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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

So the qb from VaTech blows up a lb on a run, its clean. 2 plays later he gets legally crushed by a different lb, on a very legal hit and its "uneccesary roughness"?

Link?

What's this about?

The 15 yard unsportsmanlike was deserved imo. He knew damn well that ball was out a step and a half before he knocked the shit out of him. He could of easily pulled up. Obviously the message the world is trying to send isn't getting through. You can't tell me the hit was necessary. His sole intent was to punish. Hey, I don't like some of the rules and how they're enforced as much as the next guy but I get the Fn message. He didn't!

Link? Tune into Sports Center you'll see it

To be honest, i didn't think it was late and neither did the commentators. I don't know what they expect a guy running full speed to do.

Everybody will have to be their own judge of whether they think it was a good hit or not. I'm going to try and not pass judgement (except the commentators -- they sucked big time, imo; with regards to their commentary regarding the hit)

I thought about it later it I think it's the first time I've truly got pissed off at a hit in football - the machine is working on me regarding safer play I guess. That was a brutal hit and I'm not buying for a second that he couldn't stop because he was going full speed. He had at least a step and a half and there was no attempt to slow down. None! We have a LB playing D1 football for UCLA; he has the athletic ability to attempt to avoid that type of hit. No offense JJ but I'm not buying he full speed what's he supposed to do argument. For starters he can demonstrate an effort -- there was plenty of time. If it was his mother throwing the ball ......

Hey, I know it's a tough game blah blah. I'm not even exactly sure why it pissed me off, yet. I suspect it may have something to do with having a boy play high school football and I don't want him to receive any unnecessary hits especially like that one. Maybe it's the education I've (we) received on concussions over the last couple years. I don't know. I do know he was hell bent on sticking him as hard as he could when he could of been backing off. And right now I just don't feel good about that kind of mentality.

end of rant

ps - just remembered the hit on the punter a couple of weeks back. Didn't like it. I sense a change going on

Reading the book League of Denial, I really start to feel bad for enjoying football. It's kind of sick what happens to these guys if you actually pay attention.

I'm experiencing the same dissonance, even before seeing the Frontline episode based in part on the book. I just love watching football, but between the head injuries and the commercialism/stadium fraud, it gets harder every week to keep my denial intact. I stopped watching boxing years ago after watch a guy's head bounce on the canvas and seeing Ali and others post-career, but I never had any attachment to boxing.

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I see your guys' points.

But, these guys choose to play the game. I would bet each and everyone of them got a free education to get whatever degree they want.

Are they exploited to a certain extent? Yes.

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ORIGINAL: Prescott

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

I see your guys' points.

But, these guys choose to play the game. I would bet each and everyone of them got a free education to get whatever degree they want.

Are they exploited to a certain extent? Yes.

Their degrees are basically useless. Seriously, watch the episode or especially read the book. It's rewritting history to say they knew what they were getting into. They didn't, and for a while the NFL didn't either. Once they did, they did everything they could to hide/deny it for as long as possible. It's really quite breathtaking, and once you know about it, the 'they knew about it' excuse, which I bought into for a time, rings very hollow.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Prescott

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

I see your guys' points.

But, these guys choose to play the game. I would bet each and everyone of them got a free education to get whatever degree they want.

Are they exploited to a certain extent? Yes.

Their degrees are basically useless. Seriously, watch the episode or especially read the book. It's rewritting history to say they knew what they were getting into. They didn't, and for a while the NFL didn't either. Once they did, they did everything they could to hide/deny it for as long as possible. It's really quite breathtaking, and once you know about it, the 'they knew about it' excuse, which I bought into for a time, rings very hollow.

I'm saying that the guys right now know what they are getting into. Not the guys from the past.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Prescott

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

I see your guys' points.

But, these guys choose to play the game. I would bet each and everyone of them got a free education to get whatever degree they want.

Are they exploited to a certain extent? Yes.

Their degrees are basically useless. Seriously, watch the episode or especially read the book. It's rewritting history to say they knew what they were getting into. They didn't, and for a while the NFL didn't either. Once they did, they did everything they could to hide/deny it for as long as possible. It's really quite breathtaking, and once you know about it, the 'they knew about it' excuse, which I bought into for a time, rings very hollow.

I'm saying that the guys right now know what they are getting into. Not the guys from the past.

You mean the 14 year old playing high school ball now knows that every NFL brain they've examined has chronic traumatic encephalopathy? That parents signing up their kids for football are practically ensuring they will have brain damage?

I think the NFL has done a pretty good job mitigating and obfuscating this information. I think most people think there some 'risk' involved in playing football, meaning they think only a few people are at risk.

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Unless you've been hiding in a cave, you know about the risks.

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Unless you've been hiding in a cave, you know about the risks.

I doubt very much that many people know the actual risks. There has been a lot of talk about it, but honestly most of the public doesn't care because they want to enjoy football, and the NFL has spent billions hiding and twisting the truth about the risks.

Have you read the book or watched the documentary?

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But, there are enough other sources out there that warn people of the risks.

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But, there are enough other sources out there that warn people of the risks.

Almost none, in fact. Almost every reputable source that has tried to talk about this over the years has been discredited (attempted) and attacked by the NFL. The documentary itself was balckballed from ESPN because of the NFL's money. The fact is, your average NFL fan doesn't read scientific journals and so don't have really any clue as to the real risks. People have an idea of the 'risk' that the NFL wants them to have, and it's much less than the actual risk.

I would feel incredibly irresponsible letting my child play football, and I wouldn't have said that 5 years ago, before I made an effort to get informed. I had the same vague 'risk' idea that most people do, kind of like letting my teenager drive a car. Sure, there's a risk they might get in an accident, but of course they should drive. In reality, the risk is much more like telling them to crash their car into a brick wall.

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But, there are enough other sources out there that warn people of the risks.

Almost none, in fact. Almost every reputable source that has tried to talk about this over the years has been discredited (attempted) and attacked by the NFL. The documentary itself was balckballed from ESPN because of the NFL's money. The fact is, your average NFL fan doesn't read scientific journals and so don't have really any clue as to the real risks. People have an idea of the 'risk' that the NFL wants them to have, and it's much less than the actual risk.

I would feel incredibly irresponsible letting my child play football, and I wouldn't have said that 5 years ago, before I made an effort to get informed. I had the same vague 'risk' idea that most people do, kind of like letting my teenager drive a car. Sure, there's a risk they might get in an accident, but of course they should drive. In reality, the risk is much more like telling them to crash their car into a brick wall.

I googled concussions and head injuries in football and got 366,000 links.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

You guys, even though you aren't trying to, are making my original point. I've not seen the research or read the book ect... But if what you are saying is true (and i have no reason to believe it's not) why is it ok for a LB to get laid out by a QB but the reverse is 15 yards?

That's all i was going for. The logic is absurd to me.

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ORIGINAL: 6iron

what a beauty.

hardly

Chick is average at best

http://espnmediazone.com/us/files/2011/07/Ponder-e1363208874532.jpg

Eye roll for taste?

I happen to agree with JC.

Average at best. Come on now.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

You guys, even though you aren't trying to, are making my original point. I've not seen the research or read the book ect... But if what you are saying is true (and i have no reason to believe it's not) why is it ok for a LB to get laid out by a QB but the reverse is 15 yards?

That's all i was going for. The logic is absurd to me.

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ORIGINAL: 6iron

what a beauty.

hardly

Chick is average at best

http://espnmediazone.com/us/files/2011/07/Ponder-e1363208874532.jpg

Eye roll for taste?

I happen to agree with JC.

Average at best. Come on now.

That's just silly. That means if you line up 10 women of the same age, 4-5 will be more attractive, 4-5 will be less attractive. Just silly. Add on that she is very sports/football minded, most men's dream. And obviously intelligent.

Please.

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ORIGINAL: Prescott

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Unless you've been hiding in a cave, you know about the risks.

I doubt very much that many people know the actual risks. There has been a lot of talk about it, but honestly most of the public doesn't care because they want to enjoy football, and the NFL has spent billions hiding and twisting the truth about the risks.

Have you read the book or watched the documentary?

I will agree with you that the NFL is saying it can be minimized with better technique.

But, there are enough other sources out there that warn people of the risks.

I will try to get the book and read it though.

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But, there are enough other sources out there that warn people of the risks.

Almost none, in fact. Almost every reputable source that has tried to talk about this over the years has been discredited (attempted) and attacked by the NFL. The documentary itself was balckballed from ESPN because of the NFL's money. The fact is, your average NFL fan doesn't read scientific journals and so don't have really any clue as to the real risks. People have an idea of the 'risk' that the NFL wants them to have, and it's much less than the actual risk.

I would feel incredibly irresponsible letting my child play football, and I wouldn't have said that 5 years ago, before I made an effort to get informed. I had the same vague 'risk' idea that most people do, kind of like letting my teenager drive a car. Sure, there's a risk they might get in an accident, but of course they should drive. In reality, the risk is much more like telling them to crash their car into a brick wall.

I googled concussions and head injuries in football and got 366,000 links.

?huh? I googled fairies and witches, and 5,150,000 links

Look, since you say that everyone knows what the risks are, can you give just a quick, basic overview of those risks, without looking them up? Since it's common knowledge and everyone is aware of them?

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

I'm going to send the pictures of several posters here to Samantha Ponder to give her a chance to rate them. I'm guessing she will have the tact not to give her real opinion.

Really guys - you're making yourselves look like idiots.

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I'm going to send the pictures of several posters here to Samantha Ponder to give her a chance to rate them. I'm guessing she will have the tact not to give her real opinion.

Really guys - you're making yourselves look like idiots.

I was going to say that John Childress and Todd M should post pictures of their wives/girlfriends, sister and mothers, and we could see what they really think of them.

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ORIGINAL: 6iron

what a beauty.

hardly

Chick is average at best

http://espnmediazone.com/us/files/2011/07/Ponder-e1363208874532.jpg

Eye roll for taste?

I happen to agree with JC.

Average at best. Come on now.

That's just silly. That means if you line up 10 women of the same age, 4-5 will be more attractive, 4-5 will be less attractive. Just silly. Add on that she is very sports/football minded, most men's dream. And obviously intelligent.

Please.

How about 10 women her age in show business?

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ORIGINAL: Prescott

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Prescott

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But, there are enough other sources out there that warn people of the risks.

Almost none, in fact. Almost every reputable source that has tried to talk about this over the years has been discredited (attempted) and attacked by the NFL. The documentary itself was balckballed from ESPN because of the NFL's money. The fact is, your average NFL fan doesn't read scientific journals and so don't have really any clue as to the real risks. People have an idea of the 'risk' that the NFL wants them to have, and it's much less than the actual risk.

I would feel incredibly irresponsible letting my child play football, and I wouldn't have said that 5 years ago, before I made an effort to get informed. I had the same vague 'risk' idea that most people do, kind of like letting my teenager drive a car. Sure, there's a risk they might get in an accident, but of course they should drive. In reality, the risk is much more like telling them to crash their car into a brick wall.

I googled concussions and head injuries in football and got 366,000 links.

?huh? I googled fairies and witches, and 5,150,000 links

Look, since you say that everyone knows what the risks are, can you give just a quick, basic overview of those risks, without looking them up? Since it's common knowledge and everyone is aware of them?

Without looking anything up, I would say headaches, memory loss and possibly dementia.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

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ORIGINAL: 6iron

what a beauty.

hardly

Chick is average at best

http://espnmediazone.com/us/files/2011/07/Ponder-e1363208874532.jpg

Eye roll for taste?

I happen to agree with JC.

Average at best. Come on now.

That's just silly. That means if you line up 10 women of the same age, 4-5 will be more attractive, 4-5 will be less attractive. Just silly. Add on that she is very sports/football minded, most men's dream. And obviously intelligent.

Please.

How about 10 women her age in show business?

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Prescott

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Unless you've been hiding in a cave, you know about the risks.

I doubt very much that many people know the actual risks. There has been a lot of talk about it, but honestly most of the public doesn't care because they want to enjoy football, and the NFL has spent billions hiding and twisting the truth about the risks.

Have you read the book or watched the documentary?

I will agree with you that the NFL is saying it can be minimized with better technique.

But, there are enough other sources out there that warn people of the risks.

I will try to get the book and read it though.

Mark, you can watch the doc here:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/league-of-denial/

It's hard to recommend the book, because I don't know how a person can read it and still remain the same kind of fan, but it's definitely an eye opener.