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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 1/15/2014 12:12:01 PM

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Hopefully minus the academic fraud.

Or, at the least, getting caught for academic fraud.

Although that doesn't seem to be nearly as big a deal these days. UNC football escaped with a slap on the wrist.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 1/15/2014 12:13:59 PM

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Thing is, I feel like we actually have a coach now who can get us to that sort of status. Tubby brought hope for a couple years, but it quickly became apparent he couldn't coach guys up.

Pitino has already done that, the kids are playing hard, and his schemes make sense (and he seems pretty good at adjusting during a game).

Most positive the program has looked since Clem.

I need to see a lot more then we have. It looks like we get the 3pt or nothing. There is a saying live by the jumper, die by the jumper.

Well, true to a certain extent, but that (to me) is mostly a function of the fact that we have no front court (beyond Eliason). We do not have a Big 10 caliber PF at all.

Additionally, Matheiu has been a revelation in terms of getting in the lane and making relatively good decisions on what to do once he's there.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 1/15/2014 12:44:27 PM

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Richard Pitino Blog: Breaking Down Big Ten Play
By Richard Pitino on January 14, 2014 3:43 PM

Golden Gopher basketball is already four games into conference play, the first Big Ten action for new head coach Richard Pitino. He takes the time to rate his team's performance in each game -- Michigan, Purdue, Penn State and Michigan State.

Richard Pitino's Gophers are 2-2 through the first four B1G games.

Michigan

Good: We outrebounded Michigan by 14, and had 15 offensive rebounds. Elliott having 10 rebounds in 24 minutes was big. He has been our most consistent player. He has earned the right to become more of a leader on our team.

Bad: Shot selection! We are too good of a shooting team to be shooting 26% from the 3-point line. Typically when that happens it comes down to taking shots we don't practice.

Overall: Oto and Elliott showed up on the glass. Austin had 4 big steals. We watched the film and learned that shot selection is key. I have a great deal of respect for Coach Beilein and his program.

Purdue

Good: We learned from our mistakes in the Michigan game. We shot 52% against a very good Purdue defense. Elliott played phenomenal defense on AJ Hammons who was coming off a great game against Ohio State. Elliott had 6 blocks! Austin played a great all around game.

Bad: Last 6 minutes. We miscommunicated on defense. We used poor clock management when we had the lead.

Overall: Showed flashes of greatness for 33 minutes. We executed our game plan offensively and defensively. We made several mistakes that almost cost us a league win.

@ Penn State

Good: DeAndre and Austin made 2 huge steals at the end of the game. Elliott changed the game defensively. We shot 46% from the field in the second half.

Bad: Negative assist to turnover ratio wasn't good. We weren't aggressive enough defensively until the last 2 minutes.

Overall: A road win in the Big Ten is always something to be proud of! We found a way to win when nothing was going right.

@ Michigan State

Good: We played with great poise, confidence, and fearlessness. Every timeout our guys believed we would win the game. We executed in the first half offensively extremely well.

Bad: There was a lot! I counted 50 mistakes that we made throughout the game. Defensively we didn't execute our pick and roll coverage. Offensively we got away from throwing the ball inside. These mistakes will catch up to you against an opponent like Michigan State.

Overall: Much like Purdue we showed flashes of greatness, but we also made costly mistakes at the end of the game. We have to establish our inside attack again.

Can't wait for Thursday night. Let's show college basketball what The Barn is all about, Gopher fans!

Go Gophers,
Richard Pitino

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 1/15/2014 3:09:28 PM

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Thing is, I feel like we actually have a coach now who can get us to that sort of status. Tubby brought hope for a couple years, but it quickly became apparent he couldn't coach guys up.

Pitino has already done that, the kids are playing hard, and his schemes make sense (and he seems pretty good at adjusting during a game).

Most positive the program has looked since Clem.

I need to see a lot more then we have. It looks like we get the 3pt or nothing. There is a saying live by the jumper, die by the jumper.

Well, true to a certain extent, but that (to me) is mostly a function of the fact that we have no front court (beyond Eliason). We do not have a Big 10 caliber PF at all.

Additionally, Matheiu has been a revelation in terms of getting in the lane and making relatively good decisions on what to do once he's there.

You're correct Dave, they do need a bigger PF. It'll take a couple of recruiting classes for him to get the players he needs.

Now watch them upset OSU tomorrow night

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 1/15/2014 4:23:36 PM

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There was an article today on Josh Martin, the PF recruit in Washington, blowing up pretty good. He leads the state in scoring and is one of the top rebounders.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 1/15/2014 7:20:30 PM

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There was an article today on Josh Martin, the PF recruit in Washington, blowing up pretty good. He leads the state in scoring and is one of the top rebounders.

Good. Thanks for the information

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 1/16/2014 7:36:05 AM

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There was an article today on Josh Martin, the PF recruit in Washington, blowing up pretty good. He leads the state in scoring and is one of the top rebounders.

Good. Thanks for the information

I hope he can slot in and be effective quickly -- would be fun to see Hollins/Eliason go out with a good season next year.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 1/16/2014 10:03:56 PM

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When was the last time the Gophers team was more than the sum of its parts?

There is no question Pitino has these kids playing beyond their talent level.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 1/16/2014 10:10:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: Jim Frenette

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

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ORIGINAL: Jim Frenette

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

Thing is, I feel like we actually have a coach now who can get us to that sort of status. Tubby brought hope for a couple years, but it quickly became apparent he couldn't coach guys up.

Pitino has already done that, the kids are playing hard, and his schemes make sense (and he seems pretty good at adjusting during a game).

Most positive the program has looked since Clem.

I need to see a lot more then we have. It looks like we get the 3pt or nothing. There is a saying live by the jumper, die by the jumper.

Well, true to a certain extent, but that (to me) is mostly a function of the fact that we have no front court (beyond Eliason). We do not have a Big 10 caliber PF at all.

Additionally, Matheiu has been a revelation in terms of getting in the lane and making relatively good decisions on what to do once he's there.

You're correct Dave, they do need a bigger PF. It'll take a couple of recruiting classes for him to get the players he needs.

Now watch them upset OSU tomorrow night

I had to repost this prediction

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 1/16/2014 10:22:13 PM 1 votes

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

Thing is, I feel like we actually have a coach now who can get us to that sort of status. Tubby brought hope for a couple years, but it quickly became apparent he couldn't coach guys up.

Pitino has already done that, the kids are playing hard, and his schemes make sense (and he seems pretty good at adjusting during a game).

Most positive the program has looked since Clem.

I need to see a lot more then we have. It looks like we get the 3pt or nothing. There is a saying live by the jumper, die by the jumper.

Well, true to a certain extent, but that (to me) is mostly a function of the fact that we have no front court (beyond Eliason). We do not have a Big 10 caliber PF at all.

Additionally, Matheiu has been a revelation in terms of getting in the lane and making relatively good decisions on what to do once he's there.

You're correct Dave, they do need a bigger PF. It'll take a couple of recruiting classes for him to get the players he needs.

Now watch them upset OSU tomorrow night

I had to repost this prediction

And they only hit three 3s in doing it.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 1/16/2014 11:40:25 PM

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I'm glad I held off ... was just about to post the other day that this doesn't appear to be a team that would EVER upset a powerful opponent.
Come close, yes ... but I didn't see them ever getting it done completely.
Glad to be wrong on that one.
Altho ... B10 teams appear to be beating the crap out of each other, no one is immune this year.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 1/17/2014 7:40:05 AM

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Can we sign Pitino to an extension? This guy has Tubby's kids playing so far beyond what Tubby could get them to do. Eliason is a completely different guy. Would like to see Austin pick it up, but the rest of the team is doing well. Mo had a nice stretch last night too, the best I've seen out of him. Nice victory for the program last night, keep it rolling! Imagine what we could have when he gets a couple of years of recruiting and pulls in a some more talent!

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 1/17/2014 8:12:51 AM

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Can we sign Pitino to an extension? This guy has Tubby's kids playing so far beyond what Tubby could get them to do. Eliason is a completely different guy. Would like to see Austin pick it up, but the rest of the team is doing well. Mo had a nice stretch last night too, the best I've seen out of him. Nice victory for the program last night, keep it rolling! Imagine what we could have when he gets a couple of years of recruiting and pulls in a some more talent!

The problem is extensions for college coaches don't do anything except lock the school into paying if things go badly later. An extension isn't gonna stop him from going somewhere else. Never really understood that part of these college coaching contracts.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 1/17/2014 8:15:21 AM

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Can we sign Pitino to an extension? This guy has Tubby's kids playing so far beyond what Tubby could get them to do. Eliason is a completely different guy. Would like to see Austin pick it up, but the rest of the team is doing well. Mo had a nice stretch last night too, the best I've seen out of him. Nice victory for the program last night, keep it rolling! Imagine what we could have when he gets a couple of years of recruiting and pulls in a some more talent!

Thank you for saying Austin. Major pet peeve is when TV and radio guys just say "Hollins" and we're supposed to know who they are talking about? Sid did it this morning. I used to assume Hollins would mean Dre, but I've heard it go the other way so many times, it's just a coin-flip at this point.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 1/17/2014 8:32:15 AM

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Can we sign Pitino to an extension? This guy has Tubby's kids playing so far beyond what Tubby could get them to do. Eliason is a completely different guy. Would like to see Austin pick it up, but the rest of the team is doing well. Mo had a nice stretch last night too, the best I've seen out of him. Nice victory for the program last night, keep it rolling! Imagine what we could have when he gets a couple of years of recruiting and pulls in a some more talent!

The problem is extensions for college coaches don't do anything except lock the school into paying if things go badly later. An extension isn't gonna stop him from going somewhere else. Never really understood that part of these college coaching contracts.

What usually gets built into these extensions is a huge buyout clause if the coach wants to leave. Assuming the program continues to progress the way it has, I'm sure Pitino will get a raise after the season. Teague and Kaler seem to finally give us a tandum of AD and President that understands the benefits of spending money on a first rate athletic department because it ultimately brings back a lot more in revenues and donations. I've also read a few stories on how coaches are opting to continue building the programs they are in rather than jump for bigger name program. Pitino is really in a good situation to build a program with the new training facility being built. Minnesota is producing multiple D1 players every year now and they have no in state competition for those recruits. As he raises the profile of his program he can stop the mass exodus of players who have been leaving the state ever since Monson and making other programs competitive.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 1/17/2014 9:38:43 AM

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Can we sign Pitino to an extension? This guy has Tubby's kids playing so far beyond what Tubby could get them to do. Eliason is a completely different guy. Would like to see Austin pick it up, but the rest of the team is doing well. Mo had a nice stretch last night too, the best I've seen out of him. Nice victory for the program last night, keep it rolling! Imagine what we could have when he gets a couple of years of recruiting and pulls in a some more talent!

The problem is extensions for college coaches don't do anything except lock the school into paying if things go badly later. An extension isn't gonna stop him from going somewhere else. Never really understood that part of these college coaching contracts.

What usually gets built into these extensions is a huge buyout clause if the coach wants to leave. Assuming the program continues to progress the way it has, I'm sure Pitino will get a raise after the season. Teague and Kaler seem to finally give us a tandum of AD and President that understands the benefits of spending money on a first rate athletic department because it ultimately brings back a lot more in revenues and donations. I've also read a few stories on how coaches are opting to continue building the programs they are in rather than jump for bigger name program. Pitino is really in a good situation to build a program with the new training facility being built. Minnesota is producing multiple D1 players every year now and they have no in state competition for those recruits. As he raises the profile of his program he can stop the mass exodus of players who have been leaving the state ever since Monson and making other programs competitive.

Agree. Less jumping than there used to be. You can really build a program just about anywhere these days. I think there are very few "destination" programs these days: UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, maybe UCLA -- that's about it.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 1/17/2014 9:39:42 AM

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Thing is, I feel like we actually have a coach now who can get us to that sort of status. Tubby brought hope for a couple years, but it quickly became apparent he couldn't coach guys up.

Pitino has already done that, the kids are playing hard, and his schemes make sense (and he seems pretty good at adjusting during a game).

Most positive the program has looked since Clem.

I need to see a lot more then we have. It looks like we get the 3pt or nothing. There is a saying live by the jumper, die by the jumper.

Well, true to a certain extent, but that (to me) is mostly a function of the fact that we have no front court (beyond Eliason). We do not have a Big 10 caliber PF at all.

Additionally, Matheiu has been a revelation in terms of getting in the lane and making relatively good decisions on what to do once he's there.

You're correct Dave, they do need a bigger PF. It'll take a couple of recruiting classes for him to get the players he needs.

Now watch them upset OSU tomorrow night

I had to repost this prediction

Too funny.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 1/17/2014 9:41:49 AM

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As long as he doesn't convince dopes like Rickert to put on a Gophers cap, I'm all for it

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 1/17/2014 9:50:18 AM

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When was the last time the Gophers team was more than the sum of its parts?

There is no question Pitino has these kids playing beyond their talent level.

Agree. First Gophers team that has overachieved in memory. Tubby's teams regularly underperformed.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 1/17/2014 9:50:39 AM

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As long as he doesn't convince dopes like Rickert to put on a Gophers cap, I'm all for it

Amen to that.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 1/17/2014 9:51:19 AM

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Just heard Souhan on 1500...he was making a fool of himself even more than the norm. Argued that Walker and Eliason should both start, and any decent coach could find a way to play them both together.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 1/17/2014 10:52:02 AM

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Souhan is a moron wrapped in an idiot. It says a lot when he is the 3rd best sports columnist on a paper where the other 2 are Ruesse and Sid.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 1/17/2014 12:13:51 PM

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Souhan is a moron wrapped in an idiot. It says a lot when he is the 3rd best sports columnist on a paper where the other 2 are Ruesse and Sid.

He also said the win last night wasn't an upset, claiming no win at home is ever an upset. Honestly, you can't make it up. Not sure who was on with Judd, but he basically was shredding everything Souhan was saying.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 1/17/2014 12:15:13 PM

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Tim, you know I'd never intentionally say something to cause you the remotest irritation -- I'm like the anti-Matt Dahl -- but I'm actually softening up on Ruesse a bit. He's more tolerable on the radio than in print.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 1/17/2014 12:21:31 PM

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I see Corleone lurking. He, Panndder and I agreed Mathieu is the best Gophers PG since Eric Harris. Can't believe it's been 15 years without a decent one.

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