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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/31/2007 5:37:03 AM   
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[quote="Duane Sampson"]-- Vick Co-Defendant Pleads Guilty to Dogfighting Conspiracy -- Mon Jul 30, 2007 The Virginian-Pilot reports a co-defendant told federal prosecutors that Atlanta Falcons QB Michael Vick "almost exclusively funded" a dogfighting operation known as Bad Newz Kennels and provided the money to bet on matches, according to a document released today in conjunction with the man’s guilty plea in U.S. District Court. Tony Taylor of Hampton formally accepted a plea deal this morning to the charge that he conspired with Vick, Purnell Peace and Quanis Phillips to create and run a dogfighting venture in 2001. Taylor said he left the operation in September 2004 "following a disagreement with Phillips and others," according to the statement of facts that was filed with his guilty plea today. Taylor told U.S. District Judge Henry Hudson he voluntarily confessed to committing the crime in partnership with Peace, Phillips and Vick. He has agreed to cooperate with prosecutors in the cases against Vick and the other defendants. Taylor faces a maximum term of five years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000. His plea agreement did not promise him any reduction in that sentence. [/quote] I suspect the the Feds convinced Taylor that Vick isn't going to be making more than con wages over the next few years.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 7/31/2007 3:35:13 PM   
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-- NFL Bans Deion Sanders from Writing on Dogfighting -- Tue Jul 31, 2007 The Florida Times-Union reports the NFL has banned former CB Deion Sanders from writing another column dealing dealing with dogfighting and Falcons QB Michael Vick's alleged involvement in the activity. Sanders, who is employed by the NFL Network wrote a column in the Fort Myers News-Press which, in part, stated: "I believe Michael Vick had a passion for dogfighting. I know many athletes who share his passion." The NFL is concerned that there is a perception that more NFL players could be involved in dogfighting.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 8/2/2007 3:47:59 PM   
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RE:Mike Vick case - 8/3/2007 3:17:22 AM   
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Vick's Case Is Bigger Than Anything We've Ever Seen To Date Link Here This case is as serious as anything we have seen in a long time. It goes beyond anything we know of from the O.J. Simpson case or the Kobe Bryant case of recent memory. Even the Ray Lewis case of a few years ago pales in comparison. Glad I'm not alone seeing it this way.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 8/3/2007 1:50:08 PM   
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Oct. 1 a pivotal date for Vick? By Mark Bradley | Thursday, August 2, 2007, 09:11 AM The Atlanta Journal-Constitution By now it’s pretty much assumed Michael Vick won’t play this season. Procedurally, however, something else needs to happen before we can say as much with absolute certainty. Contrary to popular belief, Vick hasn’t yet been suspended by either the NFL or the Falcons. He has been excused from training camp with pay by commissioner Roger Goodell pending the league’s own investigation. It seems a reasonable assumption that the NFL will find cause to suspend him for the season. But what if it doesn’t? According to the NFL’s collective bargaining agreement, the maximum a team (as opposed to the league, which has broader powers) can suspend a player is four regular-season games. The Falcons were prepared to do that — they’d already drafted the letter — when Goodell stepped in. So let’s say, at the end of camp, the commish declares Vick is eligible to return to the Falcons, who promptly suspend him for those four games. The Falcons’ fourth game will be played on Sept. 30. So what would happen on Oct. 1? Either Vick rejoins the team, or the Falcons cut him. (Arthur Blank has already ruled out the much-discussed paid leave of absence.) We’ve all been focusing on Nov. 26, the day Vick’s trial is scheduled to begin in Richmond, but the date of Monday, Oct. 1, could be just as intriguing. And what’s the chance Vick will do as co-defendant Tony Taylor has done and cop a plea? Not likely. Not if he wants to play in the NFL again anytime soon. The league, see, would surely treat a guilty plea, even to a lesser charge, as an admission of guilt, duh, and could well move to dock Vick for all of the 2008 season, too. Being rich and famous and able to afford the best lawyers, Vick will probably be better served taking his chances in front of a jury. As grim as the charges seem today, it takes only the slightest kernel of reasonable doubt in the minds of one or two jurors to override a mountain of evidence. But you knew that already.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 8/6/2007 2:28:43 AM   
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"This case is as serious as anything we have seen in a long time. It goes beyond anything we know of from the O.J. Simpson case or the Kobe Bryant case of recent memory. Even the Ray Lewis case of a few years ago pales in comparison." Was this written by a dog? Seriously - talk about going overboard. If I had to choose between rape, double murder, and cruelty to animals.... Well, do you really need to answer that one?
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RE:Mike Vick case - 8/6/2007 2:30:07 AM   
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I couldn't care less about Vick or this trial. 50 human beings were killed this weekend in the big cities across the country. The killing of dogs is bad but doesn't even rate a blip on the Richter scale.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 8/6/2007 3:01:38 AM   
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So what was accomplished with your 2 posts John? Showing worse things happen? Good job. It's a defense mechanism IMO. Don't look here, look here. Each tragedy deserves empathy. Each heinous crime deserves swift justice. This is why things continue to take forever to change. This deserves to be looked at and so do the things you care about but you seem willing to toss this aside because the things you care about rank higher on your priority list. It doesn't matter if this is the worst thing one can think of or the 100th worst thing, you shouldn't just push it aside and say you couldn't care less.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 8/6/2007 6:33:33 AM   
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[quote="Todd Mallett"]Vick's Case Is Bigger Than Anything We've Ever Seen To Date Link Here This case is as serious as anything we have seen in a long time. It goes beyond anything we know of from the O.J. Simpson case or the Kobe Bryant case of recent memory. Even the Ray Lewis case of a few years ago pales in comparison. Glad I'm not alone seeing it this way.[/quote] No way this case is as serious as everything mentioned above, with the possible exception of Kobe Bryant. It only seems that way becuz it's fresh on our minds and currently in our faces. For someone to even suggest that is trying to make the case out to be more than it is. Michael Vick is not going down for fighting dogs. He is probably not going down for killing dogs that do not win fights. He's going down for providing financial support in setting up a gambling enterprise for the premise of fighting dogs for thousands of dollars. The only issue here is why the hell would a multi millionaire quarterback, a guy that makes a million dollars a pass, since he does not throw, would be willing to put his neck on the line for doing all of this for what he should consider to be chump change. Instead of comparing this case to all of those others, that should be the question being asked or the topic being discussed.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 8/6/2007 6:48:01 AM   
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[quote="Ian Joseph"][quote="Todd Mallett"]Vick's Case Is Bigger Than Anything We've Ever Seen To Date Michael Vick is not going down for fighting dogs. He is probably not going down for killing dogs that do not win fights. He's going down for providing financial support in setting up a gambling enterprise for the premise of fighting dogs for thousands of dollars. [/quote] In terms of legalities this is true. This has destroyed his public image, such as it may have been. It turns the stomachs of a strong majority of the U.S. public I believe. He is, in the eyes of most, a cruel and sadistic man. Essentially no one who counts will want to have anything to do with him. The Falcons, if they could, would already have dumped him. I believe no other NFL team would sign him. No endorsements, no nothing. I hope he's saved his pennies.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 8/6/2007 8:13:56 PM   
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I really don't understand Todd's hyper sensitivity on the Vick issue. If you do any research into animal cruelty cases and statistics, Vick's only "claim to fame" is just that, His fame. There are a lot worse scumbags and miscreants out there involved in every type of nasty animal abuse you can imagine. Vick only puts a spotlight on it because ha is a household name. Worst disgraceful action ever? not by a long long long shot.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 8/6/2007 9:27:29 PM   
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They should all go down, and go down hard. Vick just happens to be in the cross hairs at this time.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 8/7/2007 1:30:49 AM   
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[quote="Danima l"]I really don't understand Todd's hyper sensitivity on the Vick issue. If you do any research into animal cruelty cases and statistics, Vick's only "claim to fame" is just that, His fame. There are a lot worse scumbags and miscreants out there involved in every type of nasty animal abuse you can imagine. Vick only puts a spotlight on it because ha is a household name. Worst disgraceful action ever? not by a long long long shot.[/quote] What's not to understand? I'm hyper sensitive to animal suffering. It wouldn't be hard for any of us from any town we live in to find animal cruelty cases to post at this forum. Why don't we do that? Out of sight out of mind IMO. It's like that for me even. I know it's out there, I just can't take all the crushing blows to my spirit. Like anyone really wants to talk about random joe blows doing hideous things to animals anyway. Then here's this Vick thing, an in your face, pay attention to me case and sorry to say, once you get to a certain level of animal abuse there's no more apples and oranges debate, it's all really bad, but what I keep hearing again and again is "but this is worse". How far do we have to go? Things are they way they are, you know Vick, I know Vick, everyone knows Vick. And that's why I care about this case. If it wasn't for the exposure even an avid animal lover like me would have likely scoffed at the news of a John Doe case of dog fighting/animal cruelty and moved on to the next piece of news. As much as I want to say that I am a leader in any sense in the fight against animal cruelty, I am not. My dream is to have a farm with lots of land and save as many animals as I can. Up to and including aggressive dog re-habilitation. I respect life and this case does as much for me as any other in providing evidence that we need to take these types of people out of society. If you put a live animal in the micro-wave, if you hang a dog for lack of fighting skills I lump you in with people who are not needed in society. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE??? Hey I'm all for clearing out murderers, rapists and child molesters too. Start handing out more life sentences or death penalties, I won't complain. But I think it would be an injustice to look at any murder/rape/child molestation case and say "but this is worse" I'm just not as sensitive to these things as I am animal suffering. Maybe I'm wired wrong but I am who I am.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 8/7/2007 2:21:08 AM   
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[quote="Todd Mallett"]So what was accomplished with your 2 posts John? Showing worse things happen? Good job. It's a defense mechanism IMO. Don't look here, look here. Each tragedy deserves empathy. Each heinous crime deserves swift justice. This is why things continue to take forever to change. This deserves to be looked at and so do the things you care about but you seem willing to toss this aside because the things you care about rank higher on your priority list. It doesn't matter if this is the worst thing one can think of or the 100th worst thing, you shouldn't just push it aside and say you couldn't care less.[/quote] Let me be more clear There are HUMAN BEINGS being killed right now with their cases unsolved. SCREW THOSE DOGS This is a story that deserves national attention http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/08/06/schoolyard.killings.ap/index.html Enough of some dogs being killed when our young adults are being murdered on the streets. These were 3 young kids on their way to college I couldn't care less about Vick while human beings, people's children, are being murdered.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 8/7/2007 2:56:17 AM   
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[quote="John Childress"][quote="Todd Mallett"]So what was accomplished with your 2 posts John? Showing worse things happen? Good job. It's a defense mechanism IMO. Don't look here, look here. Each tragedy deserves empathy. Each heinous crime deserves swift justice. This is why things continue to take forever to change. This deserves to be looked at and so do the things you care about but you seem willing to toss this aside because the things you care about rank higher on your priority list. It doesn't matter if this is the worst thing one can think of or the 100th worst thing, you shouldn't just push it aside and say you couldn't care less.[/quote] Let me be more clear There are HUMAN BEINGS being killed right now with their cases unsolved. SCREW THOSE DOGS This is a story that deserves national attention http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/08/06/schoolyard.killings.ap/index.html Enough of some dogs being killed when our young adults are being murdered on the streets. These were 3 young kids on their way to college I couldn't care less about Vick while human beings, people's children, are being murdered.[/quote] Weak. If I were you I'd: 1) Do whatever I could to promote feeding/educating/mentoring troubled youth. There's enough recourses to go around to make a difference. There's no excuse for things to be the way they are. 2) Start holding children responsible for their actions as kids. Quit looking the other way if they torture animals or go to dog fights, whatever. Maybe they won't grow up to be thugs that go around shooting people. 3) Apologize for your screw the dog’s remark. It was insensitive and shameful.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 8/7/2007 6:31:10 AM   
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[quote="John Childress"][quote="Todd Mallett"]So what was accomplished with your 2 posts John? Showing worse things happen? Good job. It's a defense mechanism IMO. Don't look here, look here. Each tragedy deserves empathy. Each heinous crime deserves swift justice. This is why things continue to take forever to change. This deserves to be looked at and so do the things you care about but you seem willing to toss this aside because the things you care about rank higher on your priority list. It doesn't matter if this is the worst thing one can think of or the 100th worst thing, you shouldn't just push it aside and say you couldn't care less.[/quote] Let me be more clear There are HUMAN BEINGS being killed right now with their cases unsolved. SCREW THOSE DOGS This is a story that deserves national attention http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/08/06/schoolyard.killings.ap/index.html Enough of some dogs being killed when our young adults are being murdered on the streets. These were 3 young kids on their way to college I couldn't care less about Vick while human beings, people's children, are being murdered.[/quote] Everybody has their own thing. Lot's of folks would look at you and I, and wonder how we can spend the time we do enjoying the game of football, while we could be spending that time easing others suffering, etc.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 8/7/2007 6:35:16 AM   
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Todd.. Did not realize how much I missed you until tonight. Someone invite Max so we can show him to properly get banned. Well, almost get banned. :twisted:
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RE:Mike Vick case - 8/7/2007 7:51:34 AM   
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[quote="Ian Joseph"]Todd.. Did not realize how much I missed you until tonight. Someone invite Max so we can show him to properly get banned. Well, almost get banned. :twisted:[/quote] Aaaah. :oops: It's good to be able to post with y'all again. Can't post as much as the old days, my new employer actually expects me to perform work. :shock: :shrug: ;)
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RE:Mike Vick case - 8/9/2007 1:35:24 AM   
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[quote="thebigo"][quote="John Childress"][quote="Todd Mallett"]So what was accomplished with your 2 posts John? Showing worse things happen? Good job. It's a defense mechanism IMO. Don't look here, look here. Each tragedy deserves empathy. Each heinous crime deserves swift justice. This is why things continue to take forever to change. This deserves to be looked at and so do the things you care about but you seem willing to toss this aside because the things you care about rank higher on your priority list. It doesn't matter if this is the worst thing one can think of or the 100th worst thing, you shouldn't just push it aside and say you couldn't care less.[/quote] Let me be more clear There are HUMAN BEINGS being killed right now with their cases unsolved. SCREW THOSE DOGS This is a story that deserves national attention http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/08/06/schoolyard.killings.ap/index.html Enough of some dogs being killed when our young adults are being murdered on the streets. These were 3 young kids on their way to college I couldn't care less about Vick while human beings, people's children, are being murdered.[/quote] Everybody has their own thing. Lot's of folks would look at you and I, and wonder how we can spend the time we do enjoying the game of football, while we could be spending that time easing others suffering, etc.[/quote] Bad anology The national press isn't following our every post wondering why aren't saving lives. And I actually do that for a living so it is not valid here anyway. Again, enough of the dogs - we have real problems in this country. Part of the reason why this country is in bad shape is this National Enquirer mentality. Look at how many elections are won or lost based on non-issues like abortion (which the person has no control over anyway) or whether or not they had an affair 20 years ago.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 8/9/2007 3:05:37 PM   
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[quote="John Childress"][quote="thebigo"][quote="John Childress"][quote="Todd Mallett"]So what was accomplished with your 2 posts John? Showing worse things happen? Good job. It's a defense mechanism IMO. Don't look here, look here. Each tragedy deserves empathy. Each heinous crime deserves swift justice. This is why things continue to take forever to change. This deserves to be looked at and so do the things you care about but you seem willing to toss this aside because the things you care about rank higher on your priority list. It doesn't matter if this is the worst thing one can think of or the 100th worst thing, you shouldn't just push it aside and say you couldn't care less.[/quote] Let me be more clear There are HUMAN BEINGS being killed right now with their cases unsolved. SCREW THOSE DOGS This is a story that deserves national attention http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/08/06/schoolyard.killings.ap/index.html Enough of some dogs being killed when our young adults are being murdered on the streets. These were 3 young kids on their way to college I couldn't care less about Vick while human beings, people's children, are being murdered.[/quote] Everybody has their own thing. Lot's of folks would look at you and I, and wonder how we can spend the time we do enjoying the game of football, while we could be spending that time easing others suffering, etc.[/quote] Bad anology The national press isn't following our every post wondering why aren't saving lives. And I actually do that for a living so it is not valid here anyway. Again, enough of the dogs - we have real problems in this country. Part of the reason why this country is in bad shape is this National Enquirer mentality. Look at how many elections are won or lost based on non-issues like abortion (which the person has no control over anyway) or whether or not they had an affair 20 years ago.[/quote] :soapbox: :rant: :club: :argue: :angry: I have to agree with JC. The Vick crap is detestable but it is not uncommon nor isolated. Animals are abused, abandoned and die with sickening regularity. The number of animals euthanized at human societies yearly numbers in the tens or hundreds of thousands. They are ANIMALS. NOT PEOPLE, few Enough people care about Animal abuse because, on a persons list of priorities that cause outrage, speaking for myself, Child abuse, murder, rape, bigotry, discrimination, partisan politics, war, disease, pollution and a WHOLE HOST of other issues Come in ahead of the cruel fate of over bred and unwanted animals in a society that considers disposable items a convenience. All my pets are adoptee's from animal shelters. If you really care, narc off the puppy mills and adopt a few forlorn, abandoned animals from a local shelter. http://www.americanhumane.org/site/PageServer?pagename=nr_fact_sheets_animal_euthanasia Of the 1,000 shelters that replied to the National Council's survey, 4.3 million animals were handled. In 1997 roughly 64% of the total number of animals that entered shelters were euthanized -- approximately 2.7 million animals in just these 1,000 shelters.These animals may have been put down due to overcrowding, but may have been sick, aggressive, injured, or suffered something else. 56% of dogs and 71% of cats that enter animal shelters are euthanized. More cats are euthanized than dogs because they are more likely to enter a shelter without any owner identification. If you see a SCARRED UP PIT BULL BEING WALKED OR ON A CHAIN IN SOME BACK YARD, make the call> dON'T JUST "TISK. TISK, AND WALK ON BY LOOKING THE OTHER WAY. RANT OVER
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RE:Mike Vick case - 8/9/2007 3:18:19 PM   
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I don't think it's unreasonable to be outraged about the Michael Vick case. If we have to wait for all of the ills directed toward humans to be solved before we can turn our attention toward animals, the beasts are doomed. The truth is, if we didn't have people in this world who adopt a passion for one cause or another, nothing would get done. If the people who fight so hard to clean up the rivers had to wait until murder is a thing of the past, our rivers would be stinking cesspools. And thank goodness there are those driven to raise money for a cure for multiple sclerosis even though cancer hasn't been cured. In other words, it's possible to be outraged about murders AND about mistreatment of animals. We can work on more than one crappy segment of society at a time, and thank goodness we do.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 8/9/2007 6:39:44 PM   
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Thank you for that post Lynn. I knew you had your shit together.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 8/11/2007 2:05:31 PM   
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The Vick case bothers me because of two things (besides the obvious cruelty factor). First, I don't think he gives a damn about what he did. Second, I think he'd do it again.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 8/11/2007 2:49:38 PM   
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I've never understood the argument that people shouldn't feel empathy or concern for animals or the environment as long as people are hurting. I think those things are balled up together -- respect for other people and respect for animals. I'm actually heartened to see that far more people side with the puppies than the millionaire superstar. Gives me hope for mankind.
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RE:Mike Vick case - 8/14/2007 3:46:21 AM   
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So there is exactly one defendant in the Michael Vick case. Vick himself. All the other co-defendants are now pleading guilty and are willing to testify against him. In real life we should all expect the onus to be on someone in this deep to go above and beyond proving their innocence. IE his ass should be testifying. That also means no pro Vick support rallies. Really, if you see these people (I won't) point out to them how ridiculous they are for me. Odds are Vick is guilty. 99.999999999% Last two Vick co-defendants set to accept plea deals http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cfm?story=130223&ran=6105
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