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RE: Gopher Football - 1/5/2017 8:24:22 AM 1 votes

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Rumor was a lot of season tickets didn't get renewed and they were having trouble with donations for the athletic village....Claeys wasnt the type of coach to help with it (Jerry was better). Jerry is no big loss as Claeys was the better coach. Kill somehow thinks he is royalty--doesn't make sense to me.

Agreed. This whole B.S. of Kill getting indignant with Coyle for his comments on the culture of the program he built is a bit ridiculous. Last time I checked Jerry, 10 of the kids you and Tracy Claeys recruited and coached engaged in or facilitated a group sexual assault. Do think maybe that undermines your self righteousness a bit?

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RE: Gopher Football - 1/5/2017 9:58:07 AM

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Reports out that W.Mich has scheduled a team meeting. Tomorrow, I believe.

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RE: Gopher Football - 1/5/2017 10:10:17 AM

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Reports out that W.Mich has scheduled a team meeting. Tomorrow, I believe.

The timing all makes sense. They fire Claeys the day after W. Mich bowl game.

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RE: Gopher Football - 1/5/2017 10:12:49 AM

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Reports out that W.Mich has scheduled a team meeting. Tomorrow, I believe.

The timing all makes sense. They fire Claeys the day after W. Mich bowl game.

http://www.1500espn.com/gophers-2/2017/01/fleck-bust-coyles-bold-move-gives-one-choice-new-gophers-coach/

Travis Haney, a national college football writer for 24-7 Sports, reported Monday that multiple sources were “keeping an eye on” Fleck as a candidate if Claeys was fired. After the decision was made public Tuesday afternoon, he tweeted that several of his sources said, “Minnesota would not have fired Claeys unless Fleck was coming.”

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RE: Gopher Football - 1/5/2017 10:18:27 AM

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Rumor was a lot of season tickets didn't get renewed and they were having trouble with donations for the athletic village....Claeys wasnt the type of coach to help with it (Jerry was better). Jerry is no big loss as Claeys was the better coach. Kill somehow thinks he is royalty--doesn't make sense to me.

Agreed. This whole B.S. of Kill getting indignant with Coyle for his comments on the culture of the program he built is a bit ridiculous. Last time I checked Jerry, 10 of the kids you and Tracy Claeys recruited and coached engaged in or facilitated a group sexual assault. Do think maybe that undermines your self righteousness a bit?

Sweens that is where it is really grey....it is up to 10 kids and they don't know for sure on all the kids after the first 2 and one was a recruit. We don't know which kids are lying about their involvement as they are accusing the girl of being drunk during it---so there is a chance she is picking the wrong kids out of the 100 some on the team

The scary part that I have heard from someone is this wasn't the first one as one of the guys job was to watch the door and he mentioned that he had done it before.

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RE: Gopher Football - 1/5/2017 10:26:34 AM

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Rumor was a lot of season tickets didn't get renewed and they were having trouble with donations for the athletic village....Claeys wasnt the type of coach to help with it (Jerry was better). Jerry is no big loss as Claeys was the better coach. Kill somehow thinks he is royalty--doesn't make sense to me.

Agreed. This whole B.S. of Kill getting indignant with Coyle for his comments on the culture of the program he built is a bit ridiculous. Last time I checked Jerry, 10 of the kids you and Tracy Claeys recruited and coached engaged in or facilitated a group sexual assault. Do think maybe that undermines your self righteousness a bit?

Sweens that is where it is really grey....it is up to 10 kids and they don't know for sure on all the kids after the first 2 and one was a recruit. We don't know which kids are lying about their involvement as they are accusing the girl of being drunk during it---so there is a chance she is picking the wrong kids out of the 100 some on the team

The scary part that I have heard from someone is this wasn't the first one as one of the guys job was to watch the door and he mentioned that he had done it before.

Have you read the report? I have. In its entirety...not an easy thing to get through.

All they needed was a preponderance of evidence against any particular individual. Meaning just reasonable doubt was not enough to get him off. If it was more likely than not he was guilty, that's enough. I think they had that.

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RE: Gopher Football - 1/5/2017 10:27:24 AM

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http://www.thedailygopher.com/2017/1/3/14128436/minnesota-football-coaching-search-candidatespj-fleck-dave-aranda-greg-schiano-brian-harsin

Good read.

He brings up Jim Tressel's name that I found interesting. Might be a good hire

Biggest crook on the planet. I would never watch another Gopher game.

I can't remember why he got booted at OSU. Wasn't it recruiting violations?

His program at OSU was about as dirty as it can get. He was a virtual God on the Youngstown State campus for his four national titles there as a head coach. Now he is their President.

Let's simply say he wasn't hired as Youngstown State for his academic integrity.

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RE: Gopher Football - 1/5/2017 10:38:15 AM

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer
Rumor was a lot of season tickets didn't get renewed and they were having trouble with donations for the athletic village....Claeys wasnt the type of coach to help with it (Jerry was better). Jerry is no big loss as Claeys was the better coach. Kill somehow thinks he is royalty--doesn't make sense to me.

Agreed. This whole B.S. of Kill getting indignant with Coyle for his comments on the culture of the program he built is a bit ridiculous. Last time I checked Jerry, 10 of the kids you and Tracy Claeys recruited and coached engaged in or facilitated a group sexual assault. Do think maybe that undermines your self righteousness a bit?

Sweens that is where it is really grey....it is up to 10 kids and they don't know for sure on all the kids after the first 2 and one was a recruit. We don't know which kids are lying about their involvement as they are accusing the girl of being drunk during it---so there is a chance she is picking the wrong kids out of the 100 some on the team

The scary part that I have heard from someone is this wasn't the first one as one of the guys job was to watch the door and he mentioned that he had done it before.

Have you read the report? I have. In its entirety...not an easy thing to get through.

All they needed was a preponderance of evidence against any particular individual. Meaning just reasonable doubt was not enough to get him off. If it was more likely than not he was guilty, that's enough. I think they had that.

I don't care to read thru the reports....a student can be expelled or put on probation for almost anything. They should be worried more about legal charges.

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RE: Gopher Football - 1/5/2017 10:40:24 AM

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I don't want any kids in my university who think sex ten on one is ok or normal.
Or kids who think her being drunk changes anything.
Should have been the only thought of the administration and coaches.
Physical evidence or not.
Clear bottom line here.
Stick up for, or be a part of, even a sniff of that mentality ..... and we don't want you here.
Period.

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RE: Gopher Football - 1/5/2017 10:57:30 AM

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer
Rumor was a lot of season tickets didn't get renewed and they were having trouble with donations for the athletic village....Claeys wasnt the type of coach to help with it (Jerry was better). Jerry is no big loss as Claeys was the better coach. Kill somehow thinks he is royalty--doesn't make sense to me.

Agreed. This whole B.S. of Kill getting indignant with Coyle for his comments on the culture of the program he built is a bit ridiculous. Last time I checked Jerry, 10 of the kids you and Tracy Claeys recruited and coached engaged in or facilitated a group sexual assault. Do think maybe that undermines your self righteousness a bit?

Sweens that is where it is really grey....it is up to 10 kids and they don't know for sure on all the kids after the first 2 and one was a recruit. We don't know which kids are lying about their involvement as they are accusing the girl of being drunk during it---so there is a chance she is picking the wrong kids out of the 100 some on the team

The scary part that I have heard from someone is this wasn't the first one as one of the guys job was to watch the door and he mentioned that he had done it before.

Have you read the report? I have. In its entirety...not an easy thing to get through.

All they needed was a preponderance of evidence against any particular individual. Meaning just reasonable doubt was not enough to get him off. If it was more likely than not he was guilty, that's enough. I think they had that.

I don't care to read thru the reports....a student can be expelled or put on probation for almost anything. They should be worried more about legal charges.

That is complete and utter bullshit. Today, it is necessary to have a preponderance of evidence to demonstrate that students have cheated on an assignment or on an exam.

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RE: Gopher Football - 1/5/2017 11:20:54 AM

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Rumor was a lot of season tickets didn't get renewed and they were having trouble with donations for the athletic village....Claeys wasnt the type of coach to help with it (Jerry was better). Jerry is no big loss as Claeys was the better coach. Kill somehow thinks he is royalty--doesn't make sense to me.

Agreed. This whole B.S. of Kill getting indignant with Coyle for his comments on the culture of the program he built is a bit ridiculous. Last time I checked Jerry, 10 of the kids you and Tracy Claeys recruited and coached engaged in or facilitated a group sexual assault. Do think maybe that undermines your self righteousness a bit?

Sweens that is where it is really grey....it is up to 10 kids and they don't know for sure on all the kids after the first 2 and one was a recruit. We don't know which kids are lying about their involvement as they are accusing the girl of being drunk during it---so there is a chance she is picking the wrong kids out of the 100 some on the team

The scary part that I have heard from someone is this wasn't the first one as one of the guys job was to watch the door and he mentioned that he had done it before.

If you read the report, it is not gray. There is plenty of corroboration and video evidence of who she picked out. And more to my initial point ... Kill has no business getting indignant over Coyle's comments in light of what happened. Don't pretend the culture was beyond reproach when something like this happened.

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RE: Gopher Football - 1/5/2017 11:26:21 AM

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer
Rumor was a lot of season tickets didn't get renewed and they were having trouble with donations for the athletic village....Claeys wasnt the type of coach to help with it (Jerry was better). Jerry is no big loss as Claeys was the better coach. Kill somehow thinks he is royalty--doesn't make sense to me.

Agreed. This whole B.S. of Kill getting indignant with Coyle for his comments on the culture of the program he built is a bit ridiculous. Last time I checked Jerry, 10 of the kids you and Tracy Claeys recruited and coached engaged in or facilitated a group sexual assault. Do think maybe that undermines your self righteousness a bit?

Sweens that is where it is really grey....it is up to 10 kids and they don't know for sure on all the kids after the first 2 and one was a recruit. We don't know which kids are lying about their involvement as they are accusing the girl of being drunk during it---so there is a chance she is picking the wrong kids out of the 100 some on the team
The scary part that I have heard from someone is this wasn't the first one as one of the guys job was to watch the door and he mentioned that he had done it before.

Have you read the report? I have. In its entirety...not an easy thing to get through.
All they needed was a preponderance of evidence against any particular individual. Meaning just reasonable doubt was not enough to get him off. If it was more likely than not he was guilty, that's enough. I think they had that.

I don't care to read thru the reports....a student can be expelled or put on probation for almost anything. They should be worried more about legal charges.

That is complete and utter bullshit. Today, it is necessary to have a preponderance of evidence to demonstrate that students have cheated on an assignment or on an exam.

I agree, Yes it should be proven. Full Ride Scholarships are a little different than paying your own way and expulsion is totally different than probation. A student can be on probation if they are under a 2.0 GPA or any minor thing. Expulsion means they know for sure and are gone.

5 were recommended for expulsion, 4 for 1-year suspension, and 1 for probation. I don't really understand the difference between the expulsion or suspension. You place a football player on suspension...he will leave for another school any way.

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RE: Gopher Football - 1/5/2017 11:29:04 AM

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer
Rumor was a lot of season tickets didn't get renewed and they were having trouble with donations for the athletic village....Claeys wasnt the type of coach to help with it (Jerry was better). Jerry is no big loss as Claeys was the better coach. Kill somehow thinks he is royalty--doesn't make sense to me.

Agreed. This whole B.S. of Kill getting indignant with Coyle for his comments on the culture of the program he built is a bit ridiculous. Last time I checked Jerry, 10 of the kids you and Tracy Claeys recruited and coached engaged in or facilitated a group sexual assault. Do think maybe that undermines your self righteousness a bit?

Sweens that is where it is really grey....it is up to 10 kids and they don't know for sure on all the kids after the first 2 and one was a recruit. We don't know which kids are lying about their involvement as they are accusing the girl of being drunk during it---so there is a chance she is picking the wrong kids out of the 100 some on the team

The scary part that I have heard from someone is this wasn't the first one as one of the guys job was to watch the door and he mentioned that he had done it before.

Have you read the report? I have. In its entirety...not an easy thing to get through.

All they needed was a preponderance of evidence against any particular individual. Meaning just reasonable doubt was not enough to get him off. If it was more likely than not he was guilty, that's enough. I think they had that.

I don't care to read thru the reports....a student can be expelled or put on probation for almost anything. They should be worried more about legal charges.

That is complete and utter bullshit. Today, it is necessary to have a preponderance of evidence to demonstrate that students have cheated on an assignment or on an exam.

In order to expel the 5 there must have been damning evidence....the suspensions make no sense to me. I have never heard of a 1 year suspension.

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RE: Gopher Football - 1/5/2017 11:43:07 AM

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Reports out that W.Mich has scheduled a team meeting. Tomorrow, I believe.

According to Joe Schmidt, Coyle and Kaler did meet with Fleck yesterday.

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RE: Gopher Football - 1/5/2017 12:07:54 PM

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Rumor was a lot of season tickets didn't get renewed and they were having trouble with donations for the athletic village....Claeys wasnt the type of coach to help with it (Jerry was better). Jerry is no big loss as Claeys was the better coach. Kill somehow thinks he is royalty--doesn't make sense to me.

Agreed. This whole B.S. of Kill getting indignant with Coyle for his comments on the culture of the program he built is a bit ridiculous. Last time I checked Jerry, 10 of the kids you and Tracy Claeys recruited and coached engaged in or facilitated a group sexual assault. Do think maybe that undermines your self righteousness a bit?

Sweens that is where it is really grey....it is up to 10 kids and they don't know for sure on all the kids after the first 2 and one was a recruit. We don't know which kids are lying about their involvement as they are accusing the girl of being drunk during it---so there is a chance she is picking the wrong kids out of the 100 some on the team

The scary part that I have heard from someone is this wasn't the first one as one of the guys job was to watch the door and he mentioned that he had done it before.

If you read the report, it is not gray. There is plenty of corroboration and video evidence of who she picked out. And more to my initial point ... Kill has no business getting indignant over Coyle's comments in light of what happened. Don't pretend the culture was beyond reproach when something like this happened.

The way it went down, it was entirely enabled by culture.

First, it's bad enough that a player and a recruit double teamed on her. But at least at that point one could make an argument that she consented, though wasn't happy about it. Then after that the messages started flying around, the players got wind that there was a vulnerable woman, and a total wolfpack mentality ensued.

Kill can just eff right off with being indignant about questions being asked about how all this was possible. No it doesn't mean Claeys is pro sexual assault. But it may mean he's doing a poor job of commincating what sort of behavior is expected of UM athletes...not to mention bungling the handling of it when they do screw up.

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RE: Gopher Football - 1/5/2017 12:58:09 PM

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Couple fails here

1 administration for the handling of this and their timing

2 Claeys for not getting with his team and not only preventing the boycott but his tweet endorsed it

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RE: Gopher Football - 1/5/2017 1:14:16 PM

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Couple fails here
1 administration for the handling of this and their timing
2 Claeys for not getting with his team and not only preventing the boycott but his tweet endorsed it

I don't know how as an administration you handle it....it is going to look like shit no matter what. I don't blame administration for what 10% of the football team did. The university tries to protect the girl and the football team gets upset and wants more details. More details come out after the attempted boycott because not all the players knew what happened and more want action. Biggest scholarship sport. Just a cluster to contain.

Somehow the video of 3 or 4 basketball players video wasn't blown up as much.

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RE: Gopher Football - 1/5/2017 8:50:32 PM

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Joe Schmidt is saying that he believes Minnesota will announce Fleck as the new coach tomorrow. The contract will probably be in the neighborhood of 6 years $21M.

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RE: Gopher Football - 1/5/2017 9:24:07 PM

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Joe Schmidt is saying that he believes Minnesota will announce Fleck as the new coach tomorrow. The contract will probably be in the neighborhood of 6 years $21M.

There is a lot of danger in hiring the flavor of the month to such a huge deal.

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RE: Gopher Football - 1/5/2017 9:28:09 PM

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Very true. After all of the buyout money they have shelled out to various coaches they better be damn sure that this is their guy if they are going to pay that kind of money.

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RE: Gopher Football - 1/5/2017 9:29:05 PM

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Now Fox 9 is reporting that it's a done deal.

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RE: Gopher Football - 1/5/2017 9:41:43 PM

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Very true. After all of the buyout money they have shelled out to various coaches they better be damn sure that this is their guy if they are going to pay that kind of money.

I doubt Coyle even knew this guy's name 3 months ago. Scary.

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RE: Gopher Football - 1/5/2017 9:44:14 PM

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I question anyone crazy enough to take the Gophers football job in this climate. But I guess the money is mostly guaranteed.

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RE: Gopher Football - 1/5/2017 9:48:21 PM

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Safe to say they wont get off with a $500K buyout on this one. Despite the fallout from the sexual assault, the Gopher job is probably the most it's been to a new coach in decades. They are coming off a 9 win season with a bowl victory and have gone to bowl games 5 years in a row now. Assuming Fleck signs, he comes into a situation where he can succeed early.

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RE: Gopher Football - 1/5/2017 9:56:42 PM

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Now other sources are saying there is no deal yet.

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