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RE: Gopher Football - 11/26/2018 10:37:38 AM   
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IF the Nebraska rise continues
and many more IFs ....
This Western division of the B10 could be one hell of a fun deal in a couple years.
A real dogfight.
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RE: Gopher Football - 11/26/2018 11:06:27 AM   
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RE: Gopher Football - 11/26/2018 11:55:28 AM   
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The frustration that undermines the Axe and a bowl game is the fact that if these defensive issues had been cleaned up in the beginning, the Gophers could easily have 8-9 wins and a much better bowl game.

I like the idea of being in a bowl game we can actually win.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/26/2018 12:13:53 PM   
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RE: Gopher Football - 11/26/2018 12:37:41 PM   
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I like the idea of the program pushing itself to the highest level it can achieve every year.

What year did you move to Minnesota?
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RE: Gopher Football - 11/26/2018 12:45:44 PM   
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I like the idea of the program pushing itself to the highest level it can achieve every year.

What year did you move to Minnesota?


I said I like the idea. I didn't say that I expect it to happen.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/28/2018 11:29:30 AM   
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I like the idea of the program pushing itself to the highest level it can achieve every year.


Actually as young as they are, I honestly thought the ceiling this year was 6-6 and a little bowl berth. That's right where they ended up.

But Fleck is still accountable. It's on Fleck that they did this great purge. They didn't 'Have' to go this young. He didn't inherit a bare cupboard. He inherited a 9 win team with a bowl win.

I can see why a new coach does it. Loading up the team with a bunch of freshmen serves two purposes. It gets 'His' players on the team quicker and lets him start molding it his way. And it also gives him a built in 2 year excuse. Gives him a two year pass to have shitty records.

They'll never call it an excuse. In true coach speak they'll emphatically deny it's an excuse...meanwhile pointing out every chance they get how young the team is.
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RE: Gopher Football - 11/28/2018 11:42:20 AM   
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I had started that thought process the other day, and gave up.
I was thinking after the Washington State win ... the things you just said
No reason to blow that team up, esp the D
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RE: Gopher Football - 11/28/2018 12:00:59 PM   
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I like the idea of the program pushing itself to the highest level it can achieve every year.


Actually as young as they are, I honestly thought the ceiling this year was 6-6 and a little bowl berth. That's right where they ended up.

But Fleck is still accountable. It's on Fleck that they did this great purge. They didn't 'Have' to go this young. He didn't inherit a bare cupboard. He inherited a 9 win team with a bowl win.

I can see why a new coach does it. Loading up the team with a bunch of freshmen serves two purposes. It gets 'His' players on the team quicker and lets him start molding it his way. And it also gives him a built in 2 year excuse. Gives him a two year pass to have shitty records.

They'll never call it an excuse. In true coach speak they'll emphatically deny it's an excuse...meanwhile pointing out every chance they get how young the team is.



Let's be clear. The team Fleck inherited was not going to win 9 games again, no matter who coached it. They graduated good players, others transferred when Claeys was fired and other than RB, the cupboard was pretty bare.

I disagree with the notion that Fleck played freshmen to build in 2 years of excuses. Coaches try to take advantage of the honeymoon phase to redshirt as many players as possible. Fleck was playing freshmen and sophmores because that is the bulk of his roster and the upper classmen on his roster weren't very good.

Like I said, where Fleck is rippable is that he waited too long to address the defensive problems. The performance of this team after he changed DC's and simplified the scheme underscored the winnable games they tossed away earlier in the year. The talent on this team may be young, but with proper coaching on the defensive side of the ball, they could have been a lot more competitive than they were.

This team had the talent to be more. The fact that they weren't is on Fleck.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/28/2018 12:55:37 PM   
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I like the idea of the program pushing itself to the highest level it can achieve every year.


They didn't 'Have' to go this young. He didn't inherit a bare cupboard. He inherited a 9 win team with a bowl win.


Most importantly, he inherited a Mitch Leidner graduation.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/28/2018 12:59:52 PM   
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I like the idea of the program pushing itself to the highest level it can achieve every year.


They didn't 'Have' to go this young. He didn't inherit a bare cupboard. He inherited a 9 win team with a bowl win.


Most importantly, he inherited a Mitch Leidner graduation.


No, Connor Rhoda and Demery Croft ably demonstrated that there is even worse than Mitch Leidner.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/28/2018 1:46:53 PM   
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RE: Gopher Football - 11/28/2018 2:01:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		The youth question aside, you are right that the defensive problem should have and could have been solved sooner than it was. The big plays they were giving up were ridiculous. A runner would break one tackle and suddenly, 60 yards of open field in front of him. And it happened again and again. That's coaching.

Once they changed DCs the problem went away. Better late than never, and really an 8-4 bowl would serve about the same purpose as a 6-6 one for this year. So I'm not too concerned about the missed opportunity. Just glad they did finally address it. And new DC seems to be popular with the players, so that sounds good.
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RE: Gopher Football - 11/28/2018 2:22:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		They serve the same purpose, but not in equal measure. It gives them that coveted extra month of practice and any bowl participation helps recruiting. With that said, an 8-4 bowl game has more name recognition and a bigger stage. It looks more impressive to recruits than a 6-6 bowl appearance. It also looks more impressive to the alumni, who they hope will contribute more money.

I'm not saying the season a failure by any means. I'm just saying it could have been better. Fleck may become a better coach out of this as well. Who knows?

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/29/2018 6:56:01 AM   
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RE: Gopher Football - 11/29/2018 7:21:30 AM   
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Last time we had that thing, he was a kid.
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RE: Gopher Football - 11/29/2018 7:24:12 AM   
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We get it.
We finally got it.
Get over it.
Quit acting like its a miracle and make it happen consistently.
This is starting to get embarrassing, and it will be even worse when its brought up at every rubber chicken meeting from now until next Fall.
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RE: Gopher Football - 11/29/2018 7:25:24 AM   
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Tyler Johnson selected first team All Big Ten. Way to go kid.

Helluva player
Should be a solid Sunday player at some point. (and Monday and Thursday...)
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RE: Gopher Football - 11/29/2018 7:30:20 AM   
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RE: Gopher Football - 11/29/2018 7:38:58 AM   
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Even our local hero.
How is that possible? The whole line? What? Gotta check into this.
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RE: Gopher Football - 11/29/2018 1:07:23 PM   
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Gotta love how we are acting like taking a traveling trophy back from a football program that shouldn't be any better than us, but has been ... for a hundred years, is some monumental accomplishment.
We get it.
We finally got it.
Get over it.
Quit acting like its a miracle and make it happen consistently.
This is starting to get embarrassing, and it will be even worse when its brought up at every rubber chicken meeting from now until next Fall.


Seriously, I'm ready to take an oar and go full on seal beating on you.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/29/2018 1:15:04 PM   
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that took longer than I thought it would.
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RE: Gopher Football - 12/2/2018 3:56:00 PM   
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Quick Lane Bowl

Georgia Tech

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RE: Gopher Football - 12/2/2018 6:43:17 PM   
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RE: Gopher Football - 12/2/2018 8:44:21 PM   
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We're going to need a row the boat icon if that happens!

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