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RE: Gopher Football - 10/18/2010 10:47:53 AM   
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Lots of real good coaching names.  I'll probably be alright with whoever they pick (if it's someone already mentioned).  I'll throw our a few more:

Both Terry & Tommy Bowden are available, although I think they are more right coast guys and unsure if there are any ties to the Midwest, much less Minnesota.

Jeff Jagodzinski - I'm sure he would bring along Steve Logan as they have been together at several college & pro stops.  He was 20-8 in his 2 years at Boston College & with Logan as the OC, they helped develop Matt Ryan.  Also, Logan was HC of all those fun East Carolina teams back in the 90's.  Jags was the OC and they developed QB's like Jeff Blake, Marcus Crandell and David Garrard.  MarQueis Gray anyone?!  Jags has some Wisconsin ties so is familiar with the Midwest.

Young coordinators may not be the most poplular but the following names will get a look down the road:

Major Applewhite & Will Muschamp at Texas.  Both guys will get a shot in the near future.
Paul Chryst - at Wisconsin.  His name has been brought up already.
David Gibbs - son of Joe Gibbs.  He was one of the best DC's the Gophers have ever had.
Josh Heupel - Doubt he's ready for a Big 10 HC job yet, but a good offensive mind.
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RE: Gopher Football - 10/18/2010 10:56:04 AM   
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Karl for as big as you say they are, they are still be pushed around like rag dolls

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RE: Gopher Football - 10/18/2010 10:56:56 AM   
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Hire Trestman......he should have been hired by an NFL team a long time ago.

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In September, 2010, former Minnesota Gophers quarterback and NFL Super Bowl Champion coach Tony Dungy was asked whether he'd read an article by a Minnesota sports writer regarding rumors about Dungy becoming the Gophers's next coach. He replied: "I have not and you can tell whoever wrote that story that they need to focus on Marc Trestman
 
I agree with Dungy

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RE: Gopher Football - 10/18/2010 11:10:15 AM   
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Good enough for Dungy, good enough for me.
I've always liked Trestman.

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RE: Gopher Football - 10/18/2010 11:23:10 AM   
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I'm frankly puzzled by the Les Frazier mention.
He's got to be one of the top 2-3 guys in line for a ton of NFL jobs that will probably open up.
It's almost like he doesn't realize it.

Another good coach I'll be pissed about that we let leave here, while keeping our head-nerd-in-charge.
He'll take the same path Tomlin did ... leave here and have immedaite success, because he's bright, innovative, energetic, and players love him.

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RE: Gopher Football - 10/18/2010 11:26:12 AM   
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Looking at that list ....
I'd bet the farm we offer it to Leach.
Only because the heat is on Maturi finally, and he will have to go a tiny bit outside the comfort zone for once.
Pretty decent list, to be honest.


You'd lose the farm. There are too many other good candidates on the list for Maturi to take on someone with Leach's baggage.

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RE: Gopher Football - 10/18/2010 11:28:42 AM   
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Good stuff from CNNSI:


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So Minnesota wins the 2010 award for fastest coaching firing. By axing the flailing Tim Brewster on Oct. 17, AD Joel Maturi beat 2009 winner Memphis (Tommy West) by three weeks, but couldn't quite match 2008 winner Clemson, which ousted Tommy Bowden on Oct. 13.

Brewster's dismissal was inevitable, what with a 15-30 record and the program slinking to a 1-6 start (including losses to South Dakota and Northern Illinois) at a time when the program should really be building momentum following last year's opening of TC Bank Stadium. Rarely have I seen a coach as outwardly loathed as Brewster, who burned through six coordinators in four seasons and purportedly butted heads with nearly anyone connected to the program. Maturi delivered this parting shot Sunday when delivering a message to Brewster's hypothetical successor.

"You're not following Vince Lombardi here," said Maturi.

Well, Joel, you're not exactly Jeremy Foley, either.

Scroll back through the recent annals of Minnesota history. In 2006, Maturi gave then-coach Glen Mason a lucrative four-year extension only to turn around and fire him a year later after the Gophers blew a 31-point lead in the Insight Bowl, costing the school roughly $3.6 in buyouts and deferred compensation. As Mason's replacement, he hired a tight ends coach from the Denver Broncos who'd never even served as a coordinator at the college or pro level. Now, he's pledging to find "a Tubby Smith" for football, referring to the Gophers' revered hoops coach.

Would you trust this guy to make the right hire?

If "high profile" is Maturi's top priority (and it probably should be to generate buzz for the program), one has to think the guy who delivered Mason's Insight Bowl death blow, former Texas Tech coach Mike Leach, is near the top of the list. (Maturi said he contacted Tony Dungy, but that the alum is not interested.) By opening the job now, Maturi gets a head start in the courtship. There's nothing stopping him from contacting the unemployed Leach tomorrow.

But somehow that move probably makes too much sense.



Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/stewart_mandel/10/17/bcs-standings-boise-state/3.html#ixzz12jEIyY1A
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RE: Gopher Football - 10/18/2010 11:31:24 AM   
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One of the Gopher beat writers from the Pioneer Press  was on MPR this morning. When asked what specifically it is that Wisconsin and Iowa do that the Gophers can’t seem to do he said it boiled to size. He said the premier athletes generally go to the elite programs and there isn’t much you can do about it. Wisconsin and Iowa counter that by recruiting size and building power running games. Build a massive wall of beef up front and control the ball. Then funnel the bulk of the top athletes to defense. It sounds like the Mason approach except Mase could never get the defense where it needed to be to complete. I don’t know if that is really true or not. I would like to have seen what would have happened if Brewster had stuck with Mike Dunbar and the spread. I think he lost the interest of a lot of offensive recruits when he switched horses in mid stream and tried the power running scheme. If he had been smart enough to commit to the offense that he spent his first 2 years recruiting he would have a dynamic scheme run by an elite coordinator and the ball would be in the hands of Marquis Gray, potentially an elite play maker, on every down.

I agree with the sentiment of getting a real head coach. I think the interest in Trestman is real this time around because he became a head coach since the last time the job was open and has been extremely successful with two Gray Cup championships.

One coach that really intrigues me is Kevin Sumlin of Houston. Troy Calhoun of Air Force is also kind of interesting.


I've been saying for years that the Gophers need more beef on both lines



I'm gonna disagree to a point on this.  Our O-line this year is just slightly smaller than Wisconsin's...and clearly bigger than Iowa's.  Every starter and top backup is at or over 300 pounds.  We have gotten bigger there.  On the defensive line, our tackles are heavier than both Wisky & Iowa.  Edwards is 335!  Iowa's Klug, a minnesota kid is just 275....but a real nice player.  At DE, we can get every bit a big a necessary.  Hageman & Jacobs are around the 300 mark.  KGM is about 275.  The problem as I see it, is we don't have anyone who can rush the passer.  Wilhite and Garin are supposed to do that, but where are the results?  I remember Mason as the guy who used 240 DT's and 205 LB's.  If we are too small somewhere, it's probably at RB.  We don't have the big horses like Wisconsin.

I still say it's about getting the right players for your system, something Brew didn't do well enough.

And ultimately, it's winning......Brew was simply not a very good head coach in that regard.



This kind of plays into what I have been saying this season. The athletes on this Gopher team are bigger, stronger and faster than at any time during the Mason era. And there are more of them. Somebody who actually knew how to coach would be having a good year with this team.

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RE: Gopher Football - 10/18/2010 11:32:28 AM   
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Looking at that list ....
I'd bet the farm we offer it to Leach.
Only because the heat is on Maturi finally, and he will have to go a tiny bit outside the comfort zone for once.
Pretty decent list, to be honest.


You'd lose the farm
. There are too many other good candidates on the list for Maturi to take on someone with Leach's baggage.



Damn.
Tenth time now.
Kinda was trying to say that, that Leach scarrrrrres us here. And Maturi has to be looking to make a splash (as he heads out the door)
Even he has to admit the Brewster hiring was a hail mary that failed miserably.

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RE: Gopher Football - 10/18/2010 11:36:51 AM   
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Ok Brewster was making $1M and Tubby $2M. Which program brings in more money? Why can't they offer Petersen of Boise St the same $2M as he is making $1.6M now

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RE: Gopher Football - 10/18/2010 11:40:13 AM   
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Petersen is THEE GUY nationally.
Getting him would be a MIRACLE.

Love him, just sayin' ..........

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RE: Gopher Football - 10/18/2010 11:48:31 AM   
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Peterson and his program underscore my frustration. You should be able to have a winning program in Minneapolis if you can build a major contender in Boise Freakin Idaho. 

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RE: Gopher Football - 10/18/2010 11:52:41 AM   
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A caller on KFAN just mentioned George O'Leary as a possibility. Not a bad idea.

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RE: Gopher Football - 10/18/2010 11:55:33 AM   
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Gophers win 6 games in that conference, just saying...
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RE: Gopher Football - 10/18/2010 11:56:48 AM   
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A caller on KFAN just mentioned George O'Leary as a possibility. Not a bad idea.


Do we want to hire a 64 year old guy?
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RE: Gopher Football - 10/18/2010 11:58:21 AM   
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Sixty four isn't old anymore (except when you're a college student).

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RE: Gopher Football - 10/18/2010 12:01:00 PM   
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Sixty four isn't old anymore (except when you're a college student).


The people we'd be selling him to aren't quite college students.
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RE: Gopher Football - 10/18/2010 12:01:43 PM   
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It seems like Jo Pa continued to have a lot of success long after he hit his sixties. {shrug}

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RE: Gopher Football - 10/18/2010 12:03:53 PM   
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Peterson and his program underscore my frustration. You should be able to have a winning program in Minneapolis if you can build a major contender in Boise Freakin Idaho. 


Exactly
Blows every one of those stupid "we can't compete here" arguments by under-achievers ... to smithereens.
Some people spend their time looking for excuses. Others simply won't be denied.

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RE: Gopher Football - 10/18/2010 12:06:16 PM   
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It seems like Jo Pa continued to have a lot of success long after he hit his sixties. {shrug}


I know this will get me crucified (I'll say it anyway)
JoePa and I have had the same impact on Penn State football the past couple years. IMO.
He's a symbol. That's an odd situation there. I mean really ... watch his pressers .... "Hey! You kids! Get off my lawn!"

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RE: Gopher Football - 10/18/2010 12:07:14 PM   
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It seems like Jo Pa continued to have a lot of success long after he hit his sixties. {shrug}


Yeah, but he's an institution there and doesn't have the baggage that O'Leary has. I'm not saying it would be a bad hire, just that I have my concerns.
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RE: Gopher Football - 10/18/2010 12:08:13 PM   
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I'm frankly puzzled by the Les Frazier mention.
He's got to be one of the top 2-3 guys in line for a ton of NFL jobs that will probably open up.
It's almost like he doesn't realize it.

Another good coach I'll be pissed about that we let leave here, while keeping our head-nerd-in-charge.
He'll take the same path Tomlin did ... leave here and have immedaite success, because he's bright, innovative, energetic, and players love him.



There is a rumor out there that Fraizer has already expressed interested in the Gopher job.  An internet tweet or blog or something that got reported in the Strib. 

And you know if it's on the internet, it must be true!

I'd be very cool with that hire. 
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RE: Gopher Football - 10/18/2010 12:15:49 PM   
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Whoever they hire is fine by me as long as they get it right for once. Let's try something novel and actually step up and pay the money for a bonafide head coach. For once let's not do it on the cheap.

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RE: Gopher Football - 10/18/2010 12:17:00 PM   
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Lots of real good coaching names.  I'll probably be alright with whoever they pick (if it's someone already mentioned).  I'll throw our a few more:

Both Terry & Tommy Bowden are available, although I think they are more right coast guys and unsure if there are any ties to the Midwest, much less Minnesota.

Jeff Jagodzinski - I'm sure he would bring along Steve Logan as they have been together at several college & pro stops.  He was 20-8 in his 2 years at Boston College & with Logan as the OC, they helped develop Matt Ryan.  Also, Logan was HC of all those fun East Carolina teams back in the 90's.  Jags was the OC and they developed QB's like Jeff Blake, Marcus Crandell and David Garrard.  MarQueis Gray anyone?!  Jags has some Wisconsin ties so is familiar with the Midwest.

Young coordinators may not be the most poplular but the following names will get a look down the road:

Major Applewhite & Will Muschamp at Texas.  Both guys will get a shot in the near future.
Paul Chryst - at Wisconsin.  His name has been brought up already.
David Gibbs - son of Joe Gibbs.  He was one of the best DC's the Gophers have ever had.
Josh Heupel - Doubt he's ready for a Big 10 HC job yet, but a good offensive mind.


Muschamp is already the coach-in-waiting at Texas.  Gibbs is not the son of Joe Gibbs, but his dad is a long-time NFL coach, offensive line guru Alex Gibbs. 

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RE: Gopher Football - 10/18/2010 12:28:07 PM   
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Does anyone really trust that Maturi will make a good hire if he is in charge of the process?????????

The extension of Mason and then the firing and buyout?
The hiring of a guy with no head coaching or coordinator experience?

There is now way that the Gophers pull Peterson away from Boise State unless they offer him 5+ million/year which is what many schools will probably offer after this season, schools that don't need as much rebuilding as the Gopher program.  And I don't think he will leave for 5 million cause Boise State is gonna restructure his contract after this season, especially if they end up playing for a national title.  Have the Gophers considered installing a maroon or gold field?

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