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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/19/2007 2:11:55 PM   
Duane Sampson


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Status: offline 		-- Falcons Mum on Vick Talks; Also Mum on Culpepper -- Thu Jul 19, 2007 The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports Falcons team owner Arthur Blank and GM Rich McKay returned from a vacation in Africa Wednesday morning and spoke with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell on a conference call to discuss the unprecedented development and how to proceed. Blank, McKay and other team officials also held a conference call late in the afternoon. The Falcons declined comment on those talks. Calls to several Falcons players were not returned. There remains the possibility that Goodell could suspend Vick under the new player-conduct policy before a trial even starts. The Falcons also could administer some form of discipline — or possibly offer Vick a leave of absence. The league and the franchise also could opt to allow Vick to practice and play while receiving due process. That is the path the NFL Players Association is hoping the Falcons and the league follows. "It's unfortunate that Michael Vick is in this position, as these allegations are extremely disturbing and offensive," The NFLPA said in a statement. "This case is now in the hands of the judicial system and we have to allow the legal process to run its course. However, we recognize Michael still has the right to prove his innocence. Hopefully, these allegations are untrue and Michael will be able to continue his NFL career. We will continue to monitor this case very closely." The Falcons have not had any discussions about pursuing recently released free-agent QB Daunte Culpepper or any other quarterback, according to a team official.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/19/2007 2:22:48 PM   
Duane Sampson


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Status: offline 		Atlanta backup QB reacts to the possibility that Vick won't be available to the team this year:
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/19/2007 2:37:06 PM   
John Childress


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Status: offline 		[quote="Todd Mallett"][quote="John Childress"]1. The taking of HUMAN life far outweighs any dogs. Trying to minimize that by calling them "thugs" is weak and shows an incredible callousness for human life. 2. If my son or daughter ever takes a football player as a role model I have failed as a parent. Killing of dogs is pretty low on the importance scale - and I love dogs and think if he is guilty he should get many years in prison. Sorry, it is not even close to killing a human.[/quote] Hey, I love and respect life. We're not talking about swatting mosquitoes here though. We're talking about taking a beautiful animal whose natural instinct is to love and protect humans and Vick and his Posse electrocuting/shooting/hanging and beating them down to the ground because it didn't perform to the standards they'd hoped. That is far and away worse than the incident with Ray Lewis. Two people were stabbed in a fight, maybe they should have stayed in instead of looking for fights. Besides there was never any evidence that connected Lewis as the murderer. If the poll feature was working I would do a poll to see where the majority sits with this. Also, your kids may have grown up right but that is a small number compared to all the kids who do idolize pro atheletes.[/quote] I think you gorssly overrate the number of kids who idolize athletes. Most kids nowadays who don't have good role models are far more likely to follow a rap artists than an athlete. Ray Lewis is an admitted accessory to double murder - no sugarcoating that.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/19/2007 4:45:14 PM   
Jim Frenette


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Status: offline 		[quote="Todd Mallett"][quote="John Childress"]1. The taking of HUMAN life far outweighs any dogs. Trying to minimize that by calling them "thugs" is weak and shows an incredible callousness for human life. 2. If my son or daughter ever takes a football player as a role model I have failed as a parent. Killing of dogs is pretty low on the importance scale - and I love dogs and think if he is guilty he should get many years in prison. Sorry, it is not even close to killing a human.[/quote] Hey, I love and respect life. We're not talking about swatting mosquitoes here though. We're talking about taking a beautiful animal whose natural instinct is to love and protect humans and Vick and his Posse electrocuting/shooting/hanging and beating them down to the ground because it didn't perform to the standards they'd hoped. That is far and away worse than the incident with Ray Lewis. Two people were stabbed in a fight, maybe they should have stayed in instead of looking for fights. Besides there was never any evidence that connected Lewis as the murderer. If the poll feature was working I would do a poll to see where the majority sits with this. Also, your kids may have grown up right but that is a small number compared to all the kids who do idolize pro atheletes.[/quote] Correct there isn't any proof and I don't think he had the knife in his hand, but I think he was more involved then what has been told. They were his posse and gangstas.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/19/2007 10:10:49 PM   
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Team, NFL discuss how to deal with Vick Virginia continues probe into dogfighting By D. ORLANDO LEDBETTER, STEVE WYCHE The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Published on: 07/19/07 While Falcons and NFL officials spent Wednesday discussing how to move forward following a federal felony indictment against quarterback Michael Vick, a decision was made about the quarterback's short-term future. Vick won't be with the team at its season-opening practice July 26. A half-hour after the Falcons take the field for the first training camp practice of the coach Bobby Petrino-era, Vick will be in Richmond, Va., making his first appearance in federal court on charges related to dogfighting. The United States District Court, Eastern District of Virginia, Richmond Division, issued a summons on Wednesday ordering Vick and three fellow defendants — Purnell A. Peace, Quanis L. Phillips and Tony Taylor — to appear before U.S. Magistrate Judge Dennis W. Dohnal for a bond hearing at 3:30 p.m. July 26. After bond is set, the four defendants will be arraigned at 4 p.m. before Federal District Court Judge Herbert Hudson, who will decide the case that has put Vick's career in jeopardy. Because of the seriousness of the alleged crimes, a six-figure bond likely will be set for each of the defendants. The summons was issued a day after Vick was indicted by a federal grand jury for conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities ("Travel Act"), and to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture, in violation of federal law. Both charges are felonies and could lead to six years in prison and fines totaling $350,000. Virginia Commonwealth Attorney Gerald Poindexter, the local prosecutor in Surry County, Va., told the Newport News Daily Press that the state planned to continue its dogfighting investigation. Poindexter did not return calls from The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. A grand jury is scheduled to convene in Surry County on July 24. Whether Vick's absence from next week's practice will be the first of many practices, games and other team functions he will miss — voluntarily or not — remained uncertain. Team owner Arthur Blank and president/general manager Rich McKay returned from a vacation in Africa Wednesday morning and spoke with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell on a conference call to discuss the unprecedented development and how to proceed. Blank, McKay and other team officials also held a conference call late in the afternoon. The Falcons declined comment on those talks. Calls to several Falcons players were not returned. There remains the possibility that Goodell could suspend Vick under the new player-conduct policy before a trial even starts. The Falcons also could administer some form of discipline — or possibly offer Vick a leave of absence. The league and the franchise also could opt to allow Vick to practice and play while receiving due process. That is the path the NFL Players Association is hoping the Falcons and the league follows. "It's unfortunate that Michael Vick is in this position, as these allegations are extremely disturbing and offensive," The NFLPA said in a statement. "This case is now in the hands of the judicial system and we have to allow the legal process to run its course. However, we recognize Michael still has the right to prove his innocence. Hopefully, these allegations are untrue and Michael will be able to continue his NFL career. We will continue to monitor this case very closely." The Falcons have not had any discussions about pursuing recently released free-agent quarterback Daunte Culpepper or any other quarterback, according to a team official. D. Orlando Ledbetter reported from Richmond, Va. and Steve Wyche from Flowery Branch.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/20/2007 2:47:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Today, we sound a clarion call to all people: Stand up for what is right, and speak out against what is wrong. Dogfighting is unacceptable. Hurting animals for human pleasure or gain is despicable. Cruelty is just plain wrong." Signed: Ingrid Newkirk, president of PETA; Russell Simmons, RUSH communications and the Al Sharpton, the Reverend.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/20/2007 3:59:25 AM   
John Childress


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Status: offline 		[quote="Todd Mallett"]"Today, we sound a clarion call to all people: Stand up for what is right, and speak out against what is wrong. Dogfighting is unacceptable. Hurting animals for human pleasure or gain is despicable. Cruelty is just plain wrong." Signed: Ingrid Newkirk, president of PETA; Russell Simmons, RUSH communications and the Al Sharpton, the Reverend.[/quote] Good Job Todd posting this
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/20/2007 2:00:15 PM   
Duane Sampson


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Status: offline 		-- Horn Says Vick Remorseful & Concerned -- Fri Jul 20, 2007 The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports Falcons WR Joe Horn said he has spoken to QB Michael Vick since in the indictment came down Tuesday and that Vick is remorseful and concerned. "Mike is saddened about the tension this is going to cause the team," Horn told the Journal-Constitution on Thursday night. "I assured him I support him, the rest of the guys support him and the team supports him. Whether he's guilty or innocent or whether you believe he is, time will tell. "No one, I don't care if you're wealthy or poor, no one is immune to the trials and tribulations of life. Everyone who's breathing is going to have to deal with issues in their life. Unfortunately, Mike is up at bat right now." Horn said he understands NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell's right to suspend Vick and the team's option to keep Vick away from team activities, but he doesn't think that would be right or in the best interest of anyone involved. "Not having him around, that will hurt," said Horn, who signed a free-agent contract with the Falcons this off-season after 11 seasons with the New Orleans Saints and Kansas City Chiefs. "I think he should be around. The more he's around his teammates playing football might help Michael Vick. I don't think suspending him is going to help him. "Michael wants to play football. He told me over and over again, 'I know what's going on and I need to be there playing and go through training camp to try and get through this.'"
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/20/2007 2:01:33 PM   
Duane Sampson


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Status: offline 		-- Humane Society Keeps Pressure on Nike and Vick -- Fri Jul 20, 2007 Michael David Smith, writing for AOL Sports, reports although Nike announced that it will suspend the release of the Air Zoom Vick V, the Humane Society of the United States says that Nike has not gone far enough, and that the company needs to pull from stores other products bearing the name of Atlanta Falcons QB Michael Vick. "Nike has not gone far enough. ... Nike continued to market a $16 "Vick Hero" tee-shirt to boys in sizes 0 to 18. A similar product is aimed at older youth.... Why continue to try and wring a profit from shirts that label Vick a hero for boys? Why sell other shoes named for him? Michael Vick is no hero."
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/20/2007 2:02:42 PM   
Duane Sampson


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Status: offline 		-- Nike Decides to Suspend Release of New Vick Products -- Fri Jul 20, 2007 AP reports Nike has reversed course and decided to suspend the release of its latest product line named after Atlanta Falcons QB Michael Vick. Nike has told retailers it will not release a fifth signature shoe, the Air Zoom Vick V, this summer. Nike spokesman Dean Stoyer said the four shoe products and three shirts that currently bear Vick's name will remain in stores.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/20/2007 2:10:56 PM   
Duane Sampson


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Status: offline 		This will probably be a huge seller https://store.falcons365.com/productinfo.asp?item=6306&deptcode1=591
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/20/2007 3:25:44 PM   
Jeff Jesser


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Status: online 		Horn is an idiot. Sure, Vick is remorseful for hurting his team but he doesn't/didn't give a damn about the animals. Some people just don't get this. Just once I would like to hear a member of the Falcons say something like "he may be innocent but if he's guilty, that's f-ed up and he needs to pay". That's not throwing Vick the person under the bus. It's dealing with Vick the possible criminal. It's pretty sad when something happens to a human (who probably shouldn't have been in the situation). At least they get to live the rest of their lives. These were helpless animals that were brutally tortured to death.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/20/2007 3:33:40 PM   
Duane Sampson


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Status: offline 		Horn's just thinking of Horn. He looks over and sees Joey behind center and figures they might as well mail in the season now.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/20/2007 3:52:30 PM   
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I don't think suspending him is going to help him.
I don't think any of us care squat about what is going to help Mike Vick. Poor guy, he might be deprived of the right to play football. :roll:
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/21/2007 12:39:02 AM   
John Childress


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Status: offline 		[quote="Duane Sampson"]Horn's just thinking of Horn. He looks over and sees Joey behind center and figures they might as well mail in the season now.[/quote] BINGO It never ceases to amaze how self-centered people are! My thoughts would be "I hope that he is innocent of these terrible charges and I support him fully. However, if he is guilty he should pay for his crime." I agree that Horn has way too much emphasis on hurting Vick or the team. The question is innocent or guilty. If he is guilty 6 years is actually a little light.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/21/2007 1:35:55 AM   
Jeff Jesser


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Status: online 		The thing with me is this. I try to go with "innocent until..." but IMO he is guilty, no doubt. Even if he didn't personally have anything to do with it, he knew damn well it was going on. If that's the case, does he deserve 6 years? Probably not, but he needs something.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/21/2007 3:07:57 AM   
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 [quote="Duane Sampson"]Horn's just thinking of Horn. He looks over and sees Joey behind center and figures they might as well mail in the season now.[/quote] I will definately be playing Vikes D in FF against atl...LOL
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/21/2007 7:17:15 AM   
thebigo


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Status: offline 		[quote="Duane Sampson"]Atlanta backup QB reacts to the possibility that Vick won't be available to the team this year: [/quote] :lol:
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/21/2007 9:20:34 AM   
thebigo


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Status: offline 		If Nike doesn't completely drop Vick and all his products, you can be sure that PETA will come out with an ad campaign that links them with Vick and dog-fighting carnage. When do the SNL skits begin? Tonight I'd bet.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/21/2007 1:34:57 PM   
John Childress


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Status: offline 		I am about all Vicked out when Congress starts getting involved in this at this level. Funny how they can get involved in 50 dogs killed over 6 years but thousands of young adults killed each year isn't that important. Where is the big case that is going to raise public awareness on the HUMAN BEINGS that are being killed each year? The domestic murders in this country dwarfs Iraq or dog fighting.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/21/2007 2:43:04 PM   
Jeff Jesser


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Status: online 		Just saw that Blank is encouraging him to take a paid leave for a year. Way to step up Art.....
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/21/2007 7:29:35 PM   
Duane Sampson


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Status: offline 		-- NFL Wants Vick to Sit... But Vick Resisting -- Sat Jul 21, 2007 The Los Angeles Times reports NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell would like Atlanta Falcons QB Michael Vick to take a paid leave of absence, but Vick wants to play football this season, sources familiar with the situation said Friday. With the opening of NFL training camps looming, league and Falcons officials are under pressure to take decisive action against the quarterback, who was indicted this week on federal charges related to dogfighting. Goodell met Friday with animal welfare officials at league headquarters in New York, and about 50 people demonstrated peacefully outside the Park Avenue offices, urging the commissioner to suspend the player. The group, which was organized by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, chanted "Sack Vick!" and held signs featuring his No. 7 with a circle and slash through it. In Washington, Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) called for the immediate suspension of Vick, accused of being a key player in a Virginia dogfighting operation that allegedly executed poor-performing pit bulls by methods such as hanging, drowning and electrocution. "I am deeply disturbed by the indictment of Michael Vick for dogfighting charges," Kerry wrote in a letter to Goodell. "I urge you to treat this issue with the utmost seriousness as the case progresses. In light of the seriousness of the charges, I believe that Mr. Vick should be suspended from the League, effective immediately." Kerry wasn't the only lawmaker to weigh in on dogfighting this week. In a speech on the Senate floor Thursday, Sen. Robert C. Byrd (D-W.Va.) called dogfighting "barbaric" and — although not specifically addressing the Vick case — said: "I am confident that the hottest places in hell are reserved for the souls of sick and brutal people who hold God's creatures in such brutal and cruel contempt." Goodell, whose first 11 months in office have been defined by his strong stance against lawbreaking players, is said to be reluctant to suspend Vick because of the effect doing so might have on the player's legal proceedings. Vick is scheduled to be arraigned Thursday in Richmond, Va., the same day the Falcons open training camp in Flowery Branch, Ga. "By imposing discipline now, the commissioner runs the risk of tainting a criminal proceeding, because the government would use that disciplinary decision as evidence of guilt against Michael Vick," said David Cornwell, former NFL assistant general counsel. The Atlanta attorney said there is a "huge difference" between Vick's case and that of Titans CB/KR Adam "Pacman" Jones, who Goodell suspended for the 2007 season before the courts heard his case, because the league suspended the Tennessee cornerback before he had been indicted. A source familiar with the Vick discussions — which involve Goodell, Falcons owner Arthur Blank and representatives of the NFL Players Assn. — called the leave-of-absence option a "win-win-win," because it would take pressure off the league and team, while allowing Vick to focus on his legal entanglements. But the source said that so far Vick is resisting the idea and still wants to play this season. Two letters written June 21 by the NFL to the Humane Society, and provided to the Associated Press by the league, said league security will warn players about animal fighting and animal cruelty at all 32 training camps this summer.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/21/2007 11:19:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		By imposing discipline now, the commissioner runs the risk of tainting a criminal proceeding, because the government would use that disciplinary decision as evidence of guilt against Michael Vick," said David Cornwell, former NFL assistant general counsel That at least makes some sense to me. The thing is though, this is not a he said she said kind of thing. I understand that the league just can't suspend a player because of a serious crime they may have committed but this is a little different. At minimum Vick carelessly bought a house and let family members run amok resulting in the NFL coming under heavy scrutiny. What I don't like is trying to ask him nicely to take a paid leave to sort it out.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/22/2007 3:35:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		"We all grew up tight," he said. "We all stuck together before I was Mike Vick ... before the fame and stardom, before the money. There's not one new guy in my circle. Everybody I have around me is out for my best interests." Michael Vick 2005 "It's unfortunate I have to take the heat," he said. "If I'm not there, I don't know what's going on. It's a call for me to really tighten down on who I'm trying to take care of. When it all boils down, people will try to take advantage of you and leave you out to dry. Lesson learned for me." Michael Vick 2007
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/22/2007 6:47:55 PM   
Jim Frenette


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Status: offline 		I can just see if Vick plays this year, PETA and others will be picketing every game he plays in both on the road and home. How many owners want that at their games? None This is going to be a nightmare for the league.
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