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RE:Mike Vick case - 12/10/2007 8:34:23 PM

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I think that's a fair sentence too. And a big deterrent for anyone else dabbling in the blood sport.

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RE:Mike Vick case - 12/10/2007 9:24:52 PM

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[quote="Steven JL"][quote="John Childress"]fair sentence[/quote] Yep. Some legal analysts state that typical Federal pen sentences work out to 85% of the actual sentence IF behavior is good. Therefore we can expect him to serve about 19.6 months. That coincidently puts his release at 7/28/2009 which is likely the opening day of training camp +/- 2 days in 2009 for almost all NFL teams. Not that he'll be eligible to participate with another team but it'll certainly be another media circus...[/quote] I don't think he will play again in the NFL Perhaps if he is willing to accept a minimum contract some team that is desparate will take a flyer on him. But do you really think after all that time he will be able to play?

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RE:Mike Vick case - 12/10/2007 10:16:26 PM

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God, what a sad end to a promising career.

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RE:Mike Vick case - 12/10/2007 10:27:41 PM

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[quote="Kurtis"]God, what a sad end to a promising career.[/quote] Hey, I know many business people who had careers as promising who flamed out also. I would imagine in every field there are some people who are extremely talented but just can't follow the rules long enough to be successful.

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RE:Mike Vick case - 12/11/2007 12:28:54 AM

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How will Goodell handle that decision? That's a tough call. The commissioner's biggest dilemma is figuring out whether time served in prison is sufficient for an act that is as unpopular as dogfighting. The other factor is going to be public perception. Goodell must weigh how PETA supporters feel about Vick once he is out of prison. Vick had a meeting with PETA executives to show how sorry he is for operating a dogfighting operation. It's pretty evident PETA would like Vick to be a spokesman against dogfighting. If he is willing to do ads in which he describes how his life has been ruined by dogfighting, it may be a good thing. The Atlanta Journal Constitution estimated Vick lost about $145 million in salary, future salary and endorsements.

I can't get with this part. If a man serves his time PETA should have no say in whether or not he can earn a living. 2 years in prison and 145M

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RE:Mike Vick case - 12/11/2007 4:28:50 PM

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"Hey kids. Dogs are for cuddlin', not for fightin'" :the more you know: (Somehow, I don't see it happening)

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RE:Mike Vick case - 12/11/2007 4:29:47 PM

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[quote="John Childress"][quote="Kurtis"]God, what a sad end to a promising career.[/quote] Hey, I know many business people who had careers as promising who flamed out also. I would imagine in every field there are some people who are extremely talented but just can't follow the rules long enough to be successful.[/quote] Or who can't break the rules cleverly enough to get away with and be successful. :whistling:

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RE:Mike Vick case - 12/11/2007 4:45:44 PM

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PETA wants Vick as a spokesman. 'Kinda whorish, insn't it?

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RE:Mike Vick case - 12/11/2007 4:49:32 PM

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That might be smart marketing. Who would pay attention to someone like Goldie Hawn as a spokesperson, or Tom Brokaw... You get the person who made all the headlines for animal abuse to turn around and promote their organization and people sit up and listen.

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RE:Mike Vick case - 12/11/2007 5:08:11 PM

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Well, the problem is that the message says "dogfights can get you in trouble," where the message should be, "dogfights are cruel."

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RE:Mike Vick case - 12/11/2007 5:19:39 PM

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I agree Kurtis - it should totally depend on whether or not he has a true and sincere epiphany about it.

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RE:Mike Vick case - 12/11/2007 5:43:47 PM

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[quote="Pete C"]PETA wants Vick as a spokesman. 'Kinda whorish, insn't it?[/quote] It's bizare and very whorish. It's like getting OJ Simpson to pimp anger management classes or Britney Spears to volunteer time at a day care. Even if the guy is completely sincere, it makes no sense.

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RE:Mike Vick case - 12/11/2007 5:58:56 PM

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PETA is one of the biggest media whores of any organization anywhere and they admit it freely. Their founder is a total proponent of "there is no bad press". Other more sane animal rights organizations like the human society and ASPCA, etc get far less press because they do far less stupid antics. PETA would love to use Mike Vick simply for the press it would generate. Then after he had done a couple things for them but declined to do something else they ask, they will be there to protest any team that considers his reinstatement to the league. If PETA were an anger management organization they would get OJ to promote it.

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RE:Mike Vick case - 12/11/2007 8:10:32 PM

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[quote="Steven JL"]PETA is one of the biggest media whores of any organization anywhere and they admit it freely. Their founder is a total proponent of "there is no bad press". Other more sane animal rights organizations like the human society and ASPCA, etc get far less press because they do far less stupid antics. PETA would love to use Mike Vick simply for the press it would generate. Then after he had done a couple things for them but declined to do something else they ask, they will be there to protest any team that considers his reinstatement to the league. If PETA were an anger management organization they would get OJ to promote it.[/quote] I agree THey should have ZERO say in the Vick's rehabilitation or possible reinstatement to the NFL. They are not a government agency or extension of law enforcement. They are not certified mental health professionals. It is a joke and a shame that they are being considered integral to Vick's punishment. Look at it another way. If someone is convicted of a hate crime against Jewish Americans the ADL doesn't get to decide their fate and they are a FAR more legit organization! Nor would they ask some skinhead to serve as their spokesperson. This is insane.

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RE:Mike Vick case - 12/11/2007 8:12:51 PM

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Lastly I am sick and tired of the "apology circuit". We have no idea if this guy is sincere. The same goes for the Seinfeld guy and every other buffoon who violates common sense and public decency. Serve your time in jail and show you are sincere by your actions over time - not by some phoney tour.

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RE: RE:Mike Vick case - 6/5/2008 5:45:28 PM

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Steve Foley Indicted
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The Houston Chronicle reports former Houston Texans LB Steve Foley, the owner of two pit bull dogs involved in the attack on a woman and her puppy, has been indicted on a charge of attack by a dog by a Fort Bend County grand jury. Foley, 32, surrendered Wednesday at the Fort Bend County jail, said Sheriff's spokeswoman Terriann Carlson. He was later released on $10,000 bond. Foley's attorney, Paul Nugent, said the incident was an accident that happened while Foley wasn't home. The indictment, a third-degree felony, was unsealed Wednesday. Foley is accused of failing to secure the dogs, which made an unprovoked attack on a neighbor on the afternoon of March 26, according to court documents. The neighbor, Twana Schulz, suffered serious bodily injury when she was bitten on the arms and face, the indictment said. The dogs were seized by animal control officers and later destroyed by authorities. Schulz was carrying the puppy, named Schinckers, when a neighbor yelled that the pit bulls were loose. Schulz headed back toward her house. "I got to almost our sidewalk when they attacked us," she said shortly after the attack. Schulz tried to hold onto the puppy, but the pit bulls jerked it from her hands and killed it. If convicted, a third-degree felony carries a punishment of as many as 10 years in prison.

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RE: RE:Mike Vick case - 6/5/2008 7:24:36 PM

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pit bulls... making the world safe for... dead pupies?

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RE: RE:Mike Vick case - 6/5/2008 7:45:06 PM

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Just because you don't hear about other breeds incidents doesn't mean that there not out there.

The root of the problem is usually the humans handling of them.

In my hands growing up in my household I would trust any breed. The problem is over population leading to too many irresponsible pet owners.

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RE: RE:Mike Vick case - 6/5/2008 8:08:05 PM

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Whatever the "status" dog of the time is, is where you'll find a lot of these incidents.

Rotties, Dobs and now Pit Bulls.

Improper care, upbringing and housing are the main culprits for these incidents. You get a dog because you think it is cool and keep it in the back yard, possibly tied up all the time, neglect it and then if they get loose (which is neglect by the owner) these things happen.

I hate it more than anyone could imagine.

Over population and idiot owners.

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RE: RE:Mike Vick case - 6/6/2008 11:08:18 AM

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ORIGINAL: Todd Mallett

Whatever the "status" dog of the time is, is where you'll find a lot of these incidents.

Rotties, Dobs and now Pit Bulls.

Improper care, upbringing and housing are the main culprits for these incidents. You get a dog because you think it is cool and keep it in the back yard, possibly tied up all the time, neglect it and then if they get loose (which is neglect by the owner) these things happen.

I hate it more than anyone could imagine.

Over population and idiot owners.

Todd here is something to prove your point. It is my niece's little girl with their Pit

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RE: RE:Mike Vick case - 6/6/2008 11:44:36 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jim Frenette

quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd Mallett

Whatever the "status" dog of the time is, is where you'll find a lot of these incidents.

Rotties, Dobs and now Pit Bulls.

Improper care, upbringing and housing are the main culprits for these incidents. You get a dog because you think it is cool and keep it in the back yard, possibly tied up all the time, neglect it and then if they get loose (which is neglect by the owner) these things happen.

I hate it more than anyone could imagine.

Over population and idiot owners.

Todd here is something to prove your point. It is my niece's little girl with their Pit

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That is a cute picture!

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RE: RE:Mike Vick case - 6/6/2008 12:08:06 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jim Frenette

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ORIGINAL: Todd Mallett

Whatever the "status" dog of the time is, is where you'll find a lot of these incidents.

Rotties, Dobs and now Pit Bulls.

Improper care, upbringing and housing are the main culprits for these incidents. You get a dog because you think it is cool and keep it in the back yard, possibly tied up all the time, neglect it and then if they get loose (which is neglect by the owner) these things happen.

I hate it more than anyone could imagine.

Over population and idiot owners.

Todd here is something to prove your point. It is my niece's little girl with their Pit

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That is a cute picture!

Worse thing about that dog is his farts. I've never smelled anything so bad from a dog.

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RE: RE:Mike Vick case - 7/17/2008 9:51:23 AM

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From Fanhouse:

It's hard to say there is good news anywhere in the Michael Vick story. Vick sits in a federal penitentiary, Falcons owner Arthur Blank has seen his reputation take several hits over the past year, and the Falcons are starting over as they try to recover from their quarterback's conviction.

But one year after Vick was formally charged in connection with his dogfighting operation, there are 47 true winners. Of the 48 dogs that were found in Vick's kennels. Only one had to be put down because it was too vicious to save. As the Washington Post explains, 25 of Vick's dogs have been placed in foster homes, while 22 were deemed to vicious to immediately be placed in foster homes, but they are being retrained at a specialist facility that works with difficult dogs.

But several of the former fighting dogs have acclimated well to getting back into regular society. One is now a therapy dog who visits cancer victims while another is training to become a Frisbee catch competitor. Others have gone from fighting to now lounging on couches around other pets. And it looks like the majority of other dogs who were too ill-tempered to immediately give to foster families should eventually be able to get new owners as well.

So while Vick's now bankrupt and the Falcons will take years to recover from his guilty verdict, the true victims in the whole situation are doing a lot better a year later. Some of them still show the scars of their time at Vick's kennels, but they have apparently made some pretty remarkable recoveries.

If it was such an evil breed more than 1 dog would have had to be put down.

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RE: RE:Mike Vick case - 7/17/2008 11:35:42 AM

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Nice find!

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RE: RE:Mike Vick case - 7/22/2008 7:42:04 PM

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Trial Date Set for Vick Co-Defendant
Tue Jul 22, 2008

AP reports a trial date for one of QB Michael Vick's co-defendants on state dogfighting charges will be set on Sept. 23. Tony Taylor's trial date was supposed to be set Tuesday in Surry County Circuit Court. However, no agreement has been reached and the matter was continued. Taylor has already served a two-month federal prison term for his role in Vick's dogfighting enterprise. Taylor is charged with beating or killing or causing dogs to fight other dogs, and engaging in or promoting dogfighting. Both charges are felonies punishable by up to five years in prison. Vick, the former Atlanta Falcons star quarterback, and two other co-defendants face the same charges. They won't be tried until they finish serving their federal prison terms.