls, Manning has a total of 3 TD passes an 4 INTs

Even if Denver makes the Super Bowl, and I think NE beats them, the NFC champ will beat them

Whatever John, WHATEVER. Yeah Peyton Manning SUCKS. He is nowhere near as good as big game producers like Dilfer.

No one has ever accused Dilfer of being a producer - let alone a big one. His entire job on that team was to stay out of the way.

Manning's teams have been incredibly reliant on him coming up huge for them to win. The guy is clearly one of the best QBs to ever play the game, but he hasn;t been great in Super Bowls.

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

Agree on Peyton guys. He's in the top 5 for me, but can't go higher than that. He just hasn't played well in the big pressure games in his life for the most part. 0-4 against Florida in college and heck, even the SB they won they only beat the Pats in the AFC title game because the Pats had a rookie kicker that missed. He's just not the same guy in the big moments.

Also working against Peyton at this point is the track record of old QB's winning it all. There really hasn't been an old QB that's won a SB since Elway. And he had TD as a stud and an all-time great offensive line. That was 15 years ago! We talked about this with Favre too, but I really think it may be a factor of them just wearing down a bit more over the course of 19-20 games. With really good defenses these days too. This factor also works against Brady at this point too.

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ORIGINAL: RBIrving

I'm a big fan of Peyton Manning and I definitely think he belongs in the discussion of best ever. I don't as much weight on the Super Bowl over the actual body of work that makes up the entire career of a football player. I thought last year's Super Bowl was a glaring example of the old adage.

Offense wins games, defense wins championships.

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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

Agree on Peyton guys. He's in the top 5 for me, but can't go higher than that. He just hasn't played well in the big pressure games in his life for the most part. 0-4 against Florida in college and heck, even the SB they won they only beat the Pats in the AFC title game because the Pats had a rookie kicker that missed. He's just not the same guy in the big moments.

Also working against Peyton at this point is the track record of old QB's winning it all. There really hasn't been an old QB that's won a SB since Elway. And he had TD as a stud and an all-time great offensive line. That was 15 years ago! We talked about this with Favre too, but I really think it may be a factor of them just wearing down a bit more over the course of 19-20 games. With really good defenses these days too. This factor also works against Brady at this point too.

The AFC title game where Peyton's offense put up 38 points erasing a 21-3 deficit came down to a kicker? Wrong if anything it was Reche Caldwell who couldn't catch passes for his life.

Why do people rate the SB has the only "big game", by that logic the Vikes haven't played a big game since 1977. There's no doubt he struggled early in his career in the post season, but can anyone say that those very soft Colts teams were playoff type teams (remember Jim Mora)? Only in 2003 did they win their first playoff game in the Manning era.

SIGH

If you were paying attention, instead of just waiting to pounce on my post, you would have seen the genesis of this conversation.

We were talking about who would win the Super Bowl

Peyton Manning's poor SB performances ARE the issue here.

If you are going to jump in and blast someone first pay attention to the conversation

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

At the end of the day you still have Peyton Manning at QB though

He is not a big game producer

In 3 Super Bowls, Manning has a total of 3 TD passes an 4 INTs

Even if Denver makes the Super Bowl, and I think NE beats them, the NFC champ will beat them

Whatever John, WHATEVER. Yeah Peyton Manning SUCKS. He is nowhere near as good as big game producers like Dilfer.

No one has ever accused Dilfer of being a producer - let alone a big one. His entire job on that team was to stay out of the way.

Manning's teams have been incredibly reliant on him coming up huge for them to win. The guy is clearly one of the best QBs to ever play the game, but he hasn;t been great in Super Bowls.

Mannings numbers in the SB IMO have nothing to do with him choking or not being a big game player. They have to do with Tough Ds and a simple thing called shit happens. If he makes it to the SB this year I will expect him to play quite well. He is 1-2 in SBs so far. I would love to see Bridgewater get to 1-2 in SBs before his career is over.

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

Agree on Peyton guys. He's in the top 5 for me, but can't go higher than that. He just hasn't played well in the big pressure games in his life for the most part. 0-4 against Florida in college and heck, even the SB they won they only beat the Pats in the AFC title game because the Pats had a rookie kicker that missed. He's just not the same guy in the big moments.

Also working against Peyton at this point is the track record of old QB's winning it all. There really hasn't been an old QB that's won a SB since Elway. And he had TD as a stud and an all-time great offensive line. That was 15 years ago! We talked about this with Favre too, but I really think it may be a factor of them just wearing down a bit more over the course of 19-20 games. With really good defenses these days too. This factor also works against Brady at this point too.

The older and wearing down late in season thing may have some validity to it. Still if I had my team in the SuperBowl and could take any active QB to try to win it for me Manning would be very high on the list. I would probably have Rodgers and Brees ahead of him but nobody else.