[quote="John Childress"][quote="Ian Joseph"][quote="John Childress"][quote="Ian Joseph"][quote="John Childress"]I am not a Vick fan and have never liked him. But you can't suspend the man before the trial - as much as it pains people. This is setting a dangerous precedent and is clearly against NFL policy. I think Vick's lawyers will burn the NFL on this one.[/quote] Honestly, Roger Goddell can do whatever he wants. The NFL is a private entity and becuz the NFLPA kind of gave him the lee-way to kind-of play judge, jury and executioner with Pacman Jones, it filters down to Michael Vick. People forget this is not the first incident of questionable conduct perpretrated by Vick. He got stopped in the airport with what was then thought to be an illegal substance (seems like that story kind of just went away, so who knows what really happened there), one of his cars was stopped with two idiots inside drunk and in the possession of drugs, not to mention he told Goddell a bold-faced lie to his face when asked about the dog issue when it first surfaced. I did not know this, but prior to all of that, Vick was in an airport with a couple of people and two of those folks stole a watch. Bottom line, this guy is a bad apple and surrounds himself with similar characters. And while he may not party and shoot up strip joints like rockstar Pacman Jones, his conduct is nontheless terrible. Banning him from training camp was a small hit and is not the same thing as a season suspension. But even if it was, how was that not the right thing to do? Pacman Jones was suspended for an entire season without having gone to trial and the NFLPA bought off on that. Pacman was not even indicted by a Federal Grand Jury. So how is this any different? Michael Vick is a dumbass that did not know how to not act like a small time hood, fighting dogs for thousands of dollars after he started making millions a year. And it will be his downfall.[/quote] No, you can not do whatever you want even if it is a private entity "According to a source, that means Goodell will have trouble making a suspension stick. Worse, it could put the union in the position of having to fight the league on Vick's behalf, a potential public relations nightmare. " BINGO[/quote] Why would the NFLPA fight on Vick's behalf when they were in on the coversation as to what Vick's intial punishment would be? The NFLPA bought off on the training camp suspension and the Commissioner reserves the right to tack on any length of time to any of the NFL team-imposed suspensions. Again, let's not forget that Michael Vick has been indicted on four different Federal charges by a grand jury. Not accussed by municipal police or involved in an incident at a strip club or something real minor like Ced Griffin's pants sag saga. The only saving grace Vick has in the NFL's case is Roger Goddell wants to review the 18-page indictment before he proceeds with any kind of punishment, from the Falcons or his office.[/quote] None of that matters The NFL has established precedent in this area and they can't change that for Vick. Whether you think he is guilty or not if they try and take away his pay before a conviction they will lose[/quote] Explain Pacman.