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RE: Gopher Football - 5/12/2014 3:12:21 PM   
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In criminal complaint, Nelson says he does not remember kicking Kolstad. Doesn't know man in red shirt who punched Kolstad either.


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Former Gophers QB Philip Nelson charged with first and third-degree assault. Scheduled to appear in court today around 3:30 pm

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RE: Gopher Football - 5/12/2014 5:16:04 PM   
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RE: Gopher Football - 5/12/2014 6:04:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Several lives destroyed (the victim plus the young people who engaged in such a barbaric act). How sad ... and what a waste. If you're hitting the bars at 2:00 in the morning you've got a pretty good shot at having something bad go down.

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RE: Gopher Football - 5/12/2014 7:16:08 PM   
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Know about, and have seen, both kids grow up.
Horrific that their lives are now intertwined this way.

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RE: Gopher Football - 5/12/2014 8:12:09 PM   
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Several lives destroyed (the victim plus the young people who engaged in such a barbaric act). How sad ... and what a waste. If you're hitting the bars at 2:00 in the morning you've got a pretty good shot at having something bad go down.


To top it off, Nelson only 20 and not at legal age to drink

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RE: Gopher Football - 5/12/2014 9:26:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

Several lives destroyed (the victim plus the young people who engaged in such a barbaric act). How sad ... and what a waste. If you're hitting the bars at 2:00 in the morning you've got a pretty good shot at having something bad go down.


Read the Strib article...and it made me shudder at reading Kolstad was out on the sucker punch and his head hit the pavement hard.

Then Nelson allegedly gave him a soccer ball kick to the head...

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RE: Gopher Football - 5/12/2014 9:33:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Kolstad was a great athlete at East in Mankato.
4 years older than Nelson, who was a prodigy at West.
Not sure how much is being made of that.
I know there is some animosity at different times re: the two different schools.
Haven't heard if it existed here. Just so sad and ugly.

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RE: Gopher Football - 5/12/2014 9:44:48 PM   
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Kolstad was a great athlete at East in Mankato.
4 years older than Nelson, who was a prodigy at West.
Not sure how much is being made of that.
I know there is some animosity at different times re: the two different schools.
Haven't heard if it existed here. Just so sad and ugly.



Strib story says Nelson may have mistaken Kolstad for the bouncer who kissed his girlfriend's hand.

Imagine alcohol played a role. Not sure how big of one.

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RE: Gopher Football - 5/13/2014 8:42:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

Several lives destroyed (the victim plus the young people who engaged in such a barbaric act). How sad ... and what a waste. If you're hitting the bars at 2:00 in the morning you've got a pretty good shot at having something bad go down.


Read the Strib article...and it made me shudder at reading Kolstad was out on the sucker punch and his head hit the pavement hard.

Then Nelson allegedly gave him a soccer ball kick to the head...



Yeah, I read that too Ed. If true, that does not bode well for Nelson. To kick a man who's unconcious and has no defense is just unbelievable.
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RE: Gopher Football - 5/13/2014 10:12:43 AM   
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RE: Gopher Football - 5/13/2014 10:33:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just such a sad story in every facet. I believe in the power of prayer so I'm sending mine to Isaac Kolstad and for all of the individuals involved.

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RE: Gopher Football - 5/13/2014 12:09:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		The guy that punched Kolstad has been arrested. Looks like this started out a garden variety drunken encounter that went tragically out of control. At first I was under the impression that Nelson and the guy in the red shirt were the instigators, but the recordings show that the fight started when Kolstad punched Nelson in the back, which knocked him into another person and they both fell down. Kolstad was walking away when the guy in the red shirt broke from someone restraining him and punched Kolstad in the face. Then Nelson pushed through a crowd and kicked him in the head. I doubt Nelson had any idea of badly hurt he already was. Underaged drinking and stupidity are a dangerous mix.

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RE: Gopher Football - 5/13/2014 2:36:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nelson's knowledge, non-knowledge may not matter. He bruatally kicked a defensless guy in the head. This is going to be interesting to see how it plays out.


the whole angle of "he didn't know" versus "spoiled rich kid football player".

You guys know how ppl are, there won't be much middle ground, no matter what.
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RE: Gopher Football - 5/13/2014 3:21:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think his family's wealth or his being spoiled has anything to do with it. Stupidity and alcohol do. Someone (not Kolstad) was coming on to his girlfriend. He got pissed off, got knocked down and kicked a defenseless man. Just stupidity all around.

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RE: Gopher Football - 5/13/2014 3:53:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		First degree felony assault is a pretty big deal.

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In order to be charged with felony first-degree assault in Minnesota, one of the following must exist:

The assault created a high probability of death or caused serious permanent disfigurement or impairment; or

The assault was through the use or attempted use of deadly force on a peace officer or correctional employee if the officer or employee was fulfilling their employment duties.

If you have been arrested and charged with 1st degree felony assault in Minnesota, you may be facing up to 20 years in prison and a $30,000 fine.


I think a swift kick in the head of a defenseless guy on the ground certainly qualifies.
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RE: Gopher Football - 5/13/2014 4:19:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Given the police report, I would be surprised if the first degree charge holds up. If Kolstad survives, Nelson will probably plead out. The police report clearly establishes that Nelson was not the instigator and was himself struck and knocked down first. If I was a betting man, I would guess that he will plead guilty to the 3rd degree and testify against Shelly. The probability is that the punch thrown by Shelly and Kolstad's head hitting the street is what caused the injuries.

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RE: Gopher Football - 5/13/2014 7:11:19 PM   
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I don't think his family's wealth or his being spoiled has anything to do with it. Stupidity and alcohol do. Someone (not Kolstad) was coming on to his girlfriend. He got pissed off, got knocked down and kicked a defenseless man. Just stupidity all around.



Im not saying that, just that it won't surprise me if that's the public mantra. Right or wrong these things get so polorizing.
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RE: Gopher Football - 5/13/2014 7:13:40 PM   
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Given the police report, I would be surprised if the first degree charge holds up. If Kolstad survives, Nelson will probably plead out. The police report clearly establishes that Nelson was not the instigator and was himself struck and knocked down first. If I was a betting man, I would guess that he will plead guilty to the 3rd degree and testify against Shelly. The probability is that the punch thrown by Shelly and Kolstad's head hitting the street is what caused the injuries.


The police report also said that Kolstad was walking away which means Nelson was not in grave danger. Add to the fact that the guy was on conciuos, by all accounts, and not moving, Nelson might be in bad trouble.


Granted, i have no idea here. Just speculating.
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RE: Gopher Football - 5/13/2014 7:19:36 PM   
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Given the police report, I would be surprised if the first degree charge holds up. If Kolstad survives, Nelson will probably plead out. The police report clearly establishes that Nelson was not the instigator and was himself struck and knocked down first. If I was a betting man, I would guess that he will plead guilty to the 3rd degree and testify against Shelly. The probability is that the punch thrown by Shelly and Kolstad's head hitting the street is what caused the injuries.


If he can testify, I heard he doesn't even remember kicking the kid

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RE: Gopher Football - 5/13/2014 7:21:44 PM   
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Given the police report, I would be surprised if the first degree charge holds up. If Kolstad survives, Nelson will probably plead out. The police report clearly establishes that Nelson was not the instigator and was himself struck and knocked down first. If I was a betting man, I would guess that he will plead guilty to the 3rd degree and testify against Shelly. The probability is that the punch thrown by Shelly and Kolstad's head hitting the street is what caused the injuries.


The police report also said that Kolstad was walking away which means Nelson was not in grave danger. Add to the fact that the guy was on conciuos, by all accounts, and not moving, Nelson might be in bad trouble.


Granted, i have no idea here. Just speculating.


After the sucker punch, the kids head bounced off the sidewalk so that might be where the real damage came from. But doesn't give it the ok to kick him either

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RE: Gopher Football - 5/13/2014 8:36:56 PM   
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Given the police report, I would be surprised if the first degree charge holds up. If Kolstad survives, Nelson will probably plead out. The police report clearly establishes that Nelson was not the instigator and was himself struck and knocked down first. If I was a betting man, I would guess that he will plead guilty to the 3rd degree and testify against Shelly. The probability is that the punch thrown by Shelly and Kolstad's head hitting the street is what caused the injuries.


The police report also said that Kolstad was walking away which means Nelson was not in grave danger. Add to the fact that the guy was on conciuos, by all accounts, and not moving, Nelson might be in bad trouble.


Granted, i have no idea here. Just speculating.


Jeff this all happened in a matter of seconds. Kolstad was also not some little punk that Nelson accosted on the street. He's a big dude and he punched Nelson when his back was turned. I gotta believe if someone sucker punched you and decked you from behind, you would get up and go after him. I sure as hell would. Nelson went after him, saw him on the ground and kicked him. I doubt he saw Kolstad get punched or had any idea how bad he was hurt. There were 3 blows exchanged in this fight in a few seconds and everyone of them by both sides was a cheap shot.

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RE: Gopher Football - 5/13/2014 10:06:40 PM   
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RE: Gopher Football - 5/13/2014 10:57:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I disagree. It's on camera that Nelson was on the receiving end of the first punch. This clearly establishes that he was not the instigator. Then you have to establish that Nelson's kick was the one that caused the life threatening injuries to Kolstad or that he knew how badly Kolstad was injured before delivering the kick. That's going to be hard to do since witnesses all said that the sucker punch thrown by Shelly knocked Kolstad out cold and that his head struck the ground so hard that one witness described it as "the sidewalk smoked his head" and Nelson pushed through the crowd after the punch.

Shelly is in much worse position. He intervened unprovoked into someone else's altercation and likely delivered the blow that caused the massive head trauma to Kolstad.

Whatever the case, the only thing that matters right now is that Kolstad survive his injuries.

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RE: Gopher Football - 5/14/2014 8:06:45 AM   
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I didn't say "instegator", I said "aggressor". Again, I'm no lawyer (and, in fact, haven't seen the video you speak of). I just find it a bit to believe that Nelson thought this guy was some sort of threat to him and his girl after he's laying on the ground unconcious. I would love to see the video (not to be gruesome) to see how long he was down before Nelson kicked him.

I've seen a lot of fights when I was in the Army. Anger gets the best out of guys. If Nelson kicked him right after his head hit, sure. I've got a feeling that the kid was out for a bit while Nelson ran up. I have no proof of that, mind you. Just a hunch based on the fights i've been in and seen.

Bottom line, as it's obvious we see this differently, we both are in agreement 100% on your last line.

Just awful all around.
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RE: Gopher Football - 5/14/2014 8:56:33 AM   
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Agree whole heartedly on the last part.


I've got a feeling that the kid was out for a bit while Nelson ran up. I have no proof of that, mind you. Just a hunch based on the fights i've been in and seen.



I don't know why you are assuming that Jeff. The police said the whole incident was over in about 10 seconds.

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