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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/25/2007 4:49:59 AM   
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[quote="Duane Sampson"]-- Emmitt Smith Weighs in on Vick Dogfighting Indictment -- Sat Jul 21, 2007 AP reports NFL career rushing leader RB Emmitt Smith thinks federal investigators targeted Atlanta Falcons QB Michael Vick to get to others involved in an alleged dogfighting operation. "He's the biggest fish in the whole doggone pond right now so they're putting the squeeze on him to get to everyone else," Smith said Saturday. Vick and three associates are accused of competitive dogfighting, procuring and training pit bulls for fighting, and conducting the enterprise across state lines. Vick is scheduled to be arraigned Thursday in federal court in Richmond, Va. Smith, who was enshrined in the College Football Hall of Fame on Saturday along with 19 others, was asked what he thought about the Vick situation. He said he believes federal investigators are trying to pressure Vick to turn on the others. "Now, granted he might have been to a dogfight a time or two, maybe five times, maybe 20 times, may have bet some money, but he's not the one you're after. He's not the one you're after, he's just the one whose going to take the fall -- publicly." But Smith also placed some blame on Vick, saying athletes need to realize they have to break ties with some people from their past "because where we're going, it's not for everybody to come with us. You have to learn to cut some of those guys loose. Because the things that they do, we cannot do no more." We cannot do that no more.... :pirate:[/quote] Emmitt Smith is still the Classless Punk he was coming out of Florida. Imagine if Goodell was in charge during the White House in Dallas era. Emmitt was lucky to play behind the best oline in football for half his career. I will give him credit for his toughness, but other than that I think he is fortunate that he got good advice on how to walk the walk, I suspect that he could have gotten into a ton of trouble with his mentality. He also kept everyball from every touchdown he ever scored, like he figured he would be living check to check someday and need to go Pete Rose on the bit and sell them HSN. He used to yell at the ball boys if they didn't mark the balls right away so they wouldn't get mixed up with the other balls.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/25/2007 5:20:31 AM   
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I am not a Vick fan and have never liked him. But you can't suspend the man before the trial - as much as it pains people. This is setting a dangerous precedent and is clearly against NFL policy. I think Vick's lawyers will burn the NFL on this one.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/25/2007 5:33:27 AM   
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[quote="John Childress"]I am not a Vick fan and have never liked him. But you can't suspend the man before the trial - as much as it pains people. This is setting a dangerous precedent and is clearly against NFL policy. I think Vick's lawyers will burn the NFL on this one.[/quote] A criminal conviction is not a pre-condition to a suspension.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/25/2007 5:36:49 AM   
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It's kind of interesting. Dan "The Bitter One" Barreiro was interviewing some guy today, this guy brought up that Fal-cons owner Arthur Blank apparently owns two black labs that he considers as family members, takes them everywhere with him on his privare jet.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/25/2007 5:52:22 AM   
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[quote="Todd Mallett"][quote="Ian Joseph"]After Week 1, this entire saga will be mildly interesting.[/quote] I don't get the cavalier attitude towards this. Arguably the biggest controversy involving a professional athlete.[/quote] At this point, I am kind of like "who cares.." I know it's heinous what he was doing, especially the part about electrocuting and drowning dogs, but until someone other than Roger Goddell actually does something about it (Arthur Blank sure as shyte talked in circles today about doing nothing), it is a waste of air and thread time. My main interest in this whole debacle is the fact we play them Week 1 is what is increasing starting to look like a sure win. Once that Week 1 game is over, I could care less about the Falcons organization and their imfamous, overrated franchise player.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/25/2007 5:58:26 AM   
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[quote="thebigo"][quote="John Childress"]I am not a Vick fan and have never liked him. But you can't suspend the man before the trial - as much as it pains people. This is setting a dangerous precedent and is clearly against NFL policy. I think Vick's lawyers will burn the NFL on this one.[/quote] A criminal conviction is not a pre-condition to a suspension.[/quote] The only other reason given is when a player has been in trouble frequently - Vick has not. No way around it - if they can Vick before a trial they open up a whole new can of worms.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/25/2007 6:07:24 AM   
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[quote="John Childress"]I am not a Vick fan and have never liked him. But you can't suspend the man before the trial - as much as it pains people. This is setting a dangerous precedent and is clearly against NFL policy. I think Vick's lawyers will burn the NFL on this one.[/quote] Honestly, Roger Goddell can do whatever he wants. The NFL is a private entity and becuz the NFLPA kind of gave him the lee-way to kind-of play judge, jury and executioner with Pacman Jones, it filters down to Michael Vick. People forget this is not the first incident of questionable conduct perpretrated by Vick. He got stopped in the airport with what was then thought to be an illegal substance (seems like that story kind of just went away, so who knows what really happened there), one of his cars was stopped with two idiots inside drunk and in the possession of drugs, not to mention he told Goddell a bold-faced lie to his face when asked about the dog issue when it first surfaced. I did not know this, but prior to all of that, Vick was in an airport with a couple of people and two of those folks stole a watch. Bottom line, this guy is a bad apple and surrounds himself with similar characters. And while he may not party and shoot up strip joints like rockstar Pacman Jones, his conduct is nontheless terrible. Banning him from training camp was a small hit and is not the same thing as a season suspension. But even if it was, how was that not the right thing to do? Pacman Jones was suspended for an entire season without having gone to trial and the NFLPA bought off on that. Pacman was not even indicted by a Federal Grand Jury. So how is this any different? Michael Vick is a dumbass that did not know how to not act like a small time hood, fighting dogs for thousands of dollars after he started making millions a year. And it will be his downfall.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/25/2007 1:36:27 PM   
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Mike Vick has officially changed his middle name to "Con." :lol:
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/25/2007 8:12:22 PM   
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-- Vick Doesn't Fully Grasp Situation? -- Wed Jul 25, 2007 Yahoo Sports' Jason Cole reports at least one person close to Atlanta Falcons QB Michael Vick feels Vick doesn't fully grasp the ramifications of his circumstances. "I wouldn't say he's delusional about the problem, but I don't think he sees it as being as big a deal as everybody else," the associate said. "He thinks it's going to blow over eventually … He doesn't know how deep this goes." That's why Vick had been resisting attempts from the Falcons to accept a leave of absence to deal with his case, according to multiple sources. Vick will be arraigned Thursday and is expected to spend months fighting the charges. Serious preparation for that began Monday when Vick hired high-profile attorney Billy Martin. "Hopefully (Martin) can convince (Vick) that playing right now isn't a good idea," the associate said. "If Michael is with the team, it's going to be a circus every day." The idea that Vick can play this season if the trial is going on simultaneously is difficult enough to comprehend. But if jurors get the idea that Vick doesn't take his predicament seriously, the perception could be even worse. "It's almost like he'd be thumbing his nose at the whole process," the NFLPA source said. "This is serious stuff. He's fighting for his freedom." NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, who barred Vick from training camp, has stopped short of suspending Vick so far under the guidelines of the personal conduct policy because Vick is a first-time offender under those guidelines. While Vick has had his share of embarrassments in his career (the water bottle incident at Miami International Airport this offseason, flipping off the fans last season and the "Ron Mexico"/herpes situation), he doesn't have any convictions or arrests on his record. According to a source, that means Goodell will have trouble making a suspension stick. Worse, it could put the union in the position of having to fight the league on Vick's behalf, a potential public relations nightmare.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/26/2007 1:54:02 PM   
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-- Vick in More Trouble -- Thu Jul 26, 2007 AP reports Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio said Atlanta Falcons QB Michael Vick is being investigated by his office for alleged involvement in pit bull fighting operations in Arizona. "He's a person of interest as far as my office is concerned," Arpaio said. "I'm not talking about a case. I'm talking about a person of interest regarding pit bull fighting." Arpaio said Vick's name has been "very familiar" to his office since "a while back." He confirmed that his detectives have contacted Georgia authorities about Vick after the quarterback was indicted on federal charges involving illegal interstate dog fighting.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/26/2007 4:50:56 PM   
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Isn't that the guy that makes his "inmates" sleep in the desert and where pink?
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/26/2007 9:10:19 PM   
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Deion Sanders: I Believe Michael Vick Had a Passion for Dog Fighting Posted Jul 25th 2007 10:07PM by Michael David Smith The most exciting player in the history of the Atlanta Falcons wrote an op-ed in the Southwest Florida News-Press about the second-most exciting player in the history of the Atlanta Falcons. And Deion Sanders had some interesting -- and bizarre -- things to say about Michael Vick. Check out Pro Football Talk for a good rundown of everything Sanders wrote, but I'll focus on just one passage: I believe Vick had a passion for dogfighting. I know many athletes who share his passion. The allure is the intensity and the challenge of a dog fighting to the death. It's like ultimate fighting, but the dog doesn't tap out when he knows he can't win. It reminds me of when I wore a lot of jewelry back in the day because I always wanted to have the biggest chain or the biggest, baddest car. It gives you status. First of all, it's interesting that Sanders says he believes Vick was involved in dog fighting. Almost every athlete and former athlete who has commented on the case has refused to state, point blank, that he believes Vick takes part in the cruel, barbaric and illegal activity. Sanders is an exception in that regard. But secondly, dog fighting is a felony. If Sanders knows "many athletes" who have a passion for committing this felony, he should actively work with law enforcement agencies to help them prevent this felony from being committed. And he should stop suggesting that forcing dogs to maul each other to death is similar to wearing a lot of jewelry.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/26/2007 10:48:08 PM   
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[quote="Jeff Jesser"]Isn't that the guy that makes his "inmates" sleep in the desert and where pink?[/quote] Yes, There is even a website where you can view the inmates on close captioned TV. Joe Arpaio is a complete loon but seems to keep getting elected.... Scheduling tours: Group tours of the internationally famous Tents Jail can be scheduled in advance by calling: 602-876-5551 http://www.mcso.org/index.php?a=GetSubModule&sm=Jail_Facilities&mn=Our_Jails
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/26/2007 10:56:29 PM   
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Arpaio has over 10,000 inmates in his jail system. In August, 1993, he started the nation’s largest Tent City for convicted inmates. Two thousand convicted men and women serve their sentences in a canvas incarceration compound. It is a remarkable success story that has attracted the attention of government officials, presidential candidates, and media worldwide. Of equal success and notoriety are his chain gangs, which contribute thousands of dollars of free labor to the community. The male chain gang, and the world’s first-ever female and juvenile chain gangs, clean streets, paint over graffiti, and bury the indigent in the county cemetery. Also impressive are the Sheriff’s get tough policies. For example, he banned smoking, coffee, movies, pornographic magazines, and unrestricted TV in all jails. He has the cheapest meals in the U.S. too. The average meal costs about 15 cents, and inmates are fed only twice daily, to cut the labor costs of meal delivery. He even stopped serving them salt and pepper to save tax payers $20,000 a year. Another program Arpaio is very wellknown for is the pink under shorts he makes all inmates wear. Years ago, when the Sheriff learned that inmates were stealing jailhouse white boxers, Arpaio had all inmate underwear dyed pink for better inventory control. The same is true for the Sheriff’s handcuffs. When they started disappearing, he ordered pink handcuffs as a replacement. And later, when the Sheriff learned the calming, psychological effects of the color pink—sheets, towels, socks— everything inmates wear, except for the old-fashioned black and white striped uniform, were dyed pink. Arpaio has started another controversial program, the website WWW.MCSO.org, so that all those arrested (about 300 per day) are recorded on the Sheriff’s website as they are booked and processed into jail. Just under a million hits daily come into the website, making it one of the most visible law enforcement sites on the World Wide Web. http://www.mcso.org/index.php?a=GetModule&mn=Sheriff_Bio
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/27/2007 3:22:23 AM   
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Vick's trial begins November 26, 2007 at 9:30 am sharp, as dictated by the judge presiding over the case. You can go ahead and pencil him out of the 2007 (and beyond) season. I think, barring some kind of flip, Michael Vick has played his last game in the NFL.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/27/2007 4:24:44 AM   
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I know he is guilty as hell....but isn't there a little thing of "innocent until proven guilty"? How can they suspend him? Most of the suspensions are drug/alcohol related...and they have usually failed a test or a cop eyewitness. If one says "conduct detrimental to the team".....I say "what, who and where?" besides hearsay. All they got until they go to trial is hearsay from other people that are in trouble. The equipment, even though it was for heinous purposes could be explained off bu various purposes of a breeding program for dogs that don't like each other. As for the dead carcasses...I have buried many in my day. Although for legitimate reasons.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/27/2007 4:32:16 AM   
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The most traumatic day of my sister's life: Background: I grew up on a small farm in Minnesota. When my sister was about 12 and I was 7, my sister had a LOT of cats. (There was about 23 of them...We NEVER spent money to have them fixed) They were all outdoor barn cats and breeding like flies. Well we had a squared off area that all of our grain for the milk cows was dumped for their food supply. But alas all of the cats used their food for a giant litter box. This resulted in many of the cows getting sick..... Traumatic part: One day my Dad asked my sister to pick her three favorite cats.....
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/27/2007 4:37:46 AM   
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[quote="DeLain"]I know he is guilty as hell....but isn't there a little thing of "innocent until proven guilty"? How can they suspend him? Most of the suspensions are drug/alcohol related...and they have usually failed a test or a cop eyewitness. If one says "conduct detrimental to the team".....I say "what, who and where?" besides hearsay. All they got until they go to trial is hearsay from other people that are in trouble. The equipment, even though it was for heinous purposes could be explained off bu various purposes of a breeding program for dogs that don't like each other. As for the dead carcasses...I have buried many in my day. Although for legitimate reasons.[/quote] The Pacman Jones incidents set a precedent that the NFL is following with the Vick issues. And becuz the NFLPA bought off Pacman's punishment, it's really whatever on Vick's. It does not matter what Vick did; he was indicted by a Federal Grand Jury on mutiple charges on heinous and low-class crimes, in which they have mounds of evidence. Federal indictments have a 95% success rate. So chances are if they file on you, your ass is grass. Now all of that does not address the here-say portion of your post, but maybe the photos with Vick surrounded by dogs and holding thousands of dollars might be a tad incriminating. So too would be the eyewitness and video footage they have of him participating in the alleged crimes. So is that here-say or absolute proof? Lets go a step further. Barry Bonds' issues are here-say becuz no matter what people say and/or believe, there is no evidence to prove any of their claims. Thats why there has not been a Federal indictment on him for perjury. Michael Vick's issues are far from that becuz they have this indictment going and there will be another one late next month that will ADD charges to this one. Unless he flips on one of the other guys and works out some kind of deal to avoid significant jail time (becuz he's goin for at least a few months, if not a year or two), he's a done deal. It's unfortunate that he is gonna go down for fighting and killing dogs, but then again, what is a millionaire doing participating in nickel and dime criminal bullshit?! I feel sorry for him, but then again, I dont.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/27/2007 4:38:13 AM   
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[quote="Ian Joseph"][quote="John Childress"]I am not a Vick fan and have never liked him. But you can't suspend the man before the trial - as much as it pains people. This is setting a dangerous precedent and is clearly against NFL policy. I think Vick's lawyers will burn the NFL on this one.[/quote] Honestly, Roger Goddell can do whatever he wants. The NFL is a private entity and becuz the NFLPA kind of gave him the lee-way to kind-of play judge, jury and executioner with Pacman Jones, it filters down to Michael Vick. People forget this is not the first incident of questionable conduct perpretrated by Vick. He got stopped in the airport with what was then thought to be an illegal substance (seems like that story kind of just went away, so who knows what really happened there), one of his cars was stopped with two idiots inside drunk and in the possession of drugs, not to mention he told Goddell a bold-faced lie to his face when asked about the dog issue when it first surfaced. I did not know this, but prior to all of that, Vick was in an airport with a couple of people and two of those folks stole a watch. Bottom line, this guy is a bad apple and surrounds himself with similar characters. And while he may not party and shoot up strip joints like rockstar Pacman Jones, his conduct is nontheless terrible. Banning him from training camp was a small hit and is not the same thing as a season suspension. But even if it was, how was that not the right thing to do? Pacman Jones was suspended for an entire season without having gone to trial and the NFLPA bought off on that. Pacman was not even indicted by a Federal Grand Jury. So how is this any different? Michael Vick is a dumbass that did not know how to not act like a small time hood, fighting dogs for thousands of dollars after he started making millions a year. And it will be his downfall.[/quote] No, you can not do whatever you want even if it is a private entity "According to a source, that means Goodell will have trouble making a suspension stick. Worse, it could put the union in the position of having to fight the league on Vick's behalf, a potential public relations nightmare. " BINGO
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/27/2007 4:39:59 AM   
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[quote="DeLain"]I know he is guilty as hell....but isn't there a little thing of "innocent until proven guilty"? How can they suspend him? Most of the suspensions are drug/alcohol related...and they have usually failed a test or a cop eyewitness. If one says "conduct detrimental to the team".....I say "what, who and where?" besides hearsay. All they got until they go to trial is hearsay from other people that are in trouble. The equipment, even though it was for heinous purposes could be explained off bu various purposes of a breeding program for dogs that don't like each other. As for the dead carcasses...I have buried many in my day. Although for legitimate reasons.[/quote] Vick's lawyer is going to eat them up until and uless he is convicted
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/27/2007 4:47:07 AM   
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[quote="John Childress"][quote="Ian Joseph"][quote="John Childress"]I am not a Vick fan and have never liked him. But you can't suspend the man before the trial - as much as it pains people. This is setting a dangerous precedent and is clearly against NFL policy. I think Vick's lawyers will burn the NFL on this one.[/quote] Honestly, Roger Goddell can do whatever he wants. The NFL is a private entity and becuz the NFLPA kind of gave him the lee-way to kind-of play judge, jury and executioner with Pacman Jones, it filters down to Michael Vick. People forget this is not the first incident of questionable conduct perpretrated by Vick. He got stopped in the airport with what was then thought to be an illegal substance (seems like that story kind of just went away, so who knows what really happened there), one of his cars was stopped with two idiots inside drunk and in the possession of drugs, not to mention he told Goddell a bold-faced lie to his face when asked about the dog issue when it first surfaced. I did not know this, but prior to all of that, Vick was in an airport with a couple of people and two of those folks stole a watch. Bottom line, this guy is a bad apple and surrounds himself with similar characters. And while he may not party and shoot up strip joints like rockstar Pacman Jones, his conduct is nontheless terrible. Banning him from training camp was a small hit and is not the same thing as a season suspension. But even if it was, how was that not the right thing to do? Pacman Jones was suspended for an entire season without having gone to trial and the NFLPA bought off on that. Pacman was not even indicted by a Federal Grand Jury. So how is this any different? Michael Vick is a dumbass that did not know how to not act like a small time hood, fighting dogs for thousands of dollars after he started making millions a year. And it will be his downfall.[/quote] No, you can not do whatever you want even if it is a private entity "According to a source, that means Goodell will have trouble making a suspension stick. Worse, it could put the union in the position of having to fight the league on Vick's behalf, a potential public relations nightmare. " BINGO[/quote] Why would the NFLPA fight on Vick's behalf when they were in on the coversation as to what Vick's intial punishment would be? The NFLPA bought off on the training camp suspension and the Commissioner reserves the right to tack on any length of time to any of the NFL team-imposed suspensions. Again, let's not forget that Michael Vick has been indicted on four different Federal charges by a grand jury. Not accussed by municipal police or involved in an incident at a strip club or something real minor like Ced Griffin's pants sag saga. The only saving grace Vick has in the NFL's case is Roger Goddell wants to review the 18-page indictment before he proceeds with any kind of punishment, from the Falcons or his office.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/27/2007 4:57:38 AM   
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[quote="Ian Joseph"] Unless he flips on one of the other guys and works out some kind of deal to avoid significant jail time (becuz he's goin for at least a few months, if not a year or two), he's a done deal. [/quote] Georgia teen gets 10 years for oral sex vs "Micheal Vick getting at least a few months, if not a year or two" Not a fan of the system.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/27/2007 4:58:46 AM   
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[quote="Todd Mallett"][quote="Ian Joseph"] Unless he flips on one of the other guys and works out some kind of deal to avoid significant jail time (becuz he's goin for at least a few months, if not a year or two), he's a done deal. [/quote] Georgia teen gets 10 years for oral sex vs "Micheal Vick getting at least a few months, if not a year or two" Not a fan of the system.[/quote] Well, at least the case is in Virginia. That Georgia teen case was/is a pitiful show of "justice."
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/27/2007 5:12:16 AM   
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[quote="Ian Joseph"][quote="John Childress"][quote="Ian Joseph"][quote="John Childress"]I am not a Vick fan and have never liked him. But you can't suspend the man before the trial - as much as it pains people. This is setting a dangerous precedent and is clearly against NFL policy. I think Vick's lawyers will burn the NFL on this one.[/quote] Honestly, Roger Goddell can do whatever he wants. The NFL is a private entity and becuz the NFLPA kind of gave him the lee-way to kind-of play judge, jury and executioner with Pacman Jones, it filters down to Michael Vick. People forget this is not the first incident of questionable conduct perpretrated by Vick. He got stopped in the airport with what was then thought to be an illegal substance (seems like that story kind of just went away, so who knows what really happened there), one of his cars was stopped with two idiots inside drunk and in the possession of drugs, not to mention he told Goddell a bold-faced lie to his face when asked about the dog issue when it first surfaced. I did not know this, but prior to all of that, Vick was in an airport with a couple of people and two of those folks stole a watch. Bottom line, this guy is a bad apple and surrounds himself with similar characters. And while he may not party and shoot up strip joints like rockstar Pacman Jones, his conduct is nontheless terrible. Banning him from training camp was a small hit and is not the same thing as a season suspension. But even if it was, how was that not the right thing to do? Pacman Jones was suspended for an entire season without having gone to trial and the NFLPA bought off on that. Pacman was not even indicted by a Federal Grand Jury. So how is this any different? Michael Vick is a dumbass that did not know how to not act like a small time hood, fighting dogs for thousands of dollars after he started making millions a year. And it will be his downfall.[/quote] No, you can not do whatever you want even if it is a private entity "According to a source, that means Goodell will have trouble making a suspension stick. Worse, it could put the union in the position of having to fight the league on Vick's behalf, a potential public relations nightmare. " BINGO[/quote] Why would the NFLPA fight on Vick's behalf when they were in on the coversation as to what Vick's intial punishment would be? The NFLPA bought off on the training camp suspension and the Commissioner reserves the right to tack on any length of time to any of the NFL team-imposed suspensions. Again, let's not forget that Michael Vick has been indicted on four different Federal charges by a grand jury. Not accussed by municipal police or involved in an incident at a strip club or something real minor like Ced Griffin's pants sag saga. The only saving grace Vick has in the NFL's case is Roger Goddell wants to review the 18-page indictment before he proceeds with any kind of punishment, from the Falcons or his office.[/quote] None of that matters The NFL has established precedent in this area and they can't change that for Vick. Whether you think he is guilty or not if they try and take away his pay before a conviction they will lose
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/27/2007 5:15:00 AM   
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We'll see.
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