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RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) - 1/16/2010 7:37:02 PM

eduardo5046

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Anybody still think Reggie Bush is just a marginal player?

390 yards rushing this year and 335 receiving nice return guy I would venture to guess that if he doesn't step up the production next year , his first big contract was his last !

Nobody is going to give him the kid of overpayment he has been getting for years to be a good return man and a bit player on offense !

3rd on his own team in rushing and 6th in pass receiving is pretty marginal !

Chester Taylor for example had 339 yards rushing and 389 receiving and he is most certainly a marginal player !

One good playoff game does not a great ball player make !

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RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) - 1/16/2010 7:41:13 PM

eduardo5046

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Anybody still think Reggie Bush is just a marginal player?

I would say a player with a lot of talent that is very inconsistent.

I would say he does exactly what the Saints ask him to do.

So did Eric Metcalf.

Great return guy, no question, but certainly not a special every down running back.

Again, they have never asked him to be a special, every down back.

Unlike college football, professional football is more of a team game. When Bush came out of college, everyone expected him to take over games and dominate like he did on the collegiate level. They have never asked him to take over games, because they have a balanced offense with a ton of weapons. In short, he is a piece of the puzzle. It doesn't mean, however, he isn't a great player. It only means the fantasy football fans haven't gotten what they thought they were getting when he came out of USC.

It's ironic you called him Eric Metcalf, because that was the guy I compared him to when he came out of SC.

How could you count on him to be your everyday back the dude even playing as a part timer has played 12 games , 10 games and 14 games the last three years . The guy gets banged up and misses multiple games every year getting 5 carries and 5 receptions a game . And you think he can be a feature back ?

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RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) - 1/16/2010 7:58:23 PM

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Anybody still think Reggie Bush is just a marginal player?

I would say a player with a lot of talent that is very inconsistent.

I would say he does exactly what the Saints ask him to do.

So did Eric Metcalf.

Great return guy, no question, but certainly not a special every down running back.

Again, they have never asked him to be a special, every down back.

Unlike college football, professional football is more of a team game. When Bush came out of college, everyone expected him to take over games and dominate like he did on the collegiate level. They have never asked him to take over games, because they have a balanced offense with a ton of weapons. In short, he is a piece of the puzzle. It doesn't mean, however, he isn't a great player. It only means the fantasy football fans haven't gotten what they thought they were getting when he came out of USC.

It's ironic you called him Eric Metcalf, because that was the guy I compared him to when he came out of SC.

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That's a pretty good assessment of Bush, IMO.

I don't think anybody (people that get paid to know this stuff) expected Bush to be a 27 carry a game back. That's not his game. He can do a lot of things quite well and he must always be accounted for whether it be as a RB, pass catcher from a variety of positions (formations) or PR. Now if he could last as long as Metcalf did, that would be something.

I know this, if my team was playing against the Saints, I would much prefer that Bush was out.

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RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) - 1/16/2010 8:04:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Anybody still think Reggie Bush is just a marginal player?

I would say a player with a lot of talent that is very inconsistent.

I would say he does exactly what the Saints ask him to do.

So did Eric Metcalf.

Great return guy, no question, but certainly not a special every down running back.

Again, they have never asked him to be a special, every down back.

Unlike college football, professional football is more of a team game. When Bush came out of college, everyone expected him to take over games and dominate like he did on the collegiate level. They have never asked him to take over games, because they have a balanced offense with a ton of weapons. In short, he is a piece of the puzzle. It doesn't mean, however, he isn't a great player. It only means the fantasy football fans haven't gotten what they thought they were getting when he came out of USC.

It's ironic you called him Eric Metcalf, because that was the guy I compared him to when he came out of SC.

I've always felt that Bush most compared to Eric Metcalf when I watched him play.

However you don't draft a PR/KR 2nd overall for only part time duty.

I think Bush is a very dynamic weapon, but the Texans are finally getting credit for drafting an everydown stud like Mario Williams instead of Bush.

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RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) - 1/16/2010 8:13:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Anybody still think Reggie Bush is just a marginal player?

I would say a player with a lot of talent that is very inconsistent.

I would say he does exactly what the Saints ask him to do.

So did Eric Metcalf.

Great return guy, no question, but certainly not a special every down running back.

Again, they have never asked him to be a special, every down back.

Unlike college football, professional football is more of a team game. When Bush came out of college, everyone expected him to take over games and dominate like he did on the collegiate level. They have never asked him to take over games, because they have a balanced offense with a ton of weapons. In short, he is a piece of the puzzle. It doesn't mean, however, he isn't a great player. It only means the fantasy football fans haven't gotten what they thought they were getting when he came out of USC.

It's ironic you called him Eric Metcalf, because that was the guy I compared him to when he came out of SC.

I've always felt that Bush most compared to Eric Metcalf when I watched him play.

However you don't draft a PR/KR 2nd overall for only part time duty.

I think Bush is a very dynamic weapon, but the Texans are finally getting credit for drafting an everydown stud like Mario Williams instead of Bush.

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If that's all he was I'd agree with that completely. He's not a kick returner, however. He's a punt returner. He's a versatile RB that allows the Saints to use him in a variety of positions and create mismatches.

FWIW, I don't think he was worthy of #2 overall either.

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RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) - 1/16/2010 8:51:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Anybody still think Reggie Bush is just a marginal player?

I would say a player with a lot of talent that is very inconsistent.

I would say he does exactly what the Saints ask him to do.

So did Eric Metcalf.

Great return guy, no question, but certainly not a special every down running back.

Again, they have never asked him to be a special, every down back.

Unlike college football, professional football is more of a team game. When Bush came out of college, everyone expected him to take over games and dominate like he did on the collegiate level. They have never asked him to take over games, because they have a balanced offense with a ton of weapons. In short, he is a piece of the puzzle. It doesn't mean, however, he isn't a great player. It only means the fantasy football fans haven't gotten what they thought they were getting when he came out of USC.

It's ironic you called him Eric Metcalf, because that was the guy I compared him to when he came out of SC.

I've always felt that Bush most compared to Eric Metcalf when I watched him play.

However you don't draft a PR/KR 2nd overall for only part time duty.

I think Bush is a very dynamic weapon, but the Texans are finally getting credit for drafting an everydown stud like Mario Williams instead of Bush.

Something tells me that the Saints feel like they made the right choice, as of today.

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RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) - 1/16/2010 8:55:59 PM

Brad H

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ORIGINAL: eduardo5046

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Anybody still think Reggie Bush is just a marginal player?

I would say a player with a lot of talent that is very inconsistent.

I would say he does exactly what the Saints ask him to do.

So did Eric Metcalf.

Great return guy, no question, but certainly not a special every down running back.

Again, they have never asked him to be a special, every down back.

Unlike college football, professional football is more of a team game. When Bush came out of college, everyone expected him to take over games and dominate like he did on the collegiate level. They have never asked him to take over games, because they have a balanced offense with a ton of weapons. In short, he is a piece of the puzzle. It doesn't mean, however, he isn't a great player. It only means the fantasy football fans haven't gotten what they thought they were getting when he came out of USC.

It's ironic you called him Eric Metcalf, because that was the guy I compared him to when he came out of SC.

How could you count on him to be your everyday back the dude even playing as a part timer has played 12 games , 10 games and 14 games the last three years . The guy gets banged up and misses multiple games every year getting 5 carries and 5 receptions a game . And you think he can be a feature back ?

I think it is really hard to say whether or not Bush could be a feature back. He wasn't even a feature back in college. The reality is, there isn't many feature backs in the entire NFL any more. Most successful teams have a change-of-pace back or thunder/lightning combination any more.

Personally, I think the Saints have a brilliant offensive game plan and a great quarterback. When they take the field, there is five guys you need to account for.

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RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) - 1/16/2010 9:07:30 PM

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I think IF the Vikes get by Dallas, there is almost NO chance they win at New Orleans, if the Saints win today. The Cards need to win for the Vikes to have a chance at getting to the SB.

Do you remember how much trouble Favre as Packer had when playing at the loud Metrodome ? IF the Saints are one game away from the SB, their stadium will be AMAZINGLY loud, and I do NOT think Favre and the Vikes will be able to overcome it. The game probably won't even be close, unless Peterson goes wild.

In recent years, he played pretty damn well. 2007 108 QBR, 2006 100 QBR, 2005 121 QBR, 2004 109 QBR, 2003 QBR 105. Nuff said on that.

Plus this Vikings team is built for the turf. All 4 losses this year came on grass.

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RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) - 1/16/2010 9:31:26 PM

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ORIGINAL: marty

I think IF the Vikes get by Dallas, there is almost NO chance they win at New Orleans, if the Saints win today. The Cards need to win for the Vikes to have a chance at getting to the SB.

Do you remember how much trouble Favre as Packer had when playing at the loud Metrodome ? IF the Saints are one game away from the SB, their stadium will be AMAZINGLY loud, and I do NOT think Favre and the Vikes will be able to overcome it. The game probably won't even be close, unless Peterson goes wild.

In recent years, he played pretty damn well. 2007 108 QBR, 2006 100 QBR, 2005 121 QBR, 2004 109 QBR, 2003 QBR 105. Nuff said on that.

Plus this Vikings team is built for the turf. All 4 losses this year came on grass.

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Came accross something interesting (at least to me) looking into this. AD, for his NFL career has nearly twice as many touches on turf than he does on grass. No surprise there. But he has 18 rushing TD's on grass and 22 on turf. He has a 4.79 average per carry on grass, and a 4.96 on turf. He has 4 total fumbles on grass, 16 fumbles on turf.

I really don't think great football players care what surface they're playing on.

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RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) - 1/16/2010 9:46:31 PM

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Out all day

Saw part of the Saints game and they really look back to form.

I think whoever wins tomorrow will lose next week.

So far, Saints-Chargers SB still looks good.

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RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) - 1/16/2010 10:17:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Anybody still think Reggie Bush is just a marginal player?

I would say a player with a lot of talent that is very inconsistent.

I would say he does exactly what the Saints ask him to do.

So did Eric Metcalf.

Great return guy, no question, but certainly not a special every down running back.

Again, they have never asked him to be a special, every down back.

Unlike college football, professional football is more of a team game. When Bush came out of college, everyone expected him to take over games and dominate like he did on the collegiate level. They have never asked him to take over games, because they have a balanced offense with a ton of weapons. In short, he is a piece of the puzzle. It doesn't mean, however, he isn't a great player. It only means the fantasy football fans haven't gotten what they thought they were getting when he came out of USC.

It's ironic you called him Eric Metcalf, because that was the guy I compared him to when he came out of SC.

I've always felt that Bush most compared to Eric Metcalf when I watched him play.

However you don't draft a PR/KR 2nd overall for only part time duty.

I think Bush is a very dynamic weapon, but the Texans are finally getting credit for drafting an everydown stud like Mario Williams instead of Bush.

Something tells me that the Saints feel like they made the right choice, as of today.

something tells me the saints would trade bush for mario everyday of the week

come on Brad

Bush would be traded for a song

he is close to worthless

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RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) - 1/16/2010 10:20:31 PM

drviking

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Out all day

Saw part of the Saints game and they really look back to form.

I think whoever wins tomorrow will lose next week.

So far, Saints-Chargers SB still looks good.

John, you should be a sports writer

how many teams have you went through this year

Eagles

Saints

Giants

Packers

Cowboys

back to the saints

anybody else?

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RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) - 1/16/2010 10:22:15 PM

drviking

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: marty

I think IF the Vikes get by Dallas, there is almost NO chance they win at New Orleans, if the Saints win today. The Cards need to win for the Vikes to have a chance at getting to the SB.

Do you remember how much trouble Favre as Packer had when playing at the loud Metrodome ? IF the Saints are one game away from the SB, their stadium will be AMAZINGLY loud, and I do NOT think Favre and the Vikes will be able to overcome it. The game probably won't even be close, unless Peterson goes wild.

In recent years, he played pretty damn well. 2007 108 QBR, 2006 100 QBR, 2005 121 QBR, 2004 109 QBR, 2003 QBR 105. Nuff said on that.

Plus this Vikings team is built for the turf. All 4 losses this year came on grass.

cant wait for the defeatists to be shut up

really hope its this year

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RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) - 1/16/2010 10:29:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Anybody still think Reggie Bush is just a marginal player?

I would say a player with a lot of talent that is very inconsistent.

I would say he does exactly what the Saints ask him to do.

So did Eric Metcalf.

Great return guy, no question, but certainly not a special every down running back.

Again, they have never asked him to be a special, every down back.

Unlike college football, professional football is more of a team game. When Bush came out of college, everyone expected him to take over games and dominate like he did on the collegiate level. They have never asked him to take over games, because they have a balanced offense with a ton of weapons. In short, he is a piece of the puzzle. It doesn't mean, however, he isn't a great player. It only means the fantasy football fans haven't gotten what they thought they were getting when he came out of USC.

It's ironic you called him Eric Metcalf, because that was the guy I compared him to when he came out of SC.

I've always felt that Bush most compared to Eric Metcalf when I watched him play.

However you don't draft a PR/KR 2nd overall for only part time duty.

I think Bush is a very dynamic weapon, but the Texans are finally getting credit for drafting an everydown stud like Mario Williams instead of Bush.

Something tells me that the Saints feel like they made the right choice, as of today.

We'll see what happens next season when his base salary jumps to $8 million and the Saints realize they spent the #2 overall pick in the draft on a glorified kick returner.

Not a lot of kick returners making $8 million a year in this league.

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RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) - 1/16/2010 10:34:49 PM

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Lots of people don't seem to know the difference between a kick and a punt. No problem, I get that frequently from people that never played football.

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RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) - 1/16/2010 10:38:40 PM

drviking

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

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ORIGINAL: drviking

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

Out all day

Saw part of the Saints game and they really look back to form.

I think whoever wins tomorrow will lose next week.

So far, Saints-Chargers SB still looks good.

John, you should be a sports writer

how many teams have you went through this year

Eagles

Saints

Giants

Packers

Cowboys

back to the saints

anybody else?

Deleted by Lynn G.

very astute analysis

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RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) - 1/16/2010 10:44:58 PM

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What happened to Flacco in the post season? I like the guy but what the Vikes saw was the best he's shown.

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RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) - 1/16/2010 10:47:51 PM

drviking

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What happened to Flacco in the post season? I like the guy but what the Vikes saw was the best he's shown.

with a great run game and solid defense, and playoff experience from last year, i thought he was ready to take a step forward

he was just as bad, if not worse than t jackson

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RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) - 1/16/2010 10:49:55 PM

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What happened to Flacco in the post season? I like the guy but what the Vikes saw was the best he's shown.

So true Steve, we were bringing the heat to Flacco, and he just stood in there making plays against us.

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RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) - 1/16/2010 10:52:06 PM

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We've got to get off to a good start- Percy going about 102 on the opening kick might be just what the Dr. ordered! Huh Doc!

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RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) - 1/16/2010 10:52:38 PM

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Boy's, tomorrow is the day. Fortunately for those who root for the Vikes, the game is decided on the field and not by the media.

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RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) - 1/16/2010 10:55:25 PM

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I'm nervous and very excited!

We can't just fall off here and be forced to endure a Cowboy/NO love fest. Forgotten. All for nothing.

We HAVE to win!

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RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) - 1/16/2010 10:57:00 PM

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We've got to get off to a good start- Percy going about 102 on the opening kick might be just what the Dr. ordered! Huh Doc!

refill as needed!!

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RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) - 1/16/2010 10:59:10 PM

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Boy's, tomorrow is the day. Fortunately for those who root for the Vikes, the game is decided on the field and not by the media.

AD brings it tomorrow...has his biggest day in a long time!

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RE: Predictions for Next Week (and maybe beyond) - 1/16/2010 11:00:06 PM

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I cannot imagine our QB being overwhelmed by nerves after some of his reunion w/ the Pack this year. However that being said, I would love to see about an 14 play drive for a TD to open the game where AD just abuses the Cowboys!!

Kick the ball off, and the D forces a three & out!!!!!

We need all the Metrodome crowd can give us tomorrow!!!

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